Current Events > Canada fined dis comic about $40,000.00 for telling a joke.

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LightHawKnight posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

Doom_Art posted...

Why don't you summarize since no one is gonna watch this lol

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?
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HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Bullying that he presumably got paid a lot of money for, seeing as how it was part of his televised special
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I can't believe what I'm hearing...no. Just no.
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OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.
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This is essentially robbing all his fans who want to hear and listen to all the material he's written. It's no wonder why so many great Canadian comedians move to the US.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.

Jokes are funny. They have punchlines.

HenryAllbright posted...

This is essentially robbing all his fans who want to hear and listen to all the material he's written. It's no wonder why so many great Canadian comedians move to the US.

Even they're getting battered by SJWs these days. Don't you dare offend people or hurt their feelings.
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OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.

Jokes are funny. They have punchlines.

You don't find it funny, got it, it was still a joke.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.

Jokes are funny. They have punchlines.

You don't find it funny, got it, it was still a joke.

What was the punchline then?

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.

Jokes are funny. They have punchlines.

You don't find it funny, got it, it was still a joke.

What was the punchline then?

Holy crap.

I'm not the one for this, move on and try someone else.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.

Jokes are funny. They have punchlines.

You don't find it funny, got it, it was still a joke.

What was the punchline then?

Holy crap.

I'm not the one for this, move on and try someone else.

So not a joke. Got it.

Imagine a grown adult crying about bullying...what a pathetic country

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.

Jokes are funny. They have punchlines.

You don't find it funny, got it, it was still a joke.

What was the punchline then?

a punch line is not a requirement of a joke
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TwoDoorPunkCab posted...

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

How can anyone support this? Even if you think the joke was offensive, how can you not support free speech?

It wasn't a joke it was just bullying.

Nah, it was a joke.

Jokes are funny. They have punchlines.

You don't find it funny, got it, it was still a joke.

What was the punchline then?

a punch line is not a requirement of a joke

Wrong.

Raven025 posted...

Imagine a grown adult crying about bullying...what a pathetic country

It's almost like bullying is actually serious.

OctilIery posted...

Wrong.

no im very much right
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OctilIery posted...

Raven025 posted...

Imagine a grown adult crying about bullying...what a pathetic country

It's almost like bullying is actually serious.

When you are 5...

TwoDoorPunkCab posted...

OctilIery posted...

Wrong.

no im very much right

Nope.

Raven025 posted...

OctilIery posted...

Raven025 posted...

Imagine a grown adult crying about bullying...what a pathetic country

It's almost like bullying is actually serious.

When you are 5...

No, for all ages. There's a reason there's such a focus on it in the psychology community

OctilIery posted...

Nope.

yup
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George Carlin was a hero way back in the day when he was told he'd be arrested if he did one of his 'offensive' routines. He did it anyway and was arrested. He fought the legal system and he won. It set a precedent that hey you can't punish people for exercising free speech. It's sad that Canada doesn't extend those similar freedoms to their citizens.

Like really, nobody is forcing anybody to listen to a comedian. Bullying is when you get into somebody's personal space and harass them. A comedian going on stage and telling jokes that the audience expects to be offensive and willingly pays money to go see? That is not bullying. That is a show. That is entertainment. Nobody is forced to go see him perform, so if you are sensitive to certain material, you have the choice to not expose yourself to it.

Just utterly ridiculous.
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frozenshock posted...

Here is the actual court case:

http://canlii.ca/t/hq9d9

[18] In his show, Ward talked about [translation] little Jrmy, [translation] the kid with the sub-woofer on his head. He started by saying that he had defended him against people who were [translation] bitching that he [translation] sang badly, saying, [translation] Hes dying, let him live out his dream. But then, noting that, [translation] Five years later...hes still not dead!, Ward said that he ran into him at a [translation] Club Piscine store and [translation] tried to drown him, only to discover that [translation] hes unkillable. He then summed up Jrmys illness by saying, [translation] Hes ugly! The skit ends with the following: [translation] I didnt know how far I could go with that joke. At one point I said to myself, youre going too far, theyre gonna stop laughing. But no, you didnt... ya bunch of....

