Current Events > Did you like wrestling before the Attitude Era?

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Yep
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Yes.

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Yea, its what I grew up with
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Yeah. I liked WCW more though.
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Sure did. The Undertaker's shtick creeped me the fuck out when I was a kid.
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Yeah. I was a big fan of the Mr Backlund gimmick, Luna Vachon and Owen tagging with whoever he was tagging with at the time. Diesel as champion was the most boring shit ever and I stopped watching for most of that era. Before then I used to watch WWF Superstars and NWA on TBS.

I don't think the AE would have been as much fun to watch if you hadn't seen everything leading up to it. There were a lot of payoffs that new viewers probably didn't get.
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It's honestly hard for me to watch pre-Austin WWF. So many dull characters up until 97 or so when he and Rock rose up
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No, I was too young / I'm from the UK where wrestling wasn't as easily accessible to watch. Late 90s wcw sparked my initial interest which didn't last long then got into wwe again in 2016 and since moved on to other promotions.

Ive been watching since the 80s
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Yes, since 1990.
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Since the early 90's yeah. I remember really liking the Macho Man at that time.
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attitude era?

irregardless, i liked it when i was 12.
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Hayame Zero posted...

Yeah. I liked WCW more though.

This. Old school matches like Ronnie Garner VS Ric Flair.
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I am a fan of professional wrestling, not much of a fan of sports entertainment. I prefer WCW before Hogan came.
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KILBOTz posted...

I am a fan of professional wrestling, not much of a fan of sports entertainment. I prefer WCW before Hogan came.

Why were they doing so bad financially during those times?
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Vol2tex posted...

KILBOTz posted...

I am a fan of professional wrestling, not much of a fan of sports entertainment. I prefer WCW before Hogan came.

Why were they doing so bad financially during those times?

No, they wasn't. Ted Turner had ownership of that company. His pockets was deep.
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Bishop9800 posted...

Vol2tex posted...

KILBOTz posted...

I am a fan of professional wrestling, not much of a fan of sports entertainment. I prefer WCW before Hogan came.

Why were they doing so bad financially during those times?

No, they wasn't. Ted Turner had ownership of that company. His pockets was deep.

I mean they weren't profitable.
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I enjoyed the Golden Age, but I am very partial to the Attitude Era. That was the best time for wrestling IMO.

New Generation was very hard to watch, and everything after the Attitude Era killed wrestling for me.
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Early 90's WCW was bad mainly due to the booking committee setup and Ric Flair cockblocking everything that didn't work for him. That's pretty much it. They had a lot of great talent that went unused.
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Ive been rewatching all the raws smack downs and PPVs from like 99-2002. Its corny, so far out there and incredibly forced/predictable at times but I still love it.
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I started watching in the early 90s but most of what I remember is from the late 90s (WWF, WCW, and ECW). I was a big fan of Bret Hart back in the day though.
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I miss the old NWA-WCW Wargames days.
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DoubleDare posted...

Yea, its what I grew up with

Same. But I haven't watched WWE in years. I've been watching Ring of Honor and New Japan for nearly a year now.

Yes, Macho was the man.
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Vol2tex posted...

KILBOTz posted...

I am a fan of professional wrestling, not much of a fan of sports entertainment. I prefer WCW before Hogan came.

Why were they doing so bad financially during those times?

Jim Crockett Promotions went on an acquisition spree because they saw what WWF was doing and knew they had to grow to compete but they grew too fast without the cash to support it. From what I understand they over spent on luxuries as well and took too long to embrace newer revenue streams. Way I always saw it JCP/WCW always was a better at wrestling, WWF was better at business.
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KILBOTz posted...

Vol2tex posted...

KILBOTz posted...

I am a fan of professional wrestling, not much of a fan of sports entertainment. I prefer WCW before Hogan came.

Why were they doing so bad financially during those times?

Jim Crockett Promotions went on an acquisition spree because they saw what WWF was doing and knew they had to grow to compete but they grew too fast without the cash to support it. From what I understand they over spent on luxuries as well and took too long to embrace newer revenue streams. Way I always saw it JCP/WCW always was a better at wrestling, WWF was better at business.

If they didn't acquire Hogan and/or Hall and Nash, would they have gone out of business before the AOL/Time Warner merger?
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Vol2tex posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Vol2tex posted...

KILBOTz posted...

I am a fan of professional wrestling, not much of a fan of sports entertainment. I prefer WCW before Hogan came.

Why were they doing so bad financially during those times?

Jim Crockett Promotions went on an acquisition spree because they saw what WWF was doing and knew they had to grow to compete but they grew too fast without the cash to support it. From what I understand they over spent on luxuries as well and took too long to embrace newer revenue streams. Way I always saw it JCP/WCW always was a better at wrestling, WWF was better at business.

If they didn't acquire Hogan and/or Hall and Nash, would they have gone out of business before the AOL/Time Warner merger?

