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Paper_Okami posted...

neither am I but how does that matter if you are mentioning things that happened long before that?

because those other things ive read about

Paper_Okami posted...

yeah mean like the French and American revolutions?

Are you okay with those?

American revolution? hell yeah. completely different set of circumstances. they were fighting for independence from an invading force that wanted taxation without representation.

commies rising up and killing innocent people to take their earned wealth and to institute Marx's envisioned dictatorship (he literally called for a proletarian dictatorship, using those words) is completely vile.
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Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Mist_Turnips posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

So when are TC and proudclad going fuck each other?

Lord knows they ain't fucking a women, so they might as well mutually destroy each other's v cards.

have you ever seen an attractive commie?

i've seen plenty of attractive women at these meetings i go to.

notice how you said you saw them but didnt say that you ever porked any

TC unattractive / 10, confirmed :P

I bet you they'd slobber all over my capital
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Paper_Okami posted...

Anti-245 posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

nd they were following the principles left behind by Marx, Engels, etc

they were not

No Gulags are not okay and they are not okay in Marx's book either.

I don't even consider myself a follower of Marx, more a follow of this
guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin

What do you think of balkunin?

haven't read him yet

You should. He has some good foresights on future leftism.
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based on the half of this exchange that I can see, I'm getting a good kick out of it
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Mist_Turnips posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

So when are TC and proudclad going fuck each other?

Lord knows they ain't fucking a women, so they might as well mutually destroy each other's v cards.

have you ever seen an attractive commie?

i've seen plenty of attractive women at these meetings i go to.

notice how you said you saw them but didnt say that you ever porked any

TC unattractive / 10, confirmed :P

I bet you they'd slobber all over my capital

those meetings aren't' exactly an appropriate place to pick up women

and they would laugh in your face
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

neither am I but how does that matter if you are mentioning things that happened long before that?

because those other things ive read about

Paper_Okami posted...

yeah mean like the French and American revolutions?

Are you okay with those?

American revolution? hell yeah. completely different set of circumstances. they were fighting for independence from an invading force that wanted taxation without representation.

commies rising up and killing innocent people to take their earned wealth and to institute Marx's envisioned dictatorship (he literally called for a proletarian dictatorship, using those words) is completely vile.

Americans were fighting for the rights to native land and perpetual slavery of African people. This just confirms it for me.
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Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

violent revolution bullshit

yeah mean like the French and American revolutions?

Are you okay with those?

there was literally a topic a while back where people were lamenting the deaths of the french aristocracy. shit was wild
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averagejoel posted...

based on the half of this exchange that I can see, I'm getting a good kick out of it

The guy is mixing Maoism and MLism with orthodox Marxism then lays on some American revisionist history and expects to be taken seriously.
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Paper_Okami posted...

What is your thought on the violent oppression of working attempting to unionize?

violence is not ok

Paper_Okami posted...

Are you okay with people being fired for any reason at all?

ANY reason, IE CEO has a bad mood and wants to vent? no. shitty performance or being unpleasant to work with? yes

Paper_Okami posted...

Do you think that it's okay for employers to demand overtime?

if they're going to pay overtime wages and have a plan for reduced hours / free time off once crunch time ends

Paper_Okami posted...

Is it okay for a CEO to make 350 times more than their lowest paid worker?

absolutely

Paper_Okami posted...

Is it okay for people to get rich by exploited others I.E wallstreet exploiting financial crises?

depends on how you define exploiting here

if you mean someone buying a distressed property at the market low and then remodeling it and selling it for 10x the amount at a market high, that's fair

if you mean someone manufacturing an economic collapse so they could profit from toxic assets getting dumoed and taking out everyone else, then that is wrong
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Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Mist_Turnips posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

So when are TC and proudclad going fuck each other?