[19] In three years, the Mike Ward seXpose live show was presented 230 times, with approximately 135,000 tickets sold. The show was videotaped in December of 2012 and could be downloaded from Wards website in 2013. It was later available on DVD, with 7,500 copies produced.

[21] When Jrmys autobiography was launched, Ward made a video featuring Jrmy.[6] He was described as the [translation] ugly singing kid. It was also stated that Jrmys mouth does not shut completely. Ward also insinuated that Jrmys mother used Jrmys money to buy herself luxury goods.

[22] Ward uses Jrmys image in two more videos. In the first, Jrmy sings a bawdy song.[7] The parties were unable to find and adduce the other video featuring Jrmy, but Ward admits that it exists. Jrmy testified that the video contained jokes about the pope and insinuations of pedophilia.

[26] At school, other students repeated the jokes they heard in Wards videos. Jrmy felt ridiculed and sad. He developed suicidal thoughts. He confided in his singing teacher but hid it from his parents. His grades at school dropped, reflecting his emotions.

He took it way too far and made a lot of money doing it, so I'm gonna go with fair next
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HenryAllbright posted...

Bullying is when you get into somebody's personal space and harass them.

It's a lot more than that. Carlin wasn't bullying. He wasn't targeting anyone specific, and he wasn't being hateful. This was doing both with no greater point to it.

Also, if the entire point of the bit is "these jokes might go too far" you probably shouldn't be shocked when they go too far
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HenryAllbright posted...

Bullying is when you get into somebody's personal space and harass them.

Wrong
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I love these arguments...

"NO!"

"WRONG!"

Either way, the act of forcing a person to pay a fine under penalty of violence for making a joke about somebody is a much, much, much more immoral act than the actual act of making that joke. I mean, it's like 1000x worse.
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HenryAllbright posted...

I love these arguments...

"NO!"

"WRONG!"

Either way, the act of forcing a person to pay a fine under penalty of violence for making a joke about somebody is a much, much, much more immoral act than the actual act of making that joke. I mean, it's like 1000x worse.

LOL no.

eston posted...

frozenshock posted...

Here is the actual court case:

http://canlii.ca/t/hq9d9

[18] In his show, Ward talked about [translation] little Jrmy, [translation] the kid with the sub-woofer on his head. He started by saying that he had defended him against people who were [translation] bitching that he [translation] sang badly, saying, [translation] Hes dying, let him live out his dream. But then, noting that, [translation] Five years later...hes still not dead!, Ward said that he ran into him at a [translation] Club Piscine store and [translation] tried to drown him, only to discover that [translation] hes unkillable. He then summed up Jrmys illness by saying, [translation] Hes ugly! The skit ends with the following: [translation] I didnt know how far I could go with that joke. At one point I said to myself, youre going too far, theyre gonna stop laughing. But no, you didnt... ya bunch of....

[19] In three years, the Mike Ward seXpose live show was presented 230 times, with approximately 135,000 tickets sold. The show was videotaped in December of 2012 and could be downloaded from Wards website in 2013. It was later available on DVD, with 7,500 copies produced.

[21] When Jrmys autobiography was launched, Ward made a video featuring Jrmy.[6] He was described as the [translation] ugly singing kid. It was also stated that Jrmys mouth does not shut completely. Ward also insinuated that Jrmys mother used Jrmys money to buy herself luxury goods.

[22] Ward uses Jrmys image in two more videos. In the first, Jrmy sings a bawdy song.[7] The parties were unable to find and adduce the other video featuring Jrmy, but Ward admits that it exists. Jrmy testified that the video contained jokes about the pope and insinuations of pedophilia.

[26] At school, other students repeated the jokes they heard in Wards videos. Jrmy felt ridiculed and sad. He developed suicidal thoughts. He confided in his singing teacher but hid it from his parents. His grades at school dropped, reflecting his emotions.

