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Coastal_elite 12/03/18 1:32:08 AM #1:	I was watching the movie on TV (which I still enjoy, BTW, I feel the hate is unwarranted) and I remembered that the movie is vastly different from what Snyder wanted. Studio intervention was huge in all of these DC movie universe pictures. For example, Suicide Squad was supposed to have Steppenwolf control the sorceress and the "gooey monsters" were supposed to be parademons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Sln52nmpg" data-time=" Now Suicide Squad suddenly makes more sense huh? But WB had to intervene... So that makes me wonder, maybe those very random and odd/disjointed scenes in BvS are remnants of the original concept? : - Batman's nightmare - It clearly has parademons. Batman hadn't even seen parademons yet. The nightmare is odd an isolated, it must have a reason. Also, Superman alludes that Batman killed Louis. - Flash in Wayne's dream - Batman didn't know Flash back then either. He appears in his dream and warns him about Superman and tells him that Louis is the key, and that Supes is bad. Odd, isn't it? And strangely disjointed from the rest of the real story, but it's congruent with itself: 1) Something happens to Louis 2) Supes blames Bats for it 3) Supes went batshit insane, injustice: gods among men style because of it. Perhaps the original concept for BvS was vastly different, just like suicide squad was? I mean, I am sure that in the end of BvS Supes would come back to his senses and get all chummy with bats in time for Justice League, perhaps they'd discover that Steppenwolf/Parademons were behind whatever happened to Louis instead or something... but this would explain why bats and supes fought to start with, and maybe WB was like "no, supes can't be "bad", period". Thoughts? <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913451082] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote>I was watching the movie on TV (which I still enjoy, BTW, I feel the hate is unwarranted) and I remembered that the movie is vastly different from what Snyder wanted. Studio intervention was huge in all of these DC movie universe pictures. For example, Suicide Squad was supposed to have Steppenwolf control the sorceress and the "gooey monsters" were supposed to be parademons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4Sln52nmpg" data-time=" Now Suicide Squad suddenly makes more sense huh? But WB had to intervene... So that makes me wonder, maybe those very random and odd/disjointed scenes in BvS are remnants of the original concept? : - Batman's nightmare - It clearly has parademons. Batman hadn't even seen parademons yet. The nightmare is odd an isolated, it must have a reason. Also, Superman alludes that Batman killed Louis. - Flash in Wayne's dream - Batman didn't know Flash back then either. He appears in his dream and warns him about Superman and tells him that Louis is the key, and that Supes is bad. Odd, isn't it? And strangely disjointed from the rest of the real story, but it's congruent with itself: 1) Something happens to Louis 2) Supes blames Bats for it 3) Supes went batshit insane, injustice: gods among men style because of it. Perhaps the original concept for BvS was vastly different, just like suicide squad was? I mean, I am sure that in the end of BvS Supes would come back to his senses and get all chummy with bats in time for Justice League, perhaps they'd discover that Steppenwolf/Parademons were behind whatever happened to Louis instead or something... but this would explain why bats and supes fought to start with, and maybe WB was like "no, supes can't be "bad", period". Thoughts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 12/03/18 1:33:01 AM #2:	Let's not blame the studio too much. Snyder is perfectly capable of making bad/mediocre films on his own --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:913451114] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote>Let's not blame the studio too much. Snyder is perfectly capable of making bad/mediocre films on his own</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 12/03/18 1:34:18 AM #3:	Doom_Art posted... Let's not blame the studio for everything. Snyder is perfectly capable of making bad/mediocre films on his own Fair enough. I don't want this topic to derail into a Snyder/DC/Wb hate fest, though. Can we focus on the possibility that BvS was maybe vastly different in the beginning and that those odd, disjointed dream scenes are remnants of the original script? <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913451150] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Let's not blame the studio for everything. Snyder is perfectly capable of making bad/mediocre films on his own</quote> Fair enough. I don't want this topic to derail into a Snyder/DC/Wb hate fest, though. Can we focus on the possibility that BvS was maybe vastly different in the beginning and that those odd, disjointed dream scenes are remnants of the original script?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 12/03/18 1:36:27 AM #4:	I liked the movie. Forgot about the flash part being a dream though and not legit he came from the future --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:913451212] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote>I liked the movie. Forgot about the flash part being a dream though and not legit he came from the future</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 12/03/18 1:42:05 AM #5:	mooreandrew58 posted... I liked the movie. Forgot about the flash part being a dream though and not legit he came from the future Yes, I legit like the movie. It's not perfect, but it's fun. <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913451379] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>I liked the movie. Forgot about the flash part being a dream though and not legit he came from the future</quote> Yes, I legit like the movie. It's not perfect, but it's