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YoshitoKikuchi
11/16/18 7:22:11 PM
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I'm sure the average person can name several Batman villains.

Can the average person name Superman villains other than that black dude?
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ledbowman
11/16/18 7:24:41 PM
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Yeah but it's about Superman anyway. Luthor is a good villain for him, but otherwise, giant robots attacking the city or something works best.
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Kineth
11/16/18 7:26:11 PM
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Metallo
Brainiac
Zodd
Lobo
Doomsday
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thrash_and_burn
11/16/18 7:27:12 PM
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Kineth posted...
Metallo
Brainiac
Zodd
Lobo
Doomsday


Darkseid
Bizarro
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YookaLaylee
11/16/18 7:30:03 PM
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YoshitoKikuchi posted...
I'm sure the average person can name several Batman villains.

Can the average person name Superman villains other than that black dude?

What black dude? His rogues gallery is definitely weak but I can still name some of them. Lex Luther, Braniac, Zod, Bizzaro, Livewire, Toyman
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Zack_Attackv1
11/16/18 7:31:43 PM
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jborgan
11/16/18 7:44:08 PM
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Mongul
Darkseid
Doomsday
Brainiac
Lex Luthor
Bizarro Superman

He has some pretty memorable villains.
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GeneralKenobi85
11/16/18 7:47:45 PM
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I think people don't associate Superman with a filled out Rogues Gallery because many of his villains are enemies of the entire DC Universe. Darkseid is the prime example of that.
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YoshitoKikuchi
11/16/18 8:26:26 PM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
I think people don't associate Superman with a filled out Rogues Gallery because many of his villains are enemies of the entire DC Universe. Darkseid is the prime example of that.


Sounds like a good point.
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IHeartRadiation
11/16/18 8:32:10 PM
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Darkseid murdered a guy and it was the best.
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008Zulu
11/16/18 8:34:05 PM
#11:


Weak physically, mentally, or just a small list in comparison?
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YoshitoKikuchi
11/17/18 9:42:33 PM
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Weak in terms of being notable, like a household name. Darkseid, Braniac, Metallo, Lex, Zodd are pretty good villains but the average person wouldn't know them except Lex and maybe Zodd.
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ledbowman
11/17/18 9:47:36 PM
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As much as I love Fleischer-style Superman conflict, the Lex thread in All-Star Superman and what it says is the best it's ever been done in the history of the character. It's rich.
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ghettoraider81
11/17/18 9:51:08 PM
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thrash_and_burn posted...
Kineth posted...
Metallo
Brainiac
Zodd
Lobo
Doomsday


Darkseid
Bizarro


Parasite
Cyborg Superman
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Garioshi
11/17/18 9:55:06 PM
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Lex Luthor
Darkseid
Parasite
Brainiac
Mongul
Cyborg Superman
Metallo
Bizzarro
Doomsday

All of these characters are black
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TheRealDill2000
11/17/18 10:19:47 PM
#16:


YookaLaylee posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
I'm sure the average person can name several Batman villains.

Can the average person name Superman villains other than that black dude?

What black dude? His rogues gallery is definitely weak but I can still name some of them. Lex Luthor, Braniac, Zod, Bizzaro, Livewire, Toyman

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GhettoFlip
11/17/18 10:26:42 PM
#17:


TheRealDill2000 posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
I'm sure the average person can name several Batman villains.

Can the average person name Superman villains other than that black dude?

What black dude? His rogues gallery is definitely weak but I can still name some of them. Lex Luthor, Braniac, Zod, Bizzaro, Livewire, Toyman


Then wouldn't that make it not weak?

Like, other than Batman and Spider-Man, how many superheros' rogues gallery can you even name 5 from?
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Nomadic View
11/17/18 10:28:32 PM
#18:


Kineth posted...
Metallo
Brainiac
Zodd
Lobo
Doomsday


Lobo is a Superman villian? I dont know a ton about him, but I always thought he was just kinda his own thing.
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RchHomieQuanChi
11/17/18 10:31:54 PM
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Lex Luthor
Bizarro
Brainiac
Doomsday
Darkseid (kinda)
Zod

Superman has a Top 5 Rogues Gallery dude.

It's really only Spider-Man, X-Men, Batman, and Fantastic Four better than his.
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YookaLaylee
11/18/18 12:24:46 AM
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GhettoFlip posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
I'm sure the average person can name several Batman villains.

Can the average person name Superman villains other than that black dude?

