Current Events > C/D: JRPGs are lazy as fuck for not changing your character graphically

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([CONT.]...when it says you have full dragon mail equipped.)

Ive started to grow fonder of JRPGs but this ish is just lazy and mean to the player imo. Half the reward of finding good loot can be how it makes you look cooler/different.
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There are a lot of cute outfits you can equip in the Atelier games

I loved Tales of Symphonia for showing differences.

this stopped being a thing when alternate costumes became the norm back in like the early 2000s.

At least with the 3D Tales games anyway before they figured out they could get more money by making the good majority of them dlc.
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PostCrisisJ2 posted...

this stopped being a thing when alternate costumes became the norm back in like the early 2000s.

At least with the 3D Tales games anyway before they figured out they could get more money by making the good majority of them dlc.

Fuck costumes though, granted I still like DQXI with its costumes but it would be much better with accurate aesthetics of your current EQP.
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Yeah, I sure do love looking like a freak because my best equipment looks like this:

https://rpgmaker.net/media/content/users/947/locker/Subligars.jpg
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Yes, i hate it. I want to change my outfits AND especially haircuts in Persona games

omega cookie posted...

Yeah, I sure do love looking like a freak because my best equipment looks like this:

https://rpgmaker.net/media/content/users/947/locker/Subligars.jpg

Just imagine trying to explain to people that these magical items afford you better protection than standard clothing.
Or would they implicitly understand because they live in a JRPG?

The problem is when stats and what actually looks good clash.

If a game changes your loom with equipment...transmog needs to be included.

Xenoblade had a terrible problem with ugly ass looking outfits.
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No game should ever have stats tied to aesthetics. Definitely have more customization options, but never tie those to stats.
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I accidentally voted no but I meant to vote yes. It's one thing I kind of hate about JRPGs now after getting used to it with western RPGs. It's kind of lame equipping a full suit of armor that looks badass in the picture but on-screen your dude is still wearing a tunic from the beginning of the game. I feel like JRPGs still keep it this way cause they know they can just sell costume sets now.

Yup. I hate how DQ11 doesn't show equipment changes outside of a handful of items.
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No, aesthetic changes should never be tied to stat changes as well.
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Conflict posted...

I wouldn't say lazy because there's usually a shitload of weapons/armor/accessories and it just winds up being a lot of time to devote to cosmetics

yeah but cant the same be said of western RPGs with a lot of loot/items like Diablo a d Bethesda games
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TomNook20 posted...

Yup. I hate how DQ11 doesn't show equipment changes outside of a handful of items.

Thankfully they at least have some costumes, I dont recall that being a thing in VIII
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BLAKUboy posted...

No game should ever have stats tied to aesthetics. Definitely have more customization options, but never tie those to stats.

fair but i think it can be fun depending. like RuneScape and Fable are 2 games where it works well off the top of my head. and id def rather have it like that than no aesthetic changes at all
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pikachupwnage posted...

The problem is when stats and what actually looks good clash.

If a game changes your loom with equipment...transmog needs to be included.

Xenoblade had a terrible problem with ugly ass looking outfits.

Yep. Thankfully, Xenoblade X fixed this with Fashion gear.
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EzeDoesIt posted...

TomNook20 posted...

Yup. I hate how DQ11 doesn't show equipment changes outside of a handful of items.

Thankfully they at least have some costumes, I dont recall that being a thing in VIII

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/583527-dragon-quest-viii-journey-of-the-cursed-king/cheats
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fusespliff posted...

EzeDoesIt posted...

TomNook20 posted...

Yup. I hate how DQ11 doesn't show equipment changes outside of a handful of items.

Thankfully they at least have some costumes, I dont recall that being a thing in VIII

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/ps2/583527-dragon-quest-viii-journey-of-the-cursed-king/cheats

ah nice, i only watched my brother play really, def not as robust as XIs wardrobe though
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pikachupwnage posted...

The problem is when stats and what actually looks good clash.

Last Story let you mix the looks of [thing] with the numbers of [other thing].
...back on Wii. There's no excuse for not doing so anymore, J or W, apart from laziness.

For the life of me I cannot find this comic strip where a knight questions the skimpy armor and the lady takes it off and its like a full armor plate mold of big tits and a bra and its just painted and shit

I died but its gone forever now
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With 2D sprites, it's pretty much impossible. A separate sprite needs to be drawn for every combination of gear for every party member, that's completely unreasonable. It's basic combinatorics. Let's say you have 6 characters, there are 20 weapons, 20 helmets, 20 chest pieces, 20 gloves, and 20 boots. Let's say the walk cycle is 4 frames, in 3 directions (left and right can be mirrored as a bit of a shortcut. That is 230,400,000 frames of animation, and that's for a relatively small equipment pool. Most full fledged JRPGs would have the required number of sprites be well into the billions.
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CircleOfManias posted...

With 2D sprites, it's pretty much impossible. A separate sprite needs to be drawn for every combination of gear for every party member, that's completely unreasonable. It's basic combinatorics. Let's say you have 6 characters, there are 20 weapons, 20 helmets, 20 chest pieces, 20 gloves, and 20 boots. Let's say the walk cycle is 4 frames, in 3 directions (left and right can be mirrored as a bit of a shortcut. That is 230,400,000 frames of animation, and that's for a relatively small equipment pool. Most full fledged JRPGs would have the required number of sprites be well into the billions.

do it for the main char at least
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