He took it way too far and made a lot of money doing it, so I'm gonna go with fair next

We shouldn't hold him responsible for the actions of school kids. This is just a completely ridiculous way of assessing accountability.

It sounds like kids at school bullied him, not the comedian. It doesn't matter if they are repeating something...a comedian is not responsible for people inappropriately repeating their jokes. If I told an offensive joke at work, I'd be held responsible for it, not the comedian I heard it from.

Totally ridiculous.
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OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

I love these arguments...

"NO!"

"WRONG!"

Either way, the act of forcing a person to pay a fine under penalty of violence for making a joke about somebody is a much, much, much more immoral act than the actual act of making that joke. I mean, it's like 1000x worse.

LOL no.

Well, maybe the people of Canada don't feel that way, but it's the very reason we have much more leniency with speech in the USA. People who are smarter than you and I have made these determinations.
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HenryAllbright posted...

eston posted...

frozenshock posted...

Here is the actual court case:

http://canlii.ca/t/hq9d9

[18] In his show, Ward talked about [translation] little Jrmy, [translation] the kid with the sub-woofer on his head. He started by saying that he had defended him against people who were [translation] bitching that he [translation] sang badly, saying, [translation] Hes dying, let him live out his dream. But then, noting that, [translation] Five years later...hes still not dead!, Ward said that he ran into him at a [translation] Club Piscine store and [translation] tried to drown him, only to discover that [translation] hes unkillable. He then summed up Jrmys illness by saying, [translation] Hes ugly! The skit ends with the following: [translation] I didnt know how far I could go with that joke. At one point I said to myself, youre going too far, theyre gonna stop laughing. But no, you didnt... ya bunch of....

[19] In three years, the Mike Ward seXpose live show was presented 230 times, with approximately 135,000 tickets sold. The show was videotaped in December of 2012 and could be downloaded from Wards website in 2013. It was later available on DVD, with 7,500 copies produced.

[21] When Jrmys autobiography was launched, Ward made a video featuring Jrmy.[6] He was described as the [translation] ugly singing kid. It was also stated that Jrmys mouth does not shut completely. Ward also insinuated that Jrmys mother used Jrmys money to buy herself luxury goods.

[22] Ward uses Jrmys image in two more videos. In the first, Jrmy sings a bawdy song.[7] The parties were unable to find and adduce the other video featuring Jrmy, but Ward admits that it exists. Jrmy testified that the video contained jokes about the pope and insinuations of pedophilia.

[26] At school, other students repeated the jokes they heard in Wards videos. Jrmy felt ridiculed and sad. He developed suicidal thoughts. He confided in his singing teacher but hid it from his parents. His grades at school dropped, reflecting his emotions.

He took it way too far and made a lot of money doing it, so I'm gonna go with fair next

We shouldn't hold him responsible for the actions of school kids. This is just a completely ridiculous way of assessing accountability.

It sounds like kids at school bullied him, not the comedian. It doesn't matter if they are repeating something...a comedian is not responsible for people inappropriately repeating their jokes. If I told an offensive joke at work, I'd be held responsible for it, not the comedian I heard it from.

Totally ridiculous.

Actually it sounds like he bullied the kid.

Because he did.

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Bullying is when you get into somebody's personal space and harass them.

It's a lot more than that. Carlin wasn't bullying. He wasn't targeting anyone specific, and he wasn't being hateful. This was doing both with no greater point to it.

So making thousands of people laugh is "no point" to you?
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OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

eston posted...

frozenshock posted...