fun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 12/03/18 2:02:40 AM #6:	Coastal_elite posted... mooreandrew58 posted... I liked the movie. Forgot about the flash part being a dream though and not legit he came from the future Yes, I legit like the movie. It's not perfect, but it's fun. While I was sure WB fucked things up I thought were they fucked up was craming too much into one movie. It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. Lex was the biggest fuck up though. Got him all wrong. I don't care about what they got wrong with doomsday cause if you pay attention they make it clear he's not the original or at least not the first creature made in such a fashion (though in some comics how this one was made is actually how bizzaro got made) --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:913451951] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>I liked the movie. Forgot about the flash part being a dream though and not legit he came from the future</quote> Yes, I legit like the movie. It's not perfect, but it's fun.</quote> While I was sure WB fucked things up I thought were they fucked up was craming too much into one movie. It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. Lex was the biggest fuck up though. Got him all wrong. I don't care about what they got wrong with doomsday cause if you pay attention they make it clear he's not the original or at least not the first creature made in such a fashion (though in some comics how this one was made is actually how bizzaro got made)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 12/03/18 9:23:36 AM #7:	@mooreandrew58 posted... It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City? <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913461336] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>@mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure.</quote> You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 12/03/18 9:27:43 AM #8:	Coastal_elite posted... @mooreandrew58 posted... It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City? Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:913461463] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure.</quote> You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City?</quote> Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 12/03/18 9:57:29 AM #9:	mooreandrew58 posted... Coastal_elite posted... @mooreandrew58 posted... It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City? Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league. I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good. <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913462519] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure.</quote> You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City?</quote> Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league.</quote> I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 12/03/18 10:03:16 AM #10:	Coastal_elite posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Coastal_elite posted... @mooreandrew58 posted... It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City? Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league. I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good. Unfortunately local comic shop closed down and I'm not into pirating stuff. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:913462734] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure.</quote> You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City?</quote> Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league.</quote> I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good.</quote> Unfortunately local comic shop closed down and I'm not into pirating stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 12/03/18 10:03:58 AM #11:	This is what post production is for. If WB was intervening that much (which I believe is way overblown) then they should have cut out the scenes that didn't make sense after the changes. Reshoots are a thing and for a film with such a high budget they shouldn't have had an issue doing so. I don't think Snyder had a good vision for the films and I don't think he should have helmed the DC movies at all. If the studio had to intervene it was probably for good reason. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:913462762] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote>This is what post production is for. If WB was intervening that much (which I believe is way overblown) then they should have cut out the scenes that didn't make sense after the changes. Reshoots are a thing and for a film with such a high budget they shouldn't have had an issue doing so. I don't think Snyder had a good vision for the films and I don't think he should have helmed the DC movies at all. If the studio had to intervene it was probably for good reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coastal_elite 12/03/18 12:50:32 PM #12:	Smashingpmkns posted... This is what post production is for. If WB was intervening that much (which I believe is way overblown) then they should have cut out the scenes that didn't make sense after the changes. Reshoots are a thing and for a film with such a high budget they shouldn't have had an issue doing so. I don't think Snyder had a good vision for the films and I don't think he should have helmed the DC movies at all. If the studio had to intervene it was probably for good reason. Cool. But do you think the original BvS concept was very different? <cite>Coastal_elite posted [p:913470167] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>This is what post production is for. If WB was intervening that much (which I believe is way overblown) then they should have cut out the scenes that didn't make sense after the changes. Reshoots are a thing and for a film with such a high budget they shouldn't have had an issue doing so. I don't think Snyder had a good vision for the films and I don't think he should have helmed the DC movies at all. If the studio had to intervene it was probably for good reason.