Current Events > How do you feel about the Otto Warmbier situation?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier

Warmbier's father stated that his son, en route to Hong Kong to complete a study abroad program, was traveling in China at the end of 2015 when he saw a company offering trips to North Korea. He decided to go because he was adventurous, according to his father. The senior Warmbier said that the China-based tour operator, Young Pioneer Tours, appealed to young Westerners with slogans such as "This is the trip your parents don't want you to take!" and advertised the trip as safe for U.S. citizens.

Warmbier traveled to North Korea for a five-day New Year's tour of the country. Ten other U.S. citizens were in his tour group.[The tour group celebrated New Year's Eve by carousing in Pyongyang's Kim Il-sung Square before returning to their accommodations at the Yanggakdo International Hotel, where they continued drinking alcohol.[14][15] Early in the morning of New Year's Day, Warmbier allegedly tried to steal a propaganda poster from a staff-only area of the hotel.[16][17] The poster stated, "Let's arm ourselves strongly with Kim Jong-il's patriotism!" Harming or stealing such items with the name or image of a North Korean leader is considered a serious crime by the North Korean government.

After 17 months in prison, Warmbier, in a comatose state, was medically evacuated to Cincinnati, arriving in the evening of June 13. He was taken to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, where doctors tried to determine what caused his coma and if there were signs of recovery.

Warmbier's physicians at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center stated that he was in "a state of unresponsive wakefulness," commonly known as persistent vegetative state.[45] He was able to breathe on his own and blink his eyes, but otherwise showed no signs of awareness of his environment, such as understanding language, nor did he initiate any purposeful movements.[49]

Medical records from North Korea showed that Warmbier had been in this state since April 2016, one month after his conviction. During his release, the North Koreans provided a disc containing two magnetic resonance imaging brain scans, dated April and July 2016, showing damage to the brain.[50]

According to his medical team, brain scans revealed Warmbier had suffered extensive loss of brain tissue throughout his brain, consistent with a cardiopulmonary event that caused the brain to be deprived of oxygen. Doctors said they did not know what caused the cardiac arrest, but that it could have been triggered by a respiratory arrest, while a neurointensive care specialist at the hospital stated that there was no evidence indicating botulism. They said physicians found no evidence of physical abuse or torture; scans of Warmbier's neck and head were normal outside of the brain injury.

there's certain things one must never do while visiting north korea.

can't even bring in religious literature (they'll toss one in labor camp for this)
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Given what they found (or didn't find), one has to wonder if perhaps he was already on the way out before he went there and his condition just happened to finally progress to the point of coma (and eventually, death) soon after he got there, unrelated to the jailing.
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kingdrake2 posted...

there's certain things one must never do while visiting north korea.

can't even bring in religious literature (they'll toss one in labor camp for this)

Or just don't visit North Korea haha?

DarkTransient posted...

Given what they found (or didn't find), one has to wonder if perhaps he was already on the way out before he went there and his condition just happened to finally progress to the point of coma (and eventually, death) soon after he got there, unrelated to the jailing.

While possible, doubtful. The tests they ran which amounted to nothing, were conducted 17 month after he had been there. My guess is his body probably recovered from whatever damage it sustained to a point where no reason for his state could be determined anymore.

winged_weltall posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Given what they found (or didn't find), one has to wonder if perhaps he was already on the way out before he went there and his condition just happened to finally progress to the point of coma (and eventually, death) soon after he got there, unrelated to the jailing.

While possible, doubtful. The tests they ran which amounted to nothing, were conducted 17 month after he had been there. My guess is his body probably recovered from whatever damage it sustained to a point where no reason for his state could be determined anymore.

toyota posted...

Medical records from North Korea showed that Warmbier had been in this state since April 2016, one month after his conviction. During his release, the North Koreans provided a disc containing two magnetic resonance imaging brain scans, dated April and July 2016, showing damage to the brain.[50]

I mean, there is the question of whether they're 100% legit, I guess (it IS North Korea, after all), but yeah.
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His press conference was quite unique. It was like he was brainwashed/hypnotized and the North Koreans were just... quiet.

This is a short version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjDgb-k4VXw" data-time="

this proves that north korea is are enemy
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