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11/07/18 2:15:51 PM
#52:


Native Americans used to attack our forts and innocents. Im all for removing the feather hat from the game.
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Megaman50100
11/07/18 2:18:38 PM
#53:


I'm mostly just confused as to how the feather is the locus of the offense.
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AngelSeven
11/07/18 2:20:30 PM
#54:


Nomadic View posted...
Caution999 posted...
The hardcore lefties will never accept this apology from Nintendo. They'll probably still not buy the game.

It's at the point where it's useless to offer an apology.


They werent going to buy it anyway. I just dont understand this trend of appeasing people that arent your customers to the detriment of people that are your customers.

How is removing the feather detrimental to customers?
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CyricZ
11/07/18 2:21:52 PM
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Megaman50100 posted...
I'm mostly just confused as to how the feather is the locus of the offense.

The feathered model itself refers to the Game & Watch game "Fire Attack", a G&W game where you play as a cowboy defending a fort against attacking "Indians" wearing the classic single-feather headdress of the stereotypical "cowboys vs. indians" trope, which is a racial/cultural stereotype and more often than not casts the "indians" as savages.
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Nomadic View
11/07/18 2:47:34 PM
#57:


AngelSeven posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Caution999 posted...
The hardcore lefties will never accept this apology from Nintendo. They'll probably still not buy the game.

It's at the point where it's useless to offer an apology.


They werent going to buy it anyway. I just dont understand this trend of appeasing people that arent your customers to the detriment of people that are your customers.

How is removing the feather detrimental to customers?


The nostalgic value and authenticity of a character being censored.
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Banjo2553
11/07/18 2:48:53 PM
#58:


Nomadic View posted...
The nostalgic value and authenticity of a character being censored.

It doesn't hurt anything when the feather's been removed in subsequent releases of Game & Watch games.
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Nomadic View
11/07/18 2:50:54 PM
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Banjo2553 posted...
Nomadic View posted...
The nostalgic value and authenticity of a character being censored.

It doesn't hurt anything when the feather's been removed in subsequent releases of Game & Watch games.


It wasnt a feature before.
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Megaman50100
11/07/18 2:55:38 PM
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CyricZ posted...
The feathered model itself refers to the Game & Watch game "Fire Attack", a G&W game where you play as a cowboy defending a fort against attacking "Indians" wearing the classic single-feather headdress of the stereotypical "cowboys vs. indians" trope, which is a racial/cultural stereotype and more often than not casts the "indians" as savages.

Sure, I understand that. But I don't understand as to how the feather is what makes that offensive, and removal of the feather makes it less offensive. If the move is a reference to a game that is now deemed offensive, I'm not sure why removal of the feather makes it stop being a reference to an offensive game when it is still clearly a reference to Fire Attack with or without the feather.

Mr. Game and Woke isn't burning down buildings or behaving as a savage or being portrayed as the enemy to a cowboy or perpetuating any of those stereotypes with this move, so why is it offensive that he has a feather now, unattached to any stereotype?

If it is offensive because it references a offensive game, then the entire reference should be removed. In Fire Attack, the characters aren't offensive because they have a feather, they are offensive because they are perpetrating a savage or enemy only stereotype. Removing the feather from the animation as a solution implies that the feather itself is offensive, and actually removes diversity from Game and Watch's design.
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Prestoff
11/07/18 3:01:25 PM
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This is weird, he never had that when he did the fire attack in previous smash games.
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FursonaNonGrata
11/07/18 3:03:18 PM
#63:


Nomadic View posted...
AngelSeven posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Caution999 posted...
The hardcore lefties will never accept this apology from Nintendo. They'll probably still not buy the game.

It's at the point where it's useless to offer an apology.


They werent going to buy it anyway. I just dont understand this trend of appeasing people that arent your customers to the detriment of people that are your customers.

How is removing the feather detrimental to customers?


The nostalgic value and authenticity of a character being censored.


Who the fuck cares? Dont pretend that this singular animation would create so much nostalgia that someone would buy the game for that reason alone. Stop acting like youre stupid just so you can play devils advocate.
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dave_is_slick
11/07/18 3:06:28 PM
#64:


Prestoff posted...
This is weird, he never had that when he did the fire attack in previous smash games.

They changed all his animations to reflect where the move came from.
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Nomadic View
11/07/18 3:40:49 PM
#65:


FursonaNonGrata posted...
Nomadic View posted...
AngelSeven posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Caution999 posted...
The hardcore lefties will never accept this apology from Nintendo. They'll probably still not buy the game.

It's at the point where it's useless to offer an apology.


They werent going to buy it anyway. I just dont understand this trend of appeasing people that arent your customers to the detriment of people that are your customers.

How is removing the feather detrimental to customers?


The nostalgic value and authenticity of a character being censored.


Who the fuck cares? Dont pretend that this singular animation would create so much nostalgia that someone would buy the game for that reason alone. Stop acting like youre stupid just so you can play devils advocate.


Now youre grading the adequacy of the detriment. I merely stated that there was a detriment, not that it would make or break someones decision to purchase it.
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Irregardless
11/07/18 3:43:56 PM
#66:


The funny thing is if Nintendo removed it and never said anything about it no one would even notice.
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Prestoff
11/07/18 3:45:44 PM
#67:


Irregardless posted...
The funny thing is if Nintendo removed it and never said anything about it no one would even notice.


