Current Events > Irish politicians trying to copy absurd US abortion laws

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NinjaBreakfast 11/02/18 11:51:32 AM #1:	https://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-law-burial-foetus-4319054-Nov2018/ ANTI-ABORTION TDS have proposed that the remains of a foetus be either buried or cremated following the terminations of pregnancy. Other amendments put forward by the TDs include that it should be an offence for a person to sell or offer to sell a foetus or the bodily remains of a foetus which has been the subject of a termination of pregnancy. They also want women who take abortion pills at home, without the authorised supervision of a medical profession, to be guilty of an offence. At least 24 hours before a termination is carried out, the TDs want it included in the law that a medical practitioner be obliged to perform ultrasound imaging of the foetus and recording of the foetal heart tone. The TDs also want it written into law that the pregnant woman be offered the opportunity to view the active ultrasound image of the foetus and to hear the heartbeat of the foetus, if the heartbeat is audible --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:911666074] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>https://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-law-burial-foetus-4319054-Nov2018/ <quote>ANTI-ABORTION TDS have proposed that the remains of a foetus be either buried or cremated following the terminations of pregnancy. </quote> <quote>Other amendments put forward by the TDs include that it should be an offence for a person to sell or offer to sell a foetus or the bodily remains of a foetus which has been the subject of a termination of pregnancy. They also want women who take abortion pills at home, without the authorised supervision of a medical profession, to be guilty of an offence. At least 24 hours before a termination is carried out, the TDs want it included in the law that a medical practitioner be obliged to perform ultrasound imaging of the foetus and recording of the foetal heart tone. The TDs also want it written into law that the pregnant woman be offered the opportunity to view the active ultrasound image of the foetus and to hear the heartbeat of the foetus, if the heartbeat is audible</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 11/02/18 11:52:30 AM #2:	sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. --- https://i.imgtc.com/3owskMW.png <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:911666128] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/02/18 11:53:58 AM #3:	MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. This is true <cite>Zikten posted [p:911666226] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> This is true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/02/18 11:55:05 AM #4:	Zikten posted... MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. This is true No, they aren't. A woman shouldn't have to go through any sort of shaming or grief for it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:911666286] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> This is true</quote> No, they aren't. A woman shouldn't have to go through any sort of shaming or grief for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 11/02/18 11:55:25 AM #5:	MakoReizei posted... these are human beings and they deserve respect. agreed, women are deserving of respect and not to be criminalised for taking pills in their home, be forced to have a burial etc following an abortion --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:911666306] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> agreed, women are deserving of respect and not to be criminalised for taking pills in their home, be forced to have a burial etc following an abortion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 11/02/18 11:56:59 AM #6:	MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:911666393] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 11/02/18 11:59:56 AM #7:	MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person. They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:911666571] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> <quote>being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person.</quote> They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 11/02/18 12:01:02 PM #8:	Webmaster4531 posted... MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person. They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being. Do you know what dead means --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:911666645] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> <quote>being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person.</quote> They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being.</quote> Do you know what dead means</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 11/02/18 12:02:16 PM #9:	Webmaster4531 posted... MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person. They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being. TIL anyone who doesn't have a name is not a being --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:911666710] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> <quote>being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person.</quote> They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being.</quote> TIL anyone who doesn't have a name is not a being</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/02/18 12:04:37 PM #10:	Why is that bad? I think it's a good thing for people to have a chance to reflect on the big decision they are about to make. I'm sure the number of people who can walk into a clinic and just emotionlessly get it done are very rare. That is going to be a decision that weighs on most people for the rest of their life. The bad laws are the ones that try to apply stupid things to prevent people or the dumb funeral shit. <cite>nemu posted [p:911666859] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>Why is that bad? I think it's a good thing for people to have a chance to reflect on the big decision they are about to make. I'm sure the number of people who can walk into a clinic and just emotionlessly get it done are very rare. That is going to be a decision that weighs on most people for the rest of their life. The bad laws are the ones that try to apply stupid things to prevent people or the dumb funeral shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 11/02/18 12:04:42 