That is a hard question to answer. I think that wrestling was exploding no matter what and the NWO could have worked without those 3, but it wouldn't have been nearly as big. I heard they wanted Ricky Steamboat as the original 3rd member and I don't think he could have played bad guy well at all. But I think they could have found someone. And in some ways NWO not being as big as it was I think would have helped WCW long term.

AOL would have still pulled the plug unless they were just printing piles of cash, but it doesn't sound like Turner owned WCW ever printed piles of cash, they just burned it.

So I would guess not nearly as high of highs but the product would have never gotten as bad, so maybe in 2001 it would make more sense to let it keep existing, or at least be more attractive to investors other than WWE.
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Hmm.

Without the nWo, or a different initial trio, would Bret go to WCW earlier? Perhaps he gets tired of The Kliq? And then Stone Cold wouldn't have won KOTR since Triple H wouldn't have been punished.

I wish we could see an alternate timeline to see how all of that plays out if Hall and Nash didn't jump.
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My introduction was Wrestlemania 9, so yeah
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My stint with wrestling was very brief. I only watched from like 2000ish to 2003 or so
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Yeah. I vaguely remember being very young and seeing the Undertaker and Paul Bearer.

I also remember seeing some opening to a show that was set on the beach and I think Hulk Hogan was there doing Hogan things. But I can't for the life of me find it now. Maybe just imagined it.
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PowerMang posted...

Yeah. I vaguely remember being very young and seeing the Undertaker and Paul Bearer.

I also remember seeing some opening to a show that was set on the beach and I think Hulk Hogan was there doing Hogan things. But I can't for the life of me find it now. Maybe just imagined it.

Thunder in Paradise?
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Vol2tex posted...

Thunder in Paradise?

No, this was definitely around 91-93. I remember that shit show.

Maybe it was an advertisement for an upcoming PPV or something .
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PowerMang posted...

Vol2tex posted...

Thunder in Paradise?

No, this was definitely around 91-93. I remember that shit show.

Maybe it was an advertisement for an upcoming PPV or something .

Oh
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Been a fan since late 92'. I was 4 then.
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Vicious_Dios posted...

Been a fan since late 92'. I was 4 then.

Probably around the same for me, I did get the 1993 Wrestlemania music video VHS.
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Yes it was awesome. But these days its pretty lame.
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95-96 or so was actually pretty great in hindsight. So many wrestlers were in their prime as performers. Even if the angles weren't that great there were some great matches in that time period and almost no one was coasting by on past prestige.
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Vol2tex posted...

Hmm.

Without the nWo, or a different initial trio, would Bret go to WCW earlier? Perhaps he gets tired of The Kliq? And then Stone Cold wouldn't have won KOTR since Triple H wouldn't have been punished.

I wish we could see an alternate timeline to see how all of that plays out if Hall and Nash didn't jump.

Bret never wanted to leave WWE. He had signed the largest and longest contract because Vince was afraid of him jumping. Then Vince thought he was too expensive. If Hall and Nash never jump, I don't think the 20 year contract is ever offered to Brett. The original contract actually would have expired only 2 years ago. He probably would have gotten shorter contracts more in line with the industry.

If WCW never picked up Hogan and his ilk, I think there is a good chance Austin stays WCW. I think that would have required there to be no Bischoff I think though.

If I had a time machine and total control over WCW I would have put Jim Cornette in as the head booker.
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nope, never liked wrestling even one bit. still don't but I find certain clips amusing and I'm not bothered by others liking it
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KILBOTz posted...

If I had a time machine and total control over WCW I would have put Jim Cornette in as the head booker.

If you had a time machine the best way to save WCW would be to stop Sonny Onoo from making an unsuccessful board game in the 80s. This makes more sense than most will realize.
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SpiralDrift posted...

KILBOTz posted...

If I had a time machine and total control over WCW I would have put Jim Cornette in as the head booker.

If you had a time machine the best way to save WCW would be to stop Sonny Onoo from making an unsuccessful board game in the 80s. This makes more sense than most will realize.

I'm not familiar with that one, care to elaborate?
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KILBOTz posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

KILBOTz posted...

If I had a time machine and total control over WCW I would have put Jim Cornette in as the head booker.

If you had a time machine the best way to save WCW would be to stop Sonny Onoo from making an unsuccessful board game in the 80s. This makes more sense than most will realize.

I'm not familiar with that one, care to elaborate?

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The important part is at about 5:00 but it's worth listening to the first half.
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SpiralDrift posted...

KILBOTz posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

KILBOTz posted...

If I had a time machine and total control over WCW I would have put Jim Cornette in as the head booker.

If you had a time machine the best way to save WCW would be to stop Sonny Onoo from making an unsuccessful board game in the 80s. This makes more sense than most will realize.

I'm not familiar with that one, care to elaborate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43v6NqLqahc" data-time="

The important part is at about 5:00 but it's worth listening to the first half.

Never knew that, thanks! Don't remember if Eric even mentioned that in his book.
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yeah. early childhood was wwf, preteen was wcw, teen was wwf.

though i blame video games more than anything. wrestlemania games were awesome, and then wcw/nwo world tour came out and changed everything
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