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Genocet_10-325
11/09/18 7:52:22 PM
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How much sense does it make to have states like Delaware and Wyoming, which have less than half a million people, have the same amount of power as states like New York and California which have 20 to 40 times the population
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HylianFox
11/09/18 7:54:40 PM
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l AM THE SENATE!
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
11/09/18 7:55:29 PM
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True direct democracy would make 70% of the land mass of the USA pointless.
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PiOverlord
11/09/18 7:56:11 PM
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The house allows the majority say*. The Senate allows restrictions where the majority will hurt the minority.

*except when districts are drawn to be weird on purpose*
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Genocet_10-325
11/09/18 7:56:22 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
True direct democracy would make 70% of the land mass of the USA pointless.

70% of the landmass is nearly uninhabited so who cares?
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Questionmarktarius
11/09/18 7:56:44 PM
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The 17th amendment stripped any real distinctiveness out of the senate anyway.
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LockeMonster
11/09/18 7:57:06 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6zSmtxzwjM" data-time="

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Vicious_Dios
11/09/18 7:58:59 PM
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HylianFox posted...
l AM THE SENATE!


Not yet.
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hollow_shrine
11/09/18 8:00:31 PM
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No. Can you imagine if the house was the only legislative body? Because it has so many members to cover the bad eggs a bunch of them act like children and willfully throw their good sense out the window. The Senate has often been the parent in the room.
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Sabram
11/09/18 8:00:35 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
True direct democracy would make 70% of the land mass of the USA pointless.

70% of the landmass is nearly uninhabited so who cares?

The people who live in lower population areas?
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_Rinku_
11/09/18 8:01:37 PM
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Sabram posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
True direct democracy would make 70% of the land mass of the USA pointless.

70% of the landmass is nearly uninhabited so who cares?

The people who live in lower population areas?

So, the minority should rule over the majority?
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FL81
11/09/18 8:03:14 PM
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if anything, Delware and Wyoming should have more power than New York or California
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Genocet_10-325
11/09/18 8:03:51 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Sabram posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
True direct democracy would make 70% of the land mass of the USA pointless.

70% of the landmass is nearly uninhabited so who cares?

The people who live in lower population areas?

So, the minority should rule over the majority?

That is the republican platform, yes.
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glitteringfairy
11/09/18 8:05:01 PM
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You've officially lost your fucking mind
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andel
11/09/18 8:05:23 PM
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the senate is important. we can have a discussion about how fucked up it is but it definitely shouldnt be abolished
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Genocet_10-325
11/09/18 8:05:37 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
You've officially lost your fucking mind

Explain why the minority should have power over the majority. I'll wait.
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glitteringfairy
11/09/18 8:07:18 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
You've officially lost your fucking mind

Explain why the minority should have power over the majority. I'll wait.

Explain why California and New York should dictate the politics of the entire country. I'll wait
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King_Hellebuyck
11/09/18 8:07:33 PM
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The older I get, the more fucked up it seems that rural areas have such disproportionate amounts of voting power.
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VictimComplex
11/09/18 8:10:11 PM
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I am of the opinion that once Democrats eventually win senate, they reestablish the rules McConnell and Reid nuked. Furthermore work with the Republicans to make it that the nuclear option may only be taken with a supermajority. Also agree to hold all future Presidents to making moderate appointments in the judicial branch.

Judicial branch should NOT be partisan
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Burgess
11/09/18 8:10:55 PM
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VictimComplex posted...
I am of the opinion that once Democrats eventually win senate, they reestablish the rules McConnell and Reid nuked. Furthermore work with the Republicans to make it that the nuclear option may only be taken with a supermajority. Also agree to hold all future Presidents to making moderate appointments in the judicial branch.

Judicial branch should NOT be partisan


Why the fuck would they do any of this.
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Genocet_10-325
11/09/18 8:11:31 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
You've officially lost your fucking mind

Explain why the minority should have power over the majority. I'll wait.

Explain why California and New York should dictate the politics of the entire country. I'll wait

So you refuse to answer my question, got it.
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VictimComplex
11/09/18 8:11:37 PM
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Burgess posted...
VictimComplex posted...
I am of the opinion that once Democrats eventually win senate, they reestablish the rules McConnell and Reid nuked. Furthermore work with the Republicans to make it that the nuclear option may only be taken with a supermajority. Also agree to hold all future Presidents to making moderate appointments in the judicial branch.

Judicial branch should NOT be partisan


Why the fuck would they do any of this.

They won't, but you can't deny that it would benefit the country considerably.
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King_Hellebuyck
11/09/18 8:11:44 PM
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VictimComplex posted...
I am of the opinion that once Democrats eventually win senate, they reestablish the rules McConnell and Reid nuked. Furthermore work with the Republicans to make it that the nuclear option may only be taken with a supermajority. Also agree to hold all future Presidents to making moderate appointments in the judicial branch.

