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A_Good_Boy
12/19/18 11:31:14 AM
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uwnim posted...
Wasn't it just heavily skewed in her favor? Like all the delegates not decided by voting were automatically given to her before anything started and media connections were used to push the idea that voting for anyone else in the primaries was a waste of time.

The superdelegates going to Clinton weren't all that surprising in the first place. She's worked with Democrats for her entire career, fundraiser for them, and even put the entire party on her back financially. Bernie was just that dude that came up out of the blue and became a Democrat so he could stand a chance of becoming president. Why wouldn't the superdelegates have gone to her?
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Anteaterking
12/19/18 11:32:35 AM
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Antifar posted...
To describe the 2016 primaries as "sham votes" is really to oversell what happened there. Election results weren't changed or altered; the Superdelegate process was just laid on top of it.


And lesser known candidates having to work against the party apparatus and a build up of endorsements on one side isn't really that new. It's part of the whole idea of "the party decides" which has been eroding over the years but still exists.

That's different than straight up not having a contest.
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Tyranthraxus
12/19/18 11:33:58 AM
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She won even without superdelegates so the superdelegate point is irrelevant. The real issue is that the DNC themselves deliberately sabotaged Bernie's campaigning efforts to promote Hillary. Had the election been even closer, and the superdelegates ended up swinging the election, there'd have been a much bigger shitstorm.
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ElatedVenusaur
12/19/18 11:34:43 AM
#54:


uwnim posted...
Wasn't it just heavily skewed in her favor? Like all the delegates not decided by voting were automatically given to her before anything started and media connections were used to push the idea that voting for anyone else in the primaries was a waste of time.

Yeah. She also had undue influence on the DNC itself. It was arranged to dissuade Biden from running, but proved handy against Bernie. Her victory was never a foregone conclusion: it's important to remember that Bernie was literally just some no-name answer to a trivia question nationally prior to the primary and that he stumbled with certain issues and basically didn't bother campaigning in the South.
All that said, it's absolutely true that Hillary enjoyed unfair advantages. The hilarious thing is that she did not need them and marred her primary victory entirely unnecessarily, but then the 2008 primary was already an excellent demonstration of her lacking political wisdom.
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uwnim
12/19/18 11:43:28 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
She won even without superdelegates so the superdelegate point is irrelevant. The real issue is that the DNC themselves deliberately sabotaged Bernie's campaigning efforts to promote Hillary. Had the election been even closer, and the superdelegates ended up swinging the election, there'd have been a much bigger shitstorm.

The superdelegates were part of their efforts to promote Hillary though.
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Anteaterking
12/19/18 11:44:51 AM
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uwnim posted...
The superdelegates were part of their efforts to promote Hillary though.


In a system without superdelegates, endorsements still exist and that's essentially what superdelegates are.

Except that hypothetically they could change who wins, despite never having done so.
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BigSLM1993
12/19/18 11:45:00 AM
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That's pure insanity. They're placing their bets on Trump. Once he's done with his term, idk if they can go back to how they once were >_>
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UnholyMudcrab
12/19/18 11:45:23 AM
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Now you guys have let DJL derail the topic into talking about Hillary
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Antifar
12/19/18 11:45:50 AM
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BigSLM1993 posted...
That's pure insanity. They're placing their bets on Trump. Once he's done with his term, idk if they can go back to how they once were >_>

This is what they are, not some aberration.
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uwnim
12/19/18 11:53:06 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
uwnim posted...
The superdelegates were part of their efforts to promote Hillary though.


In a system without superdelegates, endorsements still exist and that's essentially what superdelegates are.

Except that hypothetically they could change who wins, despite never having done so.

That last bit is the important part and was why there were used. The democratic party used that to push the idea she had an insurmountable lead over everyone else in an attempt to discourage votes for the other primary candidates.
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uwnim
12/19/18 11:56:18 AM
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BigSLM1993 posted...
That's pure insanity. They're placing their bets on Trump. Once he's done with his term, idk if they can go back to how they once were >_>

They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.
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Tyranthraxus
12/19/18 11:56:55 AM
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uwnim posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
She won even without superdelegates so the superdelegate point is irrelevant. The real issue is that the DNC themselves deliberately sabotaged Bernie's campaigning efforts to promote Hillary. Had the election been even closer, and the superdelegates ended up swinging the election, there'd have been a much bigger shitstorm.

The superdelegates were part of their efforts to promote Hillary though.

Yes, but what they did was they used Superdelegates to make it look like she'd already won and discourage Bernie voters from going to the primaries. They didn't just straight up cancel the fucking primary.
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Anteaterking
12/19/18 12:02:09 PM
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uwnim posted...
That last bit is the important part and was why there were used. The democratic party used that to push the idea she had an insurmountable lead over everyone else in an attempt to discourage votes for the other primary candidates.