It probably would but it probably wouldn't be made that big of a deal as it is now.
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Darmik
11/07/18 4:10:37 PM
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Irregardless posted...
The funny thing is if Nintendo removed it and never said anything about it no one would even notice.


They've censored the Game and Watch game on the Game Boy Advance game in the past. Nintendo of America probably hadn't picked up on it yet.
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VandorLee
11/07/18 4:11:28 PM
#69:


G&W is black. Very offensive.
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catboy0_0
11/07/18 4:13:38 PM
#70:


CyricZ posted...
Look at that. Slight design change, no longer insensitive, no effect on gameplay.

Sounds like this one's all wrapped--

Oh, I forget that there are people who will get counter-offended just for the sake of it. Sure hope they don't propagate racial and cultural stereotypes in the interest of "mah censorship".

yep lol
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creativerealms
11/07/18 4:14:02 PM
#71:


Caution999 posted...
The hardcore lefties will never accept this apology from Nintendo. They'll probably still not buy the game.

It's at the point where it's useless to offer an apology.

You don't know whining leftists. They complain and still buy things they complain about. That's why you should ignore them.
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Axiom
11/07/18 4:15:19 PM
#72:


Meh. I don't care if it's in or removed. I never noticed it anyway
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catboy0_0
11/07/18 4:15:36 PM
#73:


those pesky SJWs keeping me from being insensitive to people I don't care about!
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11/07/18 4:18:18 PM
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prettyprincess
11/07/18 4:37:42 PM
#76:


Nomadic View posted...
AngelSeven posted...
Nomadic View posted...
They werent going to buy it anyway. I just dont understand this trend of appeasing people that arent your customers to the detriment of people that are your customers.

How is removing the feather detrimental to customers?


The nostalgic value and authenticity of a character being censored.

you think there are more people planning to buy SU that fondly remember Fire Attack and want the original animation (already previously removed AND not in previous Smash titles) than there are people planning to buy SU that think it's an unfortunate and bad stereotype to include?
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Nomadic View
11/07/18 4:39:27 PM
#77:


prettyprincess posted...
Nomadic View posted...
AngelSeven posted...
Nomadic View posted...
They werent going to buy it anyway. I just dont understand this trend of appeasing people that arent your customers to the detriment of people that are your customers.

How is removing the feather detrimental to customers?


The nostalgic value and authenticity of a character being censored.

you think there are more people planning to buy SU that fondly remember Fire Attack and want the original animation (already previously removed AND not in previous Smash titles) than there are people planning to buy SU that think it's an unfortunate and bad stereotype to include?


No. And Ive already addressed this concern in post #65.
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Darmik
11/07/18 4:44:55 PM
#78:


I doubt it has anything to do with appeasing anyone considering this was also removed in every previous Smash Bros game. It was likely overlooked.

Considering the quick response to the reporter it wouldn't surprise me if they already were aware of it and were planning to remove it.

It's Nintendo we're talking about here. This was getting removed regardless. I don't remember anyone complaining about the 'up yours' gesture from the Inkling in Mario Kart 8 and that was randomly removed not long after release.
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prettyprincess
11/07/18 4:51:48 PM
#80:


Nomadic View posted...
Ive already addressed this concern in post #65.

no you didn't
you initially asserted that any of those concerned aren't customers
if you're going to go the cost-benefit approach and value detriment then you have to weigh the actual strength of each for the playerbase, rather than pretend it only exists on one side

I think it's probably pretty likely just given the generational gap that more people purchasing SU would dislike the stereotype (their detriment) than fondly recall and want the original animation (the one you offered up)
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Frosted_Midna
11/07/18 5:06:16 PM
#81:


I hate this generation. Bunch of snowflakes!
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CM_Ponch
11/07/18 5:16:23 PM
#82:


Megaman50100 posted...
CyricZ posted...
The feathered model itself refers to the Game & Watch game "Fire Attack", a G&W game where you play as a cowboy defending a fort against attacking "Indians" wearing the classic single-feather headdress of the stereotypical "cowboys vs. indians" trope, which is a racial/cultural stereotype and more often than not casts the "indians" as savages.

Sure, I understand that. But I don't understand as to how the feather is what makes that offensive, and removal of the feather makes it less offensive. If the move is a reference to a game that is now deemed offensive, I'm not sure why removal of the feather makes it stop being a reference to an offensive game when it is still clearly a reference to Fire Attack with or without the feather.

Mr. Game and Woke isn't burning down buildings or behaving as a savage or being portrayed as the enemy to a cowboy or perpetuating any of those stereotypes with this move, so why is it offensive that he has a feather now, unattached to any stereotype?

If it is offensive because it references a offensive game, then the entire reference should be removed. In Fire Attack, the characters aren't offensive because they have a feather, they are offensive because they are perpetrating a savage or enemy only stereotype. Removing the feather from the animation as a solution implies that the feather itself is offensive, and actually removes diversity from Game and Watch's design.

You're right and I didn't want this ignored
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Darmik
11/07/18 5:18:48 PM
#83:


With the feather he's directly dressed up as the stereotype featured in that game. Without it it's just a fire attack. There's already a version of this game with all of that removed so I suppose it could be seen as a reference to that.
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MrK3V
11/07/18 7:22:09 PM
#84:


Hey guys im back from work. What's going on in here?
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GetWokeGoBroke
11/08/18 4:01:26 PM
#85:


What's the racist element of the move?

Were they complaining about the headdress, or were they complaining about a representation of them using fire attacks?
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