Here is the actual court case:

http://canlii.ca/t/hq9d9

[18] In his show, Ward talked about [translation] little Jrmy, [translation] the kid with the sub-woofer on his head. He started by saying that he had defended him against people who were [translation] bitching that he [translation] sang badly, saying, [translation] Hes dying, let him live out his dream. But then, noting that, [translation] Five years later...hes still not dead!, Ward said that he ran into him at a [translation] Club Piscine store and [translation] tried to drown him, only to discover that [translation] hes unkillable. He then summed up Jrmys illness by saying, [translation] Hes ugly! The skit ends with the following: [translation] I didnt know how far I could go with that joke. At one point I said to myself, youre going too far, theyre gonna stop laughing. But no, you didnt... ya bunch of....

[19] In three years, the Mike Ward seXpose live show was presented 230 times, with approximately 135,000 tickets sold. The show was videotaped in December of 2012 and could be downloaded from Wards website in 2013. It was later available on DVD, with 7,500 copies produced.

[21] When Jrmys autobiography was launched, Ward made a video featuring Jrmy.[6] He was described as the [translation] ugly singing kid. It was also stated that Jrmys mouth does not shut completely. Ward also insinuated that Jrmys mother used Jrmys money to buy herself luxury goods.

[22] Ward uses Jrmys image in two more videos. In the first, Jrmy sings a bawdy song.[7] The parties were unable to find and adduce the other video featuring Jrmy, but Ward admits that it exists. Jrmy testified that the video contained jokes about the pope and insinuations of pedophilia.

[26] At school, other students repeated the jokes they heard in Wards videos. Jrmy felt ridiculed and sad. He developed suicidal thoughts. He confided in his singing teacher but hid it from his parents. His grades at school dropped, reflecting his emotions.

He took it way too far and made a lot of money doing it, so I'm gonna go with fair next

We shouldn't hold him responsible for the actions of school kids. This is just a completely ridiculous way of assessing accountability.

It sounds like kids at school bullied him, not the comedian. It doesn't matter if they are repeating something...a comedian is not responsible for people inappropriately repeating their jokes. If I told an offensive joke at work, I'd be held responsible for it, not the comedian I heard it from.

Totally ridiculous.

Actually it sounds like he bullied the kid.

Because he did.

Feel free to point out where he directly invaded the kid's space and forced this upon him. Only then will your argument be proven right.
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Bullying isn't just in person.

OctilIery posted...

Bullying isn't just in person.

I guess if we are bending definitions and concepts to fit what we want where we want it to, sure.
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HenryAllbright posted...

OctilIery posted...

Bullying isn't just in person.

I guess if we are bending definitions and concepts to fit what we want where we want it to, sure.

No bending, it's always been that way.

Tell me how this kid was bullied. Let's say no kids bullied him at school and nobody judged him and the kid never watched his routine. How can you say that the comedian bullied him?
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Madfoot, your definition of bullying is objectively incorrect which kills the rest of any argument you wanted to make.
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OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

eston posted...

frozenshock posted...

Here is the actual court case:

http://canlii.ca/t/hq9d9

[18] In his show, Ward talked about [translation] little Jrmy, [translation] the kid with the sub-woofer on his head. He started by saying that he had defended him against people who were [translation] bitching that he [translation] sang badly, saying, [translation] Hes dying, let him live out his dream. But then, noting that, [translation] Five years later...hes still not dead!, Ward said that he ran into him at a [translation] Club Piscine store and [translation] tried to drown him, only to discover that [translation] hes unkillable. He then summed up Jrmys illness by saying, [translation] Hes ugly! The skit ends with the following: [translation] I didnt know how far I could go with that joke. At one point I said to myself, youre going too far, theyre gonna stop laughing. But no, you didnt... ya bunch of....

[19] In three years, the Mike Ward seXpose live show was presented 230 times, with approximately 135,000 tickets sold. The show was videotaped in December of 2012 and could be downloaded from Wards website in 2013. It was later available on DVD, with 7,500 copies produced.

[21] When Jrmys autobiography was launched, Ward made a video featuring Jrmy.[6] He was described as the [translation] ugly singing kid. It was also stated that Jrmys mouth does not shut completely. Ward also insinuated that Jrmys mother used Jrmys money to buy herself luxury goods.