PM #11:	Forgot to quote this bit It suggests that woman be requested to view the active ultrasound imaging and hear the sound of the foetal heart tone. Women would have to sign a certificate to state that this was carried out and offered. A medical practitioner who fails to do could face a prison sentence of between 12 months to four years under the proposed amendment. Like seriously wtf --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:911666866] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>Forgot to quote this bit <quote>It suggests that woman be requested to view the active ultrasound imaging and hear the sound of the foetal heart tone. Women would have to sign a certificate to state that this was carried out and offered. A medical practitioner who fails to do could face a prison sentence of between 12 months to four years under the proposed amendment. </quote> Like seriously wtf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/02/18 12:05:30 PM #12:	nemu posted... Why is that bad? Because no woman should be forced through anything to get an abortion. Full stop. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:911666929] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Why is that bad?</quote> Because no woman should be forced through anything to get an abortion. Full stop.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YookaLaylee 11/02/18 12:05:38 PM #13:	Webmaster4531 posted... MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person. They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being. How can it be dead if it was never living? You just admitted that its a being lol --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26gsuNHaqCPgziZYA/giphy.gif <cite>YookaLaylee posted [p:911666934] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> <quote>being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person.</quote> They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being.</quote> How can it be dead if it was never living? You just admitted that its a being lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 11/02/18 12:05:52 PM #14:	I know that you were brutally raped by a gang and that you are only 13, too young to take care of a baby of your own, but look at this picture and listen to these heartbeats, wouldnt it be nice to keep it and be reminded daily of what happened? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:911666958] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>I know that you were brutally raped by a gang and that you are only 13, too young to take care of a baby of your own, but look at this picture and listen to these heartbeats, wouldnt it be nice to keep it and be reminded daily of what happened?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 11/02/18 12:06:08 PM #15:	SageHarpuia posted... Webmaster4531 posted... MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person. They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being. TIL anyone who doesn't have a name is not a being Name someone without a name who's a being? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:911666973] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> <quote>being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person.</quote> They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being.</quote> TIL anyone who doesn't have a name is not a being</quote> Name someone without a name who's a being?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 11/02/18 12:07:38 PM #16:	Webmaster4531 posted... Name someone without a name What --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:911667063] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Name someone without a name</quote> What</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 11/02/18 12:07:40 PM #17:	Webmaster4531 posted... SageHarpuia posted... Webmaster4531 posted... MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person. They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being. TIL anyone who doesn't have a name is not a being Name someone without a name who's a being? --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:911667065] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> <quote>being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person.</quote> They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being.</quote> TIL anyone who doesn't have a name is not a being</quote> Name someone without a name who's a being?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 11/02/18 12:11:00 PM #19:	YookaLaylee posted... Webmaster4531 posted... MakoReizei posted... sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect. being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person. They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being. How can it be dead if it was never living? You just admitted that its a being lol Living means currently alive. Pretty sure they're listed by synonym strength meaning Living is prioritised over Life. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:911667293] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>YookaLaylee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>sounds fair to me. these are human beings and they deserve respect.</quote> <quote>being /biNG/ 1. Present participle of be. noun 1. Existence. "the railroad brought many towns into being" synonyms:existence, living, life, reality, actuality "she is warmed by his very being" 2. The nature or essence of a person.</quote> They don't even have names. Can't call a dead fetuse a being.</quote> How can it be dead if it was never living? You just admitted that its a being lol</quote> Living means currently alive. Pretty sure they're listed by synonym strength meaning Living is prioritised over Life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/02/18 12:11:04 PM #20:	OctilIery posted... nemu posted... Why is that bad? Because no woman should be forced through anything to get an abortion. Full stop. And how many do you think rush into it without even truly thinking it? A google search shows anywhere from 5% to 30% come to regret it depending on the bias they're trying to push. I think taking a second to sit down and reflect on the reality of it is a good thing. It's ultimately her choice, but it is not a choice that should be made without some kind of reflection. <cite>nemu posted [p:911667297] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Why is that bad?</quote> Because no woman should be forced through anything to get an abortion. Full stop.