It's a primary. The idea that people didn't come out and vote for Bernie because he "had no chance of winning" has as much evidence for it as people not coming out and voting for Hillary because she "had no chance of losing".
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Antifar
12/19/18 12:04:02 PM
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uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time
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uwnim
12/19/18 12:11:32 PM
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Antifar posted...
uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time

These are Republicans. The article says they have a precedent for doing this sort of thing when party leaders are worried that there could be an actual challenger. Enough never Trumpers existed for there to be concern over a possible threat to him.
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Antifar
12/19/18 12:15:43 PM
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uwnim posted...
Enough never Trumpers existed for there to be concern over a possible threat to him.

Never Trump people are like 10% of the party, if that
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Broseph_Stalin
12/19/18 2:08:28 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Now you guys have let DJL derail the topic into talking about Hillary


Yeah but on the plus side, he always stops posting every time he embarrasses himself like this.
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Anteaterking
12/19/18 2:14:30 PM
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Antifar posted...
Never Trump people are like 10% of the party, if that


And of those, the % who would back a primary challenger beyond just a little lip service is even lower.
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DarkRoast
12/19/18 2:15:46 PM
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I think you're underestinating how many GOPers there are that don't even want to associate themselves with the current party.
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 3:58:25 PM
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Antifar posted...
uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time

Was Obama primaried?
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ScazarMeltex
12/19/18 4:06:16 PM
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Antifar posted...
BigSLM1993 posted...
That's pure insanity. They're placing their bets on Trump. Once he's done with his term, idk if they can go back to how they once were >_>

This is what they are, not some aberration.

Yeah this is what they've been the mask is just off now. It had been barely hanging on since Obama won and Trump finally ripped it off.
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Doom_Art
12/19/18 4:14:16 PM
#72:


darkjedilink posted...
Was Obama primaried?

There was still a primary in 2012
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VipaGTS
12/19/18 4:18:30 PM
#73:


darkjedilink posted...
Antifar posted...
uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time

Was Obama primaried?

Yes there was a democratic primary in 2012.
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PleaseClap
12/19/18 4:20:57 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Antifar posted...
uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time

Was Obama primaried?

Yes there was a democratic primary in 2012.

Do you think hes allergic to google searches or what
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BigSLM1993
12/19/18 4:21:08 PM
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I think there should still be primaries even against an incumbent. What if they stunk their first term and the people want someone else to represent the party?
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VipaGTS
12/19/18 4:22:05 PM
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PleaseClap posted...
VipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Antifar posted...
uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time

Was Obama primaried?

Yes there was a democratic primary in 2012.

Do you think hes allergic to google searches or what

Hes allergic to logic and rational thought.
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A_Good_Boy
12/19/18 4:25:27 PM
#77:


VipaGTS posted...
PleaseClap posted...
VipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Antifar posted...
uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time

Was Obama primaried?

Yes there was a democratic primary in 2012.

Do you think hes allergic to google searches or what

Hes allergic to logic and rational thought.

Obama fucked his wife and he'll never let it go.
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 4:51:31 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Antifar posted...
uwnim posted...
They have no choice. He's the figurehead of the republican party, so to the typical republican he must be supported. Anything else would damage the party and they've sworn loyalty to it.

Parties have primaries for sitting presidents all the damn time

Was Obama primaried?

Yes there was a democratic primary in 2012.

Who ran against him?
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Anteaterking
12/19/18 4:55:40 PM
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Bio1590
12/19/18 5:12:08 PM
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 5:17:13 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Who ran against him?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

So, nobody.

So he literally wasn't primaried, and the DNC could have saved millions of dollars.
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Doom_Art
12/19/18 5:18:42 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
So he literally wasn't primaried

There was a Democratic primary in 2012
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 5:19:32 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So he literally wasn't primaried

There was a Democratic primary in 2012

Who ran against Obama, then?
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PleaseClap
12/19/18 5:20:08 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Doom_Art posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So he literally wasn't primaried

There was a Democratic primary in 2012

Who ran against Obama, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
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darkjedilink
12/19/18 5:21:42 PM
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PleaseClap posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Doom_Art posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So he literally wasn't primaried

There was a Democratic primary in 2012

Who ran against Obama, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

So, he wasn't primaried.
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UnholyMudcrab
12/19/18 5:22:20 PM
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Doom_Art
12/19/18 5:22:24 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
So, he wasn't primaried.