Lord knows they ain't fucking a women, so they might as well mutually destroy each other's v cards.

have you ever seen an attractive commie?

i've seen plenty of attractive women at these meetings i go to.

notice how you said you saw them but didnt say that you ever porked any

TC unattractive / 10, confirmed :P

I bet you they'd slobber all over my capital

those meetings aren't' exactly an appropriate place to pick up women

and they would laugh in your face

is this a fucking church or something

and no, that's nonsense. most women like tall, strong, successful men. even if these women are attending some socialist potluck or w/e
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@Paper_Okami, just leave this guy alone. He has no interest in an honest discussion.
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Yeah it's funny considering i despise Mao and have serious disagreements with MLism
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Anti-245 posted...

averagejoel posted...

based on the half of this exchange that I can see, I'm getting a good kick out of it

The guy is mixing Maoism and MLism with orthodox Marxism then lays on some American revisionist history and expects to be taken seriously.

Okami grilling him, even without quotations, is a beautiful sight
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

and no, that's nonsense. most women like tall, strong, successful men. even if these women are attending some socialist potluck or w/e

lmao that's some MRA shit

there are more types of success than simply how much money you make

Stop expecting every women to like the same thing

And fyi i'm 6'4
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this guy clearly accomplished nothing of being that he is a commie

"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."

Albert Einstein

https://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking-says-we-should-be-more-frightened-of-capitalism-than-robots/
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Paper_Okami posted...

I don't even consider myself a follower of Marx, more a follow of this
guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin

I'll check him out. Seems worth a read. Per the wikipedia link I'm glad he at least dispenses with Marx's unbelievably stupid "surplus value" argument.

What are his thoughts on the role of profit until such a future when money and capital serve no more purpose due to us living in a Star Trek world? Is he against it?
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Paper_Okami posted...

lmao that's some MRA shit

two scoops of french vanilla

Paper_Okami posted...

there are more types of success than simply how much money you make

banana sliced neatly down the middle

Paper_Okami posted...

Stop expecting every women to like the same thing

chocolate sauce and sprinkles

Paper_Okami posted...

And fyi i'm 6'4

and a cherry on top
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

I don't even consider myself a follower of Marx, more a follow of this
guy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Kropotkin

I'll check him out. Seems worth a read. Per the wikipedia link I'm glad he at least dispenses with Marx's unbelievably stupid "surplus value" argument.

What are his thoughts on the role of profit until such a future when money and capital serve no more purpose due to us living in a Star Trek world? Is he against it?

Lol Kropotkin didn't like wage slavery either. He just thought the state protected private property more so than workers' surplus value being extracted as the cause.
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Paper_Okami posted...

Yeah it's funny considering i despise Mao and have serious disagreements with MLism

averagejoel does not. he's a soviet union / mao's china apologist

Paper_Okami posted...

lmao that's some MRA shit

there are more types of success than simply how much money you make

Stop expecting every women to like the same thing

And fyi i'm 6'4

i didnt say every woman. i said most women. at least the ones ive been with and around. and science seems to agree

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2091961?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302732

https://akademiai.com/doi/abs/10.1556/JEP.12.2014.1.1

it's shallow but still true. most women will look for dudes with status / income, or the potential to have those things. and height / strength as physical attributes
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So Proudclad doesn't want to vaccinate children and he's a redpiller type.
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Paper_Okami posted...

this guy clearly accomplished nothing of being that he is a commie

"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."

Albert Einstein

https://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking-says-we-should-be-more-frightened-of-capitalism-than-robots/

appeal to authority. just because einstein produced good work in physics and was known as an authority there does not mean he was good at economics

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.
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And he was also a communist. :P
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Paper_Okami posted...

this guy clearly accomplished nothing of being that he is a commie

"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."

Albert Einstein

https://www.cnet.com/news/stephen-hawking-says-we-should-be-more-frightened-of-capitalism-than-robots/

appeal to authority. just because einstein produced good work in physics and was known as an authority there does not mean he was good at economics

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.

Nonsense, soviet purges in the 20s-30s were well known in the west. They just didn't care because the soviets weren't as big of a threat, so that's historical revisionism.
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Lol at the argument devolving into commies are unattractive nonsense

Props to yall who discuss Socialist theory on CE despite the uphill battle you have with people like Proudclad. Compared to before the 2016 U.S. presidential election, I see a lot more acceptance of socialist ideas on here, which is awesome.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.

