Current Events > Trump's going to force the SC to rule on Birthright Citizenship via an EO

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Bio1590
10/30/18 1:17:51 PM
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https://www.axios.com/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-0cf4285a-16c6-48f2-a933-bd71fd72ea82.html

Basically he plans on signing an Executive Order with the intention that children born to non-citizens or unauthorized immigrants on US soil no longer automatically become US citizens.

Despite what the 14th ammendment may or may not say, there has never been a specific ruling as to whether it actually applies to unauthorized immigrants. The Supreme Court has ruled that Children born to legal residents who are non-citizens do have citizenship, so if they changed their ruling on that it would reverse a prior ruling.

No one really knows if he can actually do this.
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Blue_Inigo
10/30/18 1:18:34 PM
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Fuck this piece of shit
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wackyteen
10/30/18 1:18:38 PM
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Watch the SC tell Trump to sit down and shut the fuck up
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ThePrinceFish
10/30/18 1:19:45 PM
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Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.
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The Great Muta 22
10/30/18 1:20:02 PM
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I'm curious to see how Gorsuch would rule here, what with him being such a "Constitutionalist" and such.
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Irregardless
10/30/18 1:20:44 PM
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wackyteen posted...
Watch the SC tell Trump to sit down and shut the fuck up

Yeah I'm sure the two goons he put on it will totally vote against him
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Bio1590
10/30/18 1:21:48 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.

I do believe it should end (Canada also follows jus soli) however this is not the way to do it.
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The Great Muta 22
10/30/18 1:22:39 PM
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Irregardless posted...
wackyteen posted...
Watch the SC tell Trump to sit down and shut the fuck up

Yeah I'm sure the two goons he put on it will totally vote against him


I mean, it has happened before and likely would happen again, with at least one of them. SCOTUS history is loaded with Justices that are put there by republican presidents who then go against their own party and vote with the other side, especially in cases that involve interpretation of the Constitution and precedence.
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Bio1590
10/30/18 1:23:42 PM
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Irregardless posted...
wackyteen posted...
Watch the SC tell Trump to sit down and shut the fuck up

Yeah I'm sure the two goons he put on it will totally vote against him

There's two parts here:

1. Can Trump even do this
2. How does it apply to unauthorized immigrants

We'd have to get the answer to 1 first before moving on to 2.
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southcoast09
10/30/18 1:24:13 PM
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I dont think you guys realize the effect that chain migration has on a nation. Hes not saying that nobody can immigrate, but the vast majority of the general public has been very vocal about ending chain migration. This has been on his agenda from day one.
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Blue_Inigo
10/30/18 1:27:19 PM
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The 14th amendment is pretty cut and dry about this. Only some dumbass racist like Trump would try to challenge it
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Bio1590
10/30/18 1:29:17 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
but the vast majority of the general public has been very vocal about ending chain migration.

What's your source other than your asshole
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UnholyMudcrab
10/30/18 1:29:53 PM
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I can't even fathom why he would choose to do a dumbass thing like this so close to election day
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BLAKUboy
10/30/18 1:30:12 PM
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Kavanaugh's the only Justice that might go along with this, seeing as he obviously believes he's supposed to just slurp Daddy Trump for the rest of his career. Gorsuch has already sided with the liberals on immigration.
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Bloodychess
10/30/18 1:33:37 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.

I do believe it should end (Canada also follows jus soli) however this is not the way to do it.

No, but considering Trump is hitting Democrats right in the voting block, I'd say this is the only way to do it.

Unless people believe those children who earned citizenship at birth are going to vote red when they grow up.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/30/18 1:40:46 PM
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Trump should be hanged for treason for trying this.
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southcoast09
10/30/18 1:41:41 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Trump should be hanged for treason for trying this.

actually a bunch of the people in the liberal courts should hang for treason. Trying to ruin our country because you dislike our president? Sour grapes, bro.
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Bio1590
10/30/18 1:43:06 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Trump should be hanged for treason for trying this.

actually a bunch of the people in the liberal courts should hang for treason. Trying to ruin our country because you dislike our president? Sour grapes, bro.

This is a bad troll job
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Tmaster148
10/30/18 1:43:09 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Trump should be hanged for treason for trying this.

actually a bunch of the people in the liberal courts should hang for treason. Trying to ruin our country because you dislike our president? Sour grapes, bro.


So exactly what Trump did.
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The Great Muta 22
10/30/18 1:46:43 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
Bio1590 posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.

I do believe it should end (Canada also follows jus soli) however this is not the way to do it.

No, but considering Trump is hitting Democrats right in the voting block, I'd say this is the only way to do it.

Unless people believe those children who earned citizenship at birth are going to vote red when they grow up.


It literally doesn't matter how, or even if, they vote.