</quote> Cool. But do you think the original BvS concept was very different?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 12/03/18 12:57:28 PM #13:	Coastal_elite posted... Smashingpmkns posted... This is what post production is for. If WB was intervening that much (which I believe is way overblown) then they should have cut out the scenes that didn't make sense after the changes. Reshoots are a thing and for a film with such a high budget they shouldn't have had an issue doing so. I don't think Snyder had a good vision for the films and I don't think he should have helmed the DC movies at all. If the studio had to intervene it was probably for good reason. Cool. But do you think the original BvS concept was very different? Maybe in the very early stages. Like latest being story boarding. Definitely not once filming started or else the "Snyder cut" would be much more than it is. That doesn't make it different than any other film though. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:913470538] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>This is what post production is for. If WB was intervening that much (which I believe is way overblown) then they should have cut out the scenes that didn't make sense after the changes. Reshoots are a thing and for a film with such a high budget they shouldn't have had an issue doing so. I don't think Snyder had a good vision for the films and I don't think he should have helmed the DC movies at all. If the studio had to intervene it was probably for good reason.</quote> Cool. But do you think the original BvS concept was very different?</quote> Maybe in the very early stages. Like latest being story boarding. Definitely not once filming started or else the "Snyder cut" would be much more than it is. That doesn't make it different than any other film though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 12/03/18 8:00:17 PM #14:	I recall one part that got cut from the theatre version that was stupid. Explaining why superman couldn't see the bomb. May not seem big on paper but it is to anyone who is familiar with Superman's powers. Surely there was another scene that could have been cut or a few others shortened for that one. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:913493127] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote>I recall one part that got cut from the theatre version that was stupid. Explaining why superman couldn't see the bomb. May not seem big on paper but it is to anyone who is familiar with Superman's powers. Surely there was another scene that could have been cut or a few others shortened for that one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/03/18 8:04:27 PM #15:	mooreandrew58 posted... Coastal_elite posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Coastal_elite posted... @mooreandrew58 posted... It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City? Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league. I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good. Unfortunately local comic shop closed down and I'm not into pirating stuff. Amazon has it both digital and in paper <cite>Zikten posted [p:913493394] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure.</quote> You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City?</quote> Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league.</quote> I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good.</quote> Unfortunately local comic shop closed down and I'm not into pirating stuff.</quote> Amazon has it both digital and in paper</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 12/03/18 8:05:55 PM #16:	Zikten posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Coastal_elite posted... mooreandrew58 posted... Coastal_elite posted... @mooreandrew58 posted... It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure. You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City? Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league. I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good. Unfortunately local comic shop closed down and I'm not into pirating stuff. Amazon has it both digital and in paper Not paying for digital and not paying shipping. I'm not THAT into comics Though I may use that to get one issue. Before my local shop closed they had all but one damn issue of a mini 6 issue series. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:913493487] in Reconstruc... [t:77263299]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coastal_elite posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>It combines the story of death of Superman and dark Knight returns then throws lex luthor and wonder woman in for good measure.</quote> You know what I would have loved? A proper superman trilogy. Man of Steel, followed by a Proper Death of Superman, followed by a movie for the Reign of the 4 Supermen (steel, clone, cyborg, eradicator) arc. Can you imagine a movie where Cyborg superman and Eradicator superman duke it out and destroy Coastal City?</quote> Unfortunately I never read that arc. Never been into super man comics but I do have the entire death of Superman arc in graphic novel form. Superman is one of many heroes I don't care for solo I want at the very least Batman alongside him if not the justice league.</quote> I don't really follow comic books in general, but I did like the death of superman arc and knightfall arcs in graphic novel form too. I recommend the supermen arc too (graphic novel form), it was good.</quote> Unfortunately local comic shop closed down and I'm not into pirating stuff.</quote> Amazon has it both digital and in paper</quote> Not paying for digital and not paying shipping. I'm not THAT into comics Though I may use that to get one issue. Before my local shop closed they had all but one damn issue of a mini 6 issue series.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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