Plenty of people ran against Obama in 2012
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SchoolForAnts
12/19/18 5:24:26 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
eston posted...
This is really disturbing. It's no longer about party to them, it's about one specific individual. That type of thinking is very dangerous

I'm interested in that they seem to be doubling down on him personally after the losses in the midterms.

Kinda the opposite direction I expected the party to go in at this point.

I'm going to be very curious to see what the party looks like after Trump


I can see them going for someone more extreme than 45.

Maybe Richard spencer or Stephen Miller
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Anteaterking
12/19/18 5:34:06 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
So, he wasn't primaried.


Sorry, no serious politicians wanted to waste their time running against a president with approval among his party in the 80s. They didn't hold a grudge against him for their wives/husbands leaving them.
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Broseph_Stalin
12/19/18 5:37:39 PM
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Is DJL an admiral alt? He has the same posting style of making really dumb claims he could have easily googled instead and then pretending like he never said it.
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Bio1590
12/19/18 5:52:36 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Is DJL an admiral alt? He has the same posting style of making really dumb claims he could have easily googled instead and then pretending like he never said it.

lol I questioned that at first but nah, djl is just less intelligent, more hateful, and far more willing to make up absolute bullshit than Admiral is.
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SchoolForAnts
12/19/18 5:54:12 PM
#93:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Is DJL an admiral alt? He has the same posting style of making really dumb claims he could have easily googled instead and then pretending like he never said it.


There is a way to find out:

Hey DJL what do you think of The kkk rallies?
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Kineth
12/19/18 6:00:53 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
Now you guys have let DJL derail the topic into talking about Hillary


Yeah but on the plus side, he always stops posting every time he embarrasses himself like this.


No, he doesn't.
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metralo
12/19/18 6:14:42 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
PleaseClap posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Doom_Art posted...
darkjedilink posted...
So he literally wasn't primaried

There was a Democratic primary in 2012

Who ran against Obama, then?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

So, he wasn't primaried.


we get it dude you hate black people because your wife left you

move on and go see somebody about your very blatant mental illness
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The Great Muta 22
12/19/18 7:56:44 PM
#96:


SchoolForAnts posted...
Doom_Art posted...
eston posted...
This is really disturbing. It's no longer about party to them, it's about one specific individual. That type of thinking is very dangerous

I'm interested in that they seem to be doubling down on him personally after the losses in the midterms.

Kinda the opposite direction I expected the party to go in at this point.

I'm going to be very curious to see what the party looks like after Trump


I can see them going for someone more extreme than 45.

Maybe Richard spencer or Stephen Miller


Nah, it'll be someone who can fit both the politician and hard right angle. I think the top contenders now are probably Nikki Haley and Lindsay Graham. I know 538 casually threw out Tom Cotton in their last podcast, but I don't think he has the charisma to carry the party after Trump. Both Graham and Haley seem to be putting themselves into position to be the ones to carry the party post Trump.
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Doom_Art
12/19/18 7:58:48 PM
#97:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Tom Cotton

Tom Cotton scares the hell out of me
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SchoolForAnts
12/19/18 8:05:40 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
SchoolForAnts posted...
Doom_Art posted...
eston posted...
This is really disturbing. It's no longer about party to them, it's about one specific individual. That type of thinking is very dangerous

I'm interested in that they seem to be doubling down on him personally after the losses in the midterms.

Kinda the opposite direction I expected the party to go in at this point.

I'm going to be very curious to see what the party looks like after Trump


I can see them going for someone more extreme than 45.

Maybe Richard spencer or Stephen Miller


Nah, it'll be someone who can fit both the politician and hard right angle. I think the top contenders now are probably Nikki Haley and Lindsay Graham. I know 538 casually threw out Tom Cotton in their last podcast, but I don't think he has the charisma to carry the party after Trump. Both Graham and Haley seem to be putting themselves into position to be the ones to carry the party post Trump.


Ah yes. Haley wouldnt be THAT much of a racist, so Lindsay fucking graham would probably be it.

Also, fuck Tom cotton, he is as much of a racist as Stephen Miller
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Sayoria
12/19/18 8:07:20 PM
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GOP looking to do more Unconstitutional shit.
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SchoolForAnts
12/19/18 8:08:19 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Tom Cotton

Tom Cotton scares the hell out of me


As racist as Stephen Miller, and just as full of hate, but he is Paul Ryan disciplined and is the sort of guy that gets suburban house mommies with weight issues and dead bedrooms wet panties.

He would be a much, much more effective version of trump.

I recall seeing an interview where he was trying to pass an immigration law that pretty much restricted immigration to white anglophones, and when giving the interview he offered out of the blue I dont hate Mexicans and this is not an anti Mexican law and then there was an awkward pause...
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