Current Events > Why is it okay for French protesters to take to the streets, but not BLM?

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SchoolForAnts posted...

QueenCarly posted...

SchoolForAnts posted...

SquirrelyDan posted...

@DarthWendy

Kinda weird I'm the one tagging you, but what do you think about all of this?

I bet she loves it. This pretty much guarantees Le Pens rise to power

How so? The movement is left wing in nature. If leftism gains strength in France as a whole there is no way white nationalists like Le Pen should be able to grab power.

Because the # 2 contender was Le Pen.

Take macron down and she is # 1.

This is like a 5-year-old kid's tier of comprehension. Therefore I will disregard SchoolForAnts altogether and all his future posts for the time being.
@SquirrelyDan
Of course things are, as expected, not "more complicated" per se, but certainly more "layered", or complex if you prefer, than the simplified version of this very important event that reached you chaps abroad.

First of all, the difference between your "BLM" thing and the Yellow Vests is astronomical in its very essence. While "BLM" 's platform and demands (legitimate or not, this isn't the point and I genuinely don't care one way or another) revolve around a particular group of people, the Yellow Vests actually express a general despondency and fed-up of the entire French middle-class as a whole (the hooligans breaking stuff aren't Yellow Vests btw) in regards with an unfair, confiscatory tax. Of course this tax was just a sparkle, the tax pressure in France is unbearable already, this is why over 70% of the population was, and still is, supporting them.

Secondly, this movement is not at all some leftist or "unionist" usual commie protest, because there are no unions among them, most Yellow Vests are the average joe and his or her small family buisness, employees, entrepreneurs, etc. This represents the core of the middle class, and they are not represented by the usual unions. Of course the usual commie unions would DREAM of stealing the show, but they have gloriously failed. As have failed the far-left and far-right parties to "seize upon" the protests. Yellow Vests clearly, vocally and blatantly delimitated themselves from Le Pen or the far left, and from political parties in general.

It is, quite simply, the PEOPLE being fed-up with taxes and the lies of the government as for the "reasons" for these more and more pressuring taxes. The silent and unlistened-to majority simply decided that it was enough, and stopped being silent after 30 or 40 years of tax obedience and being despised by the Parisian governing elites who lost grip with reality and the middle man's daily life decades ago.

There would be a lot more to say on the matter for an even more granular analysis, but I cannot be arsed to take the time to do it here given the amoung of people who don't know what they're talking about, and who the less they know, the more they bark (not you of course, but many others lol). If you want to go into more in-depth discussion on this matter, we can take this to Discord if you're curious and want a better unerstanding of the thing @SquirrelyDan, here the white noise is too loud :)
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

seems like the right wing is largely celebrating the riots in France as the people rising up by demonstrating a grievance with their government

[citation needed]

...please?

Questionmarktarius posted...

[citation needed]

This is literally a no citation topic to circle jerk "conservative hypocracy".
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Vertania posted...

Anti-245 posted...

https://openrevolt.info/2018/12/10/yellow-vest-protestors-25-demands-for-a-free-france/

These are left wing positions here.

Most of them, yes. There's a few that seem right wing though, especially the bolded ones:

-Frexit: Leave the EU to regain our economic, monetary and political sovereignty
-Break up media monopolies and end their interference in politics.
-Guarantee citizens liberty by including in the constitution a complete prohibition on state interference in their decisions concerning education, health and family matters
-Reindustrialize France
-Prevent migratory flows that cannot be accommodated or integrated, given the profound civilizational crisis we are experiencing

Plus, the riots apparently started in response to the "eco-friendly" gas tax, which is more of a left wing thing.

There's nothing left wing about the eu.
The second point has more to do with imperialism and racism. Most first world leftists have this problem. It's not necessarily a right wing point.
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The entire yellow vest movement is all about raising taxes on the rich and corporations to help the poor and middle class.

But sure, it's totally not a left wing movement lmao
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Anti-245 posted...

There's nothing left wing about the eu.

ClockworkHare posted...

Why is it okay for French protesters to take to the streets, but not BLM?

They have BLM in France....?

I thought that was an American thing.

My thought as well since its another country.
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Skurvy_1 posted...

ClockworkHare posted...

Why is it okay for French protesters to take to the streets, but not BLM?

They have BLM in France....?

I thought that was an American thing.

My thought as well since its another country.

No, we do not have BLM here, and any race-based movement, party or association, union, group, lobby, whatever, would be very badly perceived by the French people since here what comes above all else is citizenship (not in the Starship Troopers sense lol) and a sense of belonging to the Republic as one, the notion of race or racial minorities and any specific claims related to that are very unpopular and would be seens as problematic. Particular claims of groups gathered together based on religions, races, ethnicities and whatnot don't really exist and go against most of our core beliefs (our Constitution and the entire Civil Code and all laws do not recognise the notion of "race" and "minority". Either you're French, or you're not, that's about it.
On the other hand, the police is rather popular among the people, and well-loved in real life. Anyone barking against the Police or Army are usually looked down upon by the vast majority.
But the MOST loved group are by far the Firemen (hot too lol).
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@A_Good_Boy posted...

Aren't a majority of those attacks being carried out by French citizens? Maybe we should take a bit more time and look into it a little but deeper than "they're Muslim".

Some were, but I doubt it was the majority. The attacks became a consistent thing at the end of 2014, which is when the Syrian refugee crisis saw the biggest spike.

So even if the majority of the attacks were by French citizens (and I'm not saying they were), almost every single one of them was directly linked to Islam/ISIS. If it wasn't immigrants carrying out the attacks, it was likely French citizens who were radicalized by the immigrants.

When ~90+% of the terror attacks are clearly and directly linked to Islam, exactly how much deeper do you want to go?

I wish we used that same logic and rhetoric with U.S. imperialism.
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Vertania posted...

Anti-245 posted...

There's nothing left wing about the eu.

He's right; the EU is an engine for economic austerity.
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