What black dude? His rogues gallery is definitely weak but I can still name some of them. Lex Luthor, Braniac, Zod, Bizzaro, Livewire, Toyman


Then wouldn't that make it not weak?

Like, other than Batman and Spider-Man, how many superheros' rogues gallery can you even name 5 from?

The Flash and Invincible lol. I dont know much about Superman or his villains but from what Ive seen all of them are boring, including Lex Luthor
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GhettoFlip
11/18/18 12:25:52 AM
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YookaLaylee posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
TheRealDill2000 posted...
YookaLaylee posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
I'm sure the average person can name several Batman villains.

Can the average person name Superman villains other than that black dude?

What black dude? His rogues gallery is definitely weak but I can still name some of them. Lex Luthor, Braniac, Zod, Bizzaro, Livewire, Toyman


Then wouldn't that make it not weak?

Like, other than Batman and Spider-Man, how many superheros' rogues gallery can you even name 5 from?

The Flash and Invincible lol. I dont know much about Superman or his villains but from what Ive seen all of them are boring, including Lex Luthor


who does the Flash have?
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Skye Reynolds
11/18/18 12:31:42 AM
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This was perhaps the biggest weakness of Superman: The Animated Series. It was a good show, but characters like Parasite, Metallo, and Livewire didn't get you hyped like Clayface, Scarecrow, and Poison Ivy.

They're not bad. They're just sort of acceptable competition. I'm sure the comics have more and better characters that neither Hollywood nor the animated studios ever seem to bother with.
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Skye Reynolds
11/18/18 12:33:52 AM
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I still think the movies could benefit greatly from having a foe like Braniac or Livewire. The latter in particular would be interesting since female villains haven't really had that much exposure in superhero movies. Thor 3, Suicide Squad, and that one Schumacher film being exceptions.
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Gheb
11/18/18 12:41:29 AM
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Luthor
Brainiac
Toyman
Parasite
Bizarro
Mr. Myxlplyx
Atomic Skull
Mongul
Doomsday
Metallo
Henshaw
Silver Banshee
Livewire
Bruno Manheim/Intergang
Kryptonite Man
Zod and his crew
Prankster
Ultraman

Off the top of my head.
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Skye Reynolds
11/18/18 12:47:42 AM
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Gheb posted...
Ultraman


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Gheb
11/18/18 12:51:27 AM
#26:


GhettoFlip posted...
who does the Flash have?


Captain Cold
Mirror Master
Trickster
Captain Boomerang
Pied Piper
Girder
Tarpit
Magenta
Blacksmith
Doctor Alchemy
Peek a Boo
The Turtle
Professor Zoom
Zoom
The Rival
Inertia
Savitar
Cobalt Blue
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Skye Reynolds
11/18/18 12:54:10 AM
#27:


Gheb posted...
The Rival


Okay, that's gotta be the best name for a comic book villain.

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GhettoFlip
11/18/18 1:18:53 AM
#28:


Gheb posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
who does the Flash have?


Captain Cold
Mirror Master
Trickster
Captain Boomerang
Pied Piper
Girder
Tarpit
Magenta
Blacksmith
Doctor Alchemy
Peek a Boo
The Turtle
Professor Zoom
Zoom
The Rival
Inertia
Savitar
Cobalt Blue


those are all nobodies
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TheoryzC
11/18/18 1:22:46 AM
#29:


GhettoFlip posted...
those are all nobodies

This guy calling Professor Zoom and Captain fucking Cold nobodies

I can't even
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Bloodychess
11/18/18 1:25:23 AM
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They are nobodies
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RchHomieQuanChi
11/18/18 1:43:41 AM
#31:


Gheb posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
who does the Flash have?


Captain Cold
Mirror Master
Trickster
Captain Boomerang
Pied Piper
Girder
Tarpit
Magenta
Blacksmith
Doctor Alchemy
Peek a Boo
The Turtle
Professor Zoom
Zoom
The Rival
Inertia
Savitar
Cobalt Blue


Okay, if you guys think Superman's rogues are unrecognizable to casuals, how do you figure ANYBODY is gonna know anyone from this list outside of Reverse Flash?
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Knowledge_King
11/18/18 12:07:46 PM
#32:


For real, Flash's rogues ARE nobodies to most people.