Judicial branch should NOT be partisan

Once the Democrats take power, they should reward the GOP sure aint a smart stance
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Tmaster148
11/09/18 8:12:28 PM
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I think there's a place for the Senate and House. I just think the President should be voted on by popular vote instead of the EC system as I feel the president should represent the people and not the states as the Senate already does that.
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Vyrulisse
11/09/18 8:12:40 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
HylianFox posted...
l AM THE SENATE!


Not yet.

It's treason then.
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s0nicfan
11/09/18 8:12:44 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
You've officially lost your fucking mind

Explain why the minority should have power over the majority. I'll wait.


What do you think 242 years of majority rule looks like in a country that started off as almost exclusively white?
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Questionmarktarius
11/09/18 8:12:48 PM
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VictimComplex posted...
Burgess posted...
VictimComplex posted...
I am of the opinion that once Democrats eventually win senate, they reestablish the rules McConnell and Reid nuked. Furthermore work with the Republicans to make it that the nuclear option may only be taken with a supermajority. Also agree to hold all future Presidents to making moderate appointments in the judicial branch.

Judicial branch should NOT be partisan


Why the fuck would they do any of this.

They won't, but you can't deny that it would benefit the country considerably.

The minority party will always plea for a move to center, then immediately forget doing so once taking over. Repeat with the other party.
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glitteringfairy
11/09/18 8:13:10 PM
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Genocet_10-325 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
You've officially lost your fucking mind

Explain why the minority should have power over the majority. I'll wait.

Explain why California and New York should dictate the politics of the entire country. I'll wait

So you refuse to answer my question, got it.

And you refuse to answer mine. I didn't make the topic the senate should be abolished. Back your shit up or get the fuck out dude
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andel
11/09/18 8:13:44 PM
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the electoral college is what should be abolished tbh
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spudger
11/09/18 8:14:11 PM
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FL81 posted...
if anything, Delware and Wyoming should have more power than New York or California

ridiculous thing to say
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VictimComplex
11/09/18 8:15:43 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
VictimComplex posted...
Burgess posted...
VictimComplex posted...
I am of the opinion that once Democrats eventually win senate, they reestablish the rules McConnell and Reid nuked. Furthermore work with the Republicans to make it that the nuclear option may only be taken with a supermajority. Also agree to hold all future Presidents to making moderate appointments in the judicial branch.

Judicial branch should NOT be partisan


Why the fuck would they do any of this.

They won't, but you can't deny that it would benefit the country considerably.

The minority party will always plea for a move to center, then immediately forget doing so once taking over. Repeat with the other party.

I've been saying this through Obama's Dem majority senate. The judicial branch should be nonpartisan. Lifetime appointments should be an impartial check rather than party lines.
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Questionmarktarius
11/09/18 8:15:45 PM
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FL81 posted...
if anything, Delware and Wyoming should have more power than New York or California

If anything, Delaware and Wyoming should have fuck all to do with what goes on in New York or California, and vice-versa.
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VictimComplex
11/09/18 8:18:51 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
You've officially lost your fucking mind

Explain why the minority should have power over the majority. I'll wait.

Explain why California and New York should dictate the politics of the entire country. I'll wait

Because it's not the state doing the dictating. It's the populace. Look in the Deep South, you'll find liberals. Look in super blue LA. You'll find conservatives.

Where someone lives isn't the end all on their politics. One person, one vote. Give every man his say.
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Nomadic View
11/09/18 8:24:19 PM
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Sabram
11/09/18 10:39:38 PM
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_Rinku_ posted...
Sabram posted...
Genocet_10-325 posted...
Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
True direct democracy would make 70% of the land mass of the USA pointless.

70% of the landmass is nearly uninhabited so who cares?

The people who live in lower population areas?

So, the minority should rule over the majority?

Who said that? You do realize that lower population states already have less representation in the House right? If you get rid of the Senate you're left with just the House, and those two departments of Congress are meant to balance each other, which is why laws have to pass votes in both the house and Senate.
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MrPeppers
11/09/18 11:03:53 PM
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If you have to even ask this question then you fail to grasp some basic concepts about our democratic republic
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Guide
11/09/18 11:04:46 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
True direct democracy would make 70% of the land mass of the USA pointless.


There's a huge point to it. They have crops.
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Garioshi
11/09/18 11:09:33 PM
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The Senate is inherently undemocratic and should be abolished. Anyone employing the Federalist 10 argument apparently doesn't understand that we have a Constitution that lays out rights that cannot be taken away form the minority from the majority. Any argument relying on the minority being oppressed by the majority is invalid. You don't see the nebulous minority in the UK being oppressed by the nebulous majority in Parliament, do you?
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