Current Events > What if China's social reputation system is actually a good thing?

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The idea of getting credit for social reliability might be a good thing. One could say we basically have the same thing going on with money now, just that the idea that the 'credit' is based on your sociability is not that explicit. Maybe it's best that our currency is considered as a conspicuous extension of social reliability.

8-bit_Biceps posted...

The idea of getting credit for social reliability might be a good thing.

That, in itself is fine. The problem is punishing people for 'bad' behavior creates an Orwellian nightmare.

They punish you for buying too many video games

Dash_Harber posted...

8-bit_Biceps posted...

The idea of getting credit for social reliability might be a good thing.

That, in itself is fine. The problem is punishing people for 'bad' behavior creates an Orwellian nightmare.

I suppose the threat of this social credit system is that you effectively are being punished if those rewarded get to, for instance, have a stab at all the good jobs before you can.

8-bit_Biceps posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

8-bit_Biceps posted...

The idea of getting credit for social reliability might be a good thing.

That, in itself is fine. The problem is punishing people for 'bad' behavior creates an Orwellian nightmare.

I suppose the threat of this social credit system is that you effectively are being punished if those rewarded get to, for instance, have a stab at all the good jobs before you can.

Maybe, but we already do things like hire people and promote them based on their social skills and attitude, so how is that any different?

Dash_Harber posted...

8-bit_Biceps posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

8-bit_Biceps posted...

The idea of getting credit for social reliability might be a good thing.

That, in itself is fine. The problem is punishing people for 'bad' behavior creates an Orwellian nightmare.

I suppose the threat of this social credit system is that you effectively are being punished if those rewarded get to, for instance, have a stab at all the good jobs before you can.

Maybe, but we already do things like hire people and promote them based on their social skills and attitude, so how is that any different?

Well it could be worse if the system isn't finely calibrated to take into account preventing hindering anyone's social/financial mobility. It seems that the system has a greater potential to disadvantage and advantage people because it has more dominion over people's money than the system in place now. It's more explicit if someone's a failure so they will have less of a chance to climb the ladder of employment.

8-bit_Biceps posted...

Well it could be worse if the system isn't finely calibrated to take into account preventing hindering anyone's social/financial mobility.

Well, yeah, any system is a bad system if it's not optimized.

My point was simply that rewarding people for being helpful, polite, kind, etc is a good principle, but punishing people for the opposite is a dangerous precedent.

How much of this is affected by the average person? Like, are you able to give someone a negative mark or whatever for a bad interaction? I feel like that would be a big problem.
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If you speak out against the President, that's a paddlin.
If you speak out against the ruling party, that's a paddlin.
If you use Twitter, and not the closed off Chinese version, that's a paddlin.
If you show China as being anything less than a glorious and benevolently ruled nation in your movie, that's a paddlin.
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8-bit_Biceps posted...

One could say we basically have the same thing going on with money now

No... You aren't barred from public transportation or prevented from traveling to certain parts of the country based on your credit score. Your credit score is also not impacted by things like your political activity. The Chinese government will absolutely be using these social credit scores to go after political dissidents. It's ridiculous that people think these two are even comparable.
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If Trump really wants to make America great again, he should follow China's lead here.
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I do not want shitposting to have real-world consequences. I am a different person offline than on for a reason...
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Humans are fallible.

Any system based on honesty and decency is doomed right at the start.

Also, Nosedive.
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Ilishe posted...

Humans are fallible.

Any system based on honesty and decency is doomed right at the start.

Also, Nosedive.

Why would you cite that episode if you're opposed to the system. That episode shows a wonderful implementation of such a system. I'm sure most people would like to live in such a society.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

Ilishe posted...

Humans are fallible.

Any system based on honesty and decency is doomed right at the start.

Also, Nosedive.

Why would you cite that episode if you're opposed to the system. That episode shows a wonderful implementation of such a system. I'm sure most people would like to live in such a society.

episode of what?

That would 100% be used to punish dissent or any other vaguely deviant behavior.

I can see suburban millennials who grew up playing video games with high speed internet jumping all over this.

Dash_Harber posted...

8-bit_Biceps posted...

The idea of getting credit for social reliability might be a good thing.

That, in itself is fine. The problem is punishing people for 'bad' behavior creates an Orwellian nightmare.

From how I've heard it described, its arguably worse. It preys on that dopamine hit people get from being rewarded for actions. When they signal boost government propaganda, their social score goes up and the citizens treat it like a game. So, it doesnt just discourage them from being disagreeable, it manipulates them into being state puppets.
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8-bit_Biceps posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

Ilishe posted...

Humans are fallible.

Any system based on honesty and decency is doomed right at the start.

Also, Nosedive.

Why would you cite that episode if you're opposed to the system. That episode shows a wonderful implementation of such a system. I'm sure most people would like to live in such a society.

episode of what?

Black Mirror
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Esrac posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

8-bit_Biceps posted...

The idea of getting credit for social reliability might be a good thing.

That, in itself is fine. The problem is punishing people for 'bad' behavior creates an Orwellian nightmare.

From how I've heard it described, its arguably worse. It preys on that dopamine hit people get from being rewarded for actions. When they signal boost government propaganda, their social score goes up and the citizens treat it like a game. So, it doesnt just discourage them from being disagreeable, it manipulates them into being state puppets.

TIL manners were invented by fascists.

If science is real, why talk can we see black things?
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