Supes on the other hand has Darkseid, Lex, Brainiac, Zod, and Doomsday at the very least. And I think most people recognize Metallo's design.
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YookaLaylee
11/18/18 2:59:04 PM
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Nobody said that The Flashs villains are more iconic. He said that I probably couldnt name the villains any characters rogues gallery besides Spider-man and Batman. All I said is that I knew some Flash villains. And because of the popularity of the show, Im sure that a lot of people are familiar with his rogues gallery now
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Dash_Harber
11/18/18 3:00:32 PM
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Yeah. It's a combination of Superman being a flying brick that never really loses, and the fact that the majority of his rouge's gallery was established during the Golden Age, which was rather goofy. Unlike Batman, he never really went through a renaissance.
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Blighboy
11/18/18 3:03:20 PM
#35:


I don't think recognizability has anything to do with how good a villain is.

Fucking Thanos was a no name to most people until the MCU.

I'm not intimately familiar with most of Superman's villains so I don't feel comfortable judging.
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Skye Reynolds
11/18/18 3:05:33 PM
#36:


I think it's funny that Superman "never loses" when he has more losses than Batman.

When Superman loses, he's taken down with kryptonite, or beaten up by some superior being, and doesn't get back up. No ambiguity, he lost. When Batman loses, it's usually something like "his plane is shot down, but he immediately gets out of the Batplane, continues pursuit, and defeats his opponent after catching up to him five minutes later."
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Skye Reynolds
11/18/18 3:06:47 PM
#37:


Then again, I can't speak for the comics.

Maybe Batman gets his butt kicked all of the time and Superman shrugs off attacks like they aren't there. In movies and cartoon shows, Batman will never lose a fight if they can somehow weasel a way into it being a draw.
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Gheb
11/18/18 9:09:11 PM
#38:


Superman loses as much as any superhero.

Superman's big issue is that the movies never do anything but Luthor or Zod. He has plenty of good villains, they are just ignored.

Brainiac in particular needs some cinematic love.
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Tyranthraxus
11/18/18 9:12:39 PM
#39:


thrash_and_burn posted...
Kineth posted...
Metallo
Brainiac
Zodd
Lobo
Doomsday


Darkseid
Bizarro

Darkseid is used against Superman a lot but it feels wrong to put him in the rogues gallery. Darkseid is the primary antagonist of New Genesis and Orion. It just so happens that Superman helps out a lot.

The new gods were originally not intended to be part of the dcu but stuff happened. He fits better as a Justice League villain than a Superman one.
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Darmik
11/18/18 9:13:42 PM
#40:


Most rogue galleries outside of Batman and Superman aren't really that known (MCU has made a bit of an impact there too) and Luthor is one of the most iconic villains around so I wouldn't say that.
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BlueBoy675
11/18/18 9:15:51 PM
#41:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Gheb posted...
GhettoFlip posted...
who does the Flash have?


Captain Cold
Mirror Master
Trickster
Captain Boomerang
Pied Piper
Girder
Tarpit
Magenta
Blacksmith
Doctor Alchemy
Peek a Boo
The Turtle
Professor Zoom
Zoom
The Rival
Inertia
Savitar
Cobalt Blue


Okay, if you guys think Superman's rogues are unrecognizable to casuals, how do you figure ANYBODY is gonna know anyone from this list outside of Reverse Flash?

I think literally all of those guys have been on the Flash tv series which is pretty popular. Most people would know guys like Captain Cold and Zoom
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Tsuyoi3
11/18/18 9:19:13 PM
#42:


His most recent movie had Zodd...
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Darmik
11/18/18 9:20:20 PM
#43:


BlueBoy675 posted...
I think literally all of those guys have been on the Flash tv series which is pretty popular. Most people would know guys like Captain Cold and Zoom


Well to be fair Smallville was popular too <_<

Captain Cold and Grodd were both big enough to have statues in the Warner Bros Movie World theme park in Australia thinking about it.
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Shadowplay
11/18/18 9:23:18 PM
#44:


Gheb posted...
Superman loses as much as any superhero.

Superman's big issue is that the movies never do anything but Luthor or Zod. He has plenty of good villains, they are just ignored.

Brainiac in particular needs some cinematic love.

This guy gets it. Superman has one of the most underrated rogue's galleries of any hero.
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Skye Reynolds
11/18/18 9:28:37 PM
#45:


It was refreshing to see Doomsday in Batman v. Superman even if the execution was off. Every other opponent has been Lex Luthor and his shiny glowing rock or an evil Superman. General Zodd, Nuclear Man, Superman's bad alter ego from Superman III, etc.

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