Current Events > George HW Bush should have been tried as a war criminal.

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Red fash imperialism is still imperialism, bud
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If HW were going to be tried for war crimes, it should have been for his tenure during the Reagan administration.

I don't think he's a war criminal and if he is, I don't give a shit because he's dead.
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ssjevot posted...

Okay, you can keep circle-jerking to the big bad US all you want. It's never going to be relevant to the Kuwaiti invasion being wrong and something needing to be done about it. The US wasn't even going to take part initially, other countries had to convince them to. Too bad they did take part, if the Soviets led it instead you would probably be praising them as heroes of the people for liberating the oppressed Kuwaitis

I actually don't like the ussr that much. :P
Actually, it was the U.S. who used its connections under bush to push for un members to invade Iraq. This is why it's important to look at the build up to this event . The U.S. had no interest in simply liberating Kuwait as you say. Its record before or after the war proves it.
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Kineth posted...

If HW were going to be tried for war crimes, it should have been for his tenure during the Reagan administration.

I don't think he's a war criminal and if he is, I don't give a shit because he's dead.

What he did in panama would count.
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Anti-245 posted...

Actually, it was the U.S. who used its connections under bush to push for un members to invade Iraq

That was literally another war under another president. I have no idea how someone can be so dense, but I am not going to bother trying to educate you anymore.
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ssjevot posted...

Anti-245 posted...

Actually, it was the U.S. who used its connections under bush to push for un members to invade Iraq

That was literally another war under another president. I have no idea how someone can be so dense, but I am not going to bother trying to educate you anymore.

This happened under Bush Sr as well. The U.S. used its position as the sole super power to push the other members to join in. They gave aid to those who sided with them(China and the ussr) and punished those who did not(Cuba and Yemen).
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Anti-245 posted...

ssjevot posted...

Anti-245 posted...

Actually, it was the U.S. who used its connections under bush to push for un members to invade Iraq

That was literally another war under another president. I have no idea how someone's day can be so dense, but I am not going to bother trying to educate you anymore.

This happened under Bush Sr as well. The U.S. used its position as the sole super power to push the other members to join in. They gave aid to those who sided with them(China and the ussr) and punished those who did not(Cuba and Yemen).

And those were just four examples but we could go on.
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Making stuff up doesn't make it true:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War

The US administration had at first been indecisive with an "undertone ... of resignation to the invasion and even adaptation to it as a fait accompli" until the UK's prime minister Margaret Thatcher played a powerful role, reminding the President that appeasement in the 1930s had led to war, that Saddam would have the whole Gulf at his mercy along with 65 percent of the world's oil supply, and famously urging President Bush "not to go wobbly".[28]

Once persuaded, US officials insisted on a total Iraqi pullout from Kuwait, without any linkage to other Middle Eastern problems, accepting the British view that any concessions would strengthen Iraqi influence in the region for years to come.[77]

On 29 November 1990, the Security Council passed Resolution 678 which gave Iraq until 15 January 1991 to withdraw from Kuwait and empowered states to use "all necessary means" to force Iraq out of Kuwait after the deadline.

A coalition of forces opposing Iraq's aggression was formed, consisting of forces from 34 countries: Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, France, Greece, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Spain, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and the US itself. It was the largest coalition since World War II.[96] US Army General Norman Schwarzkopf, Jr. was designated to be the commander of the coalition forces in the Persian Gulf area. The Soviet Union also supported United States intervention.

Although they did not contribute any forces, Japan and Germany made financial contributions totaling $10 billion and $6.6 billion respectively. US troops represented 73% of the coalition's 956,600 troops in Iraq.[97]
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https://www.jstor.org/stable/2706914?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1270&context=cilj

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2706914?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

https://billmoyers.com/2014/06/27/the-first-iraq-war-was-also-sold-to-the-public-based-on-a-pack-of-lies/

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/91jul/layne.htm
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Bush pushed for war even though he knew that most of the country weren't sold on the war. That's why he lied constantly on television here and he pushed un members to fall in or face consequences like Yemen did when they yanked aid from them.
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Nothing you posted supports the claims you made here:

Anti-245 posted...

This happened under Bush Sr as well. The U.S. used its position as the sole super power to push the other members to join in. They gave aid to those who sided with them(China and the ussr) and punished those who did not(Cuba and Yemen).

Now you're moving the goalposts yet again and talking about him lying to the US public. You just going to keep throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks?
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Have you read the actual resolution wiki?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_678

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/02/world/mideast-tensions-us-won-support-use-mideast-forces-iraq-resolution-us-soviet.html

https://covertactionmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/CAIB37.pdf
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Favorite posted...

this is an embarrassing topic

Nah, that wouldn't have gone over well with the older crowd
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It doesn't make him a war criminal but H.W.'s legacy should be shit all over for abandoning the Iraqi population after calling for them to rise up and remove Saddam from power, not once but twice (not counting the CIA operated radio station that called for the people to rise against Saddam), then did nothing to help when they attempted an uprising. Then continued to do nothing as loyalist forces retook cities, often using women and children as human shields, where they detained and summarily executed or "disappeared" thousands of people at random in a policy of collective responsibility, many of whom were tortured, raped, or burned alive.

200 mass graves have been found, one of which the bodies of at least 10,000 victims.
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ScazarMeltex posted...

It doesn't make him a war criminal but H.W.'s legacy should be shit all over for abandoning the Iraqi population after calling for them to rise up and remove Saddam from power, not once but twice (not counting the CIA operated radio station that called for the people to rise against Saddam), then did nothing to help when they attempted an uprising. Then continued to do nothing as loyalist forces retook cities, often using women and children as human shields, where they detained and summarily executed or "disappeared" thousands of people at random in a policy of collective responsibility, many of whom were tortured, raped, or burned alive.

200 mass graves have been found, one of which the bodies of at least 10,000 victims.

His invasion of panama would qualify him as such tbh.
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