When does proudclad think that the Soviet Union was formed?
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did you just cite a book from 1969

was it okay that Milton Friendman met with Pinochet?

Do you like Pinochet?

Is Pinochet your friend?
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A Novel Idea posted...

Lol at the argument devolving into commies are unattractive nonsense

Props to yall who discuss Socialist theory on CE despite the uphill battle you have with people like Proudclad. Compared to before the 2016 U.S. presidential election, I see a lot more acceptance of socialist ideas on here, which is awesome.

Are you blind? I'm literally responding to all of the specific claims he made and that bit about attractiveness was obviously a joke.

But then again you are a socialism apologist so no surprise that you'd deflect this way. How revolting. Fuck socialist ideas.
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Now proudclad has resorted to insulting other people. What a shame.
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Paper_Okami posted...

did you just cite a book from 1969

amongst the other two sources that are from the last few years, yes. the same trend is still visible in 2018. that first source's age isn't in itself some refutation of the source, because afaik it hasn't been disproven
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PleaseClap posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.

When does proudclad think that the Soviet Union was formed?

The Soviet Union had purges beginning with its inception due to unrest(similar conditions were also present after the American Revolution). The west knew about it. In fact some commentators drummed up the red scare in our country to purge people they didn't like. Most of them didn't care at the time though.
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Tmaster148 posted...

Now proudclad has resorted to insulting other people. What a shame.

you say that as though it's a new development
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Futhermore he seems to lack a basic understanding of world history as if the Wes post 1945 was what it was always like.
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You can always count on Proudclad's gimmick. It's like clockwork lmao

averagejoel posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

Now proudclad has resorted to insulting other people. What a shame.

you say that as though it's a new development

Of course not. He gets his account into purgatory shortly after he gets it back. Surprised he hasn't been banned.
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I hope he's never banned, he's too much fun
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Anti-245 posted...

Futhermore he seems to lack a basic understanding of world history as if the Wes post 1945 was what it was always like.

lol try getting him to talk about mining the moon and asteroids
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Anti-245 posted...

PleaseClap posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.

When does proudclad think that the Soviet Union was formed?

The Soviet Union had purges beginning with its inception due to unrest(similar conditions were also present after the American Revolution). The west knew about it. In fact some commentators drummed up the red scare in our country to purge people they didn't like. Most of them didn't care at the time though.

Yes, I know that. My point is, by 1955, the USSR is not some new, fledging country. The great purges and holomdor and whatnot are decades in the past at this point
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Paper_Okami posted...

was it okay that Milton Friendman met with Pinochet?

Do you like Pinochet?

Is Pinochet your friend

I'm not answering any more of your questions. You're just rattling them off without following up to any of the responses, which means you're just relying on volume rather than quality which is boring.
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Paper_Okami posted...

I hope he's never banned, he's too much fun

He'll just hope on his CornBarn alt.
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what questions of yours haven't i answered
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PleaseClap posted...

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PleaseClap posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.

When does proudclad think that the Soviet Union was formed?

The Soviet Union had purges beginning with its inception due to unrest(similar conditions were also present after the American Revolution). The west knew about it. In fact some commentators drummed up the red scare in our country to purge people they didn't like. Most of them didn't care at the time though.

Yes, I know that. My point is, by 1955, the USSR is not some new, fledging country. The great purges and holomdor and whatnot are decades in the past at this point

Yeah, and? Einstein wasn't a Marxist Leninist so what's your point? The west already knew what happened in Russia. It happens in every revolution when a regime takes power. It happened in the United States back the late 18th century too or have you forgotten that as well?
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Paper_Okami posted...

what questions of yours haven't i answered

An example is my response to your really hilarious attempt to quote Einstein. Or those sources I provided wrt what women find attractive. Etc. And then you make passive aggressive posts about how you hope I never get banned because I'm too much fun, in a way where it's like you're talking down to someone you perceive to be on the losing end of some exchange.
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Anti-245 posted...

PleaseClap posted...