[22] Ward uses Jrmys image in two more videos. In the first, Jrmy sings a bawdy song.[7] The parties were unable to find and adduce the other video featuring Jrmy, but Ward admits that it exists. Jrmy testified that the video contained jokes about the pope and insinuations of pedophilia.

[26] At school, other students repeated the jokes they heard in Wards videos. Jrmy felt ridiculed and sad. He developed suicidal thoughts. He confided in his singing teacher but hid it from his parents. His grades at school dropped, reflecting his emotions.

He took it way too far and made a lot of money doing it, so I'm gonna go with fair next

We shouldn't hold him responsible for the actions of school kids. This is just a completely ridiculous way of assessing accountability.

It sounds like kids at school bullied him, not the comedian. It doesn't matter if they are repeating something...a comedian is not responsible for people inappropriately repeating their jokes. If I told an offensive joke at work, I'd be held responsible for it, not the comedian I heard it from.

Totally ridiculous.

Actually it sounds like he bullied the kid.

Because he did.

And he profited off of it. It's not unreasonable to expect some of that to go to the disabled 12-year-old he was tormenting.
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Man, the dodging of putting this through a process of logic and reasoning is strong in this topic.

Who is madfoot?
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HenryAllbright posted...

Tell me how this kid was bullied. Let's say no kids bullied him at school and nobody judged him and the kid never watched his routine. How can you say that the comedian bullied him?

Because targeted harassment is bullying whether it's in person, online, or said behind their backs.

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Tell me how this kid was bullied. Let's say no kids bullied him at school and nobody judged him and the kid never watched his routine. How can you say that the comedian bullied him?

Because targeted harassment is bullying whether it's in person, online, or said behind their backs.

And what's the negative outcome if the person it's targeted at doesn't ever see it or feel it?
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HenryAllbright posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Tell me how this kid was bullied. Let's say no kids bullied him at school and nobody judged him and the kid never watched his routine. How can you say that the comedian bullied him?

Because targeted harassment is bullying whether it's in person, online, or said behind their backs.

And what's the negative outcome if the person it's targeted at doesn't ever see it or feel it?

Irrelevant, as that's not the case here.

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

OctilIery posted...

HenryAllbright posted...

Tell me how this kid was bullied. Let's say no kids bullied him at school and nobody judged him and the kid never watched his routine. How can you say that the comedian bullied him?

Because targeted harassment is bullying whether it's in person, online, or said behind their backs.

And what's the negative outcome if the person it's targeted at doesn't ever see it or feel it?

Irrelevant, as that's not the case here.

Actually it is relevant, because as I said earlier, the accountability for bullying should be placed on those that are directly making him feel like shit...in other words, the kids at school and whoever else in his life who are making him listen to hurtful words.

The comedian himself isn't causing those negative situations. He is simply an easy target to single out and try and bring down since he is well known and has money. Like I said earlier, if I told a joke at work that hurt my co-worker's feelings, I would be fired for it.

In other words, it's not the comedian's fault if kids at school are repeating what he's saying so that he has to hear them. He absolutely should not be responsible for that.

I mean, what's next...we have comedians giving money to Bill Cosby for directly making fun of him and hurting his feelings?
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HenryAllbright posted...

Actually it is relevant,

No.

okay I guess I am done here.
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HenryAllbright posted...

okay I guess I am done here.

You were done the moment you typed your first word.

*coughing fit of laughter*
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superman 2000 posted...

KainFourteh posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

KainFourteh posted...

Kolibri X posted...

Reminder that "free speech" is not a thing in Canada.

But it is.

Lol nah. This topic is proof enough of that. Free speech means people can say shit you don't agree with and sometimes don't think they should be saying. Free speech means the consequences of saying something stupid come from the society you live in, not a fine from your government. Canada (and the UK) factually does not have free speech.

Except they both do.

This topic is literally proof of the opposite. Quit acting obtuse.

Don't be so hard on him. He's obligated to say that.