</quote> And how many do you think rush into it without even truly thinking it? A google search shows anywhere from 5% to 30% come to regret it depending on the bias they're trying to push. I think taking a second to sit down and reflect on the reality of it is a good thing. It's ultimately her choice, but it is not a choice that should be made without some kind of reflection.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/02/18 12:12:01 PM #21:	nemu posted... And how many do you think rush into it without even truly thinking it? Literally doesn't matter. That's their choice and they should get to choose exactly how much thought they put into it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:911667362] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>And how many do you think rush into it without even truly thinking it?</quote> Literally doesn't matter. That's their choice and they should get to choose exactly how much thought they put into it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 11/02/18 12:12:18 PM #22:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Clint Eastwood has a name. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:911667388] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> Clint Eastwood has a name.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/02/18 12:12:41 PM #23:	Webmaster4531 posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... Clint Eastwood has a name. That character doesn't. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:911667413] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> Clint Eastwood has a name.</quote> That character doesn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 11/02/18 12:13:40 PM #24:	OctilIery posted... Webmaster4531 posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... Clint Eastwood has a name. That character doesn't. Characters are fiction. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:911667474] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> Clint Eastwood has a name.</quote> That character doesn't.</quote> Characters are fiction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 11/02/18 12:15:41 PM #25:	OctilIery posted... nemu posted... And how many do you think rush into it without even truly thinking it? Literally doesn't matter. That's their choice and they should get to choose exactly how much thought they put into it. Any major elective life altering procedure should come with some kind of buffer period. I'm entirely pro-choice, but I think we're going too far down the rabbit hole of "it's not a big deal." It's a big fucking deal. <cite>nemu posted [p:911667613] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>OctilIery posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>And how many do you think rush into it without even truly thinking it?</quote> Literally doesn't matter. That's their choice and they should get to choose exactly how much thought they put into it.</quote> Any major elective life altering procedure should come with some kind of buffer period. I'm entirely pro-choice, but I think we're going too far down the rabbit hole of "it's not a big deal." It's a big fucking deal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/02/18 12:22:00 PM #26:	nemu posted... Any major elective life altering procedure should come with some kind of buffer period. No. Any major life altering procedure should be GIVEN a buffer period. But if they decide not to, that's their choice and they shouldn't have it forced on them. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:911667979] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>Any major elective life altering procedure should come with some kind of buffer period.</quote> No. Any major life altering procedure should be GIVEN a buffer period. But if they decide not to, that's their choice and they shouldn't have it forced on them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 11/02/18 12:25:32 PM #27:	recording the 'heartbeat' of a foetus and offering women the chance to listen to it and making them sign a certificate to that effect sounds like a totally reasonable way to incorporate a 'buffer' and not at all a way of emotionally exploiting people --- https://imgur.com/nGZeEqw Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:911668208] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>recording the 'heartbeat' of a foetus and offering women the chance to listen to it and making them sign a certificate to that effect sounds like a totally reasonable way to incorporate a 'buffer' and not at all a way of emotionally exploiting people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EndOfDiscOne 11/02/18 12:31:38 PM #29:	The woman is offered the chance, not forced to listen --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:911668569] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>The woman is offered the chance, not forced to listen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OctilIery 11/02/18 12:34:08 PM #30:	EndOfDiscOne posted... The woman is offered the chance, not forced to listen The woman already has the chance, there's no need to question her about it. <cite>OctilIery posted [p:911668716] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>The woman is offered the chance, not forced to listen</quote> The woman already has the chance, there's no need to question her about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 11/02/18 12:34:24 PM #31:	Tyranthraxus posted... Webmaster4531 posted... Name someone without a name who's a being? What Ya see? You can't can you. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:911668724] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Name someone without a name who's a being?</quote> What</quote> Ya see? You can't can you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jborgan 11/02/18 12:44:38 PM #32:	They try to say it's not about punishing women, but then they do shit like this. Pro-lifers suck. --- http://www.last.fm/user/jborgan <cite>jborgan posted [p:911669374] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>They try to say it's not about punishing women, but then they do shit like this. Pro-lifers suck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/02/18 1:28:21 PM #33:	So something with a heartbeat isn't alive? <cite>Zikten posted [p:911671961] in Irish poli... [t:77162369]...</cite> <quote>So something with a heartbeat isn't alive?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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