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PleaseClap posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.

When does proudclad think that the Soviet Union was formed?

The Soviet Union had purges beginning with its inception due to unrest(similar conditions were also present after the American Revolution). The west knew about it. In fact some commentators drummed up the red scare in our country to purge people they didn't like. Most of them didn't care at the time though.

Yes, I know that. My point is, by 1955, the USSR is not some new, fledging country. The great purges and holomdor and whatnot are decades in the past at this point

Yeah, and? Einstein wasn't a Marxist Leninist so what's your point? The west already knew what happened in Russia. It happens in every revolution when a regime takes power. It happened in the United States back the late 18th century too or have you forgotten that as well?

Whoops that you were the other guy. Disregard this comment.
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PleaseClap posted...

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PleaseClap posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

And note that he died in 1955, well before he could see the horrors of the 20th century Socialist experiments in the Soviet Union, Ukraine, Romania, China, etc.

When does proudclad think that the Soviet Union was formed?

The Soviet Union had purges beginning with its inception due to unrest(similar conditions were also present after the American Revolution). The west knew about it. In fact some commentators drummed up the red scare in our country to purge people they didn't like. Most of them didn't care at the time though.

Yes, I know that. My point is, by 1955, the USSR is not some new, fledging country. The great purges and holomdor and whatnot are decades in the past at this point

Yeah, and? Einstein wasn't a Marxist Leninist so what's your point? The west already knew what happened in Russia. It happens in every revolution when a regime takes power. It happened in the United States back the late 18th century too or have you forgotten that as well?

Im saying that proudclads assertion that Einstein had no idea what horrors the Soviet Union would later commit is...flawed, to say the least
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You cant tell me what to do, MOM
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Here's a list of democratic socialists for @FLUFFYGERM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism

Intellectuals and activists

Billy Bragg
Bertrand Russell, British philosopher[239]
John Dewey[citation needed]
Barbara Ehrenreich[citation needed]
Albert Einstein, German-born physicist[240][241] who wrote about his political views in a 1949 article titled Why Socialism?
Erich Fromm[citation needed]
Michael Harrington[citation needed]
Mahatma Gandhi
Christopher Hitchens[242]
Mary Harris Jones[citation needed]
Mario Bunge[citation needed]
Owen Jones[243]
Helen Keller[citation needed]
Martin Luther King, Jr., African-American civil rights leader[244][245][246]
Naomi Klein[247]
Rosa Luxemburg[citation needed]
Lawrence O'Donnell, American political analyst[citation needed]
George Orwell, English novelist[248]
Andrei Sakharov, Soviet physicist, dissident and human rights activist[249]
Roger Waters[250]
Harry S. Weeks IV, notable political activist and founder of the Wheeling, West-Virginia, Democratic-Socialist Union
Cornel West[citation needed]
Richard D. Wolff[251]
Howard Zinn[252]
Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek finance
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

An example is my response to your really hilarious attempt to quote Einstein. Or those sources I provided wrt what women find attractive. Etc. And then you make passive aggressive posts about how you hope I never get banned because I'm too much fun, in a way where it's like you're talking down to someone you perceive to be on the losing end of some exchange.

1.All you said was appeal to authority

2. Those sources were very slight and the first one written in 1969 when 2nd wave feminism wasn't much of thing.

3. did i hurt your feelings?
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1) I said a lot more than that

2) The two recent sources both affirmed what I said and what you waved off as being something an "MRA" would say

3) In order for that to happen I'd have to respect you and care about you, which I have no reason to
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

The two recent sources both affirmed what I said and what you waved off as being something an "MRA" would say

it's hardly the only thing women look for, otherwise non high income guys would never get married

FLUFFYGERM posted...

In order for that to happen I'd have to respect you and care about you, which I have no reason to

then when are you mad about it

FLUFFYGERM posted...

I said a lot more than that

You claimed he wouldn't see the horrors of Stalin...

And yet 1984 was a response to Stalinism which was came out about 7 years before Einstein died.
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damn claddy came on a little too thick itt

be more subtle next time
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