But at least you admit it's not actually about any effort in "closing a loophole" or the plethora of excuses your fellow supporters have claimed and that you acknowledge it as an effort to kick out people who you think vote differently than you.
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Phantom_Nook
10/30/18 1:53:20 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
southcoast09 posted...
but the vast majority of the general public has been very vocal about ending chain migration.

What's your source other than your asshole

That's his source for everything.
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King_Hellebuyck
10/30/18 1:55:59 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
I can't even fathom why he would choose to do a dumbass thing like this so close to election day

Because its riles up anti-immigration voters
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 1:59:12 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
https://www.axios.com/trump-birthright-citizenship-executive-order-0cf4285a-16c6-48f2-a933-bd71fd72ea82.html

Basically he plans on signing an Executive Order with the intention that children born to non-citizens or unauthorized immigrants on US soil no longer automatically become US citizens.

Despite what the 14th ammendment may or may not say, there has never been a specific ruling as to whether it actually applies to unauthorized immigrants. The Supreme Court has ruled that Children born to legal residents who are non-citizens do have citizenship, so if they changed their ruling on that it would reverse a prior ruling.

No one really knows if he can actually do this.


Wow, he will actually subject PERMANENT RESIDENTS and people in stuff like Einstein visas to leave the country because their children can't stay here or dump them in a country they don't really know.

This is such a dark period in our history.
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 2:00:07 PM
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@ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.


Why don't you join the rest of the world in rejecting white supremacy first?
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ThePrinceFish
10/30/18 2:00:34 PM
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Coastal_elite posted...
@ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.


Why don't you join the rest of the world in rejecting white supremacy first?

White supremacy is disgusting and runs counter to the ideals of America.

So fuck you.
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 2:01:11 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
I dont think you guys realize the effect that chain migration has on a nation. Hes not saying that nobody can immigrate, but the vast majority of the general public has been very vocal about ending chain migration. This has been on his agenda from day one.


This has fucking nothing to do with chain migration. Are you that ignorant?

Chain migration is a pejorative term used by cheeto bandito to refer to family reunification, e.g. sponsoring relatives, it is not related to birth right citizenship
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 2:02:42 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...


So fuck you.


lmao at least have the balls to admit I hit your sensitive nerd, Mr. Spencer
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ThePrinceFish
10/30/18 2:05:22 PM
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Coastal_elite posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...


So fuck you.


lmao at least have the balls to admit I hit your sensitive nerd, Mr. Spencer

"You're a white supremacist"
"White supremacy is disgusting"
"yeah okay stay mad Richard Spencer"

high quality stuff here
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 2:07:32 PM
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Why are you mad, richard prince fish? lol
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Very_Unreliable
10/30/18 2:07:43 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.

Thank you.
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Antifar
10/30/18 2:10:53 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...

White supremacy runs counter to the ideals of America.

*sucking wind through teeth*
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Polycosm
10/30/18 2:14:54 PM
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The first section of the 14th has only ever been interpreted and applied in one way since its inception. All children born under US jurisdiction are citizens, period. It's even more clear cut than the 2nd, of which I'm a staunch defender. I'd better not hear any of my fellow 2A supporters start arguing over the meaning of the phrase "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."
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Bio1590
10/30/18 2:24:25 PM
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Antifar posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...

White supremacy runs counter to the ideals of America.

*sucking wind through teeth*

lmao
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Kineth
10/30/18 2:26:31 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Antifar posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...

White supremacy runs counter to the ideals of America.

*sucking wind through teeth*

lmao

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pauIie
10/30/18 2:33:33 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck this piece of shit

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CableZL
10/30/18 2:35:10 PM
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southcoast09 posted...
I dont think you guys realize the effect that chain migration has on a nation. Hes not saying that nobody can immigrate, but the vast majority of the general public has been very vocal about ending chain migration. This has been on his agenda from day one.


Melania's parents are citizens due to chain migration.
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P4wn4g3
10/30/18 2:37:50 PM
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CableZL posted...
southcoast09 posted...
I dont think you guys realize the effect that chain migration has on a nation. Hes not saying that nobody can immigrate, but the vast majority of the general public has been very vocal about ending chain migration. This has been on his agenda from day one.


Melania's parents are citizens due to chain migration.

I do wish them an infinitely unhappy marriage.
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
10/30/18 2:38:15 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
I can't even fathom why he would choose to do a dumbass thing like this so close to election day

I hope this is sarcasm.

In case it's not, he's doing this BECAUSE it's close to Election Day. Keeps the immigration issue fresh in the minds of the pearl-clutching GOP constituency.
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Hawaiian_punch
10/30/18 2:39:02 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Coastal_elite posted...
@ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.


Why don't you join the rest of the world in rejecting white supremacy first?

White supremacy is disgusting and runs counter to the ideals of America.

So fuck you.


Why can this guy tell me fuck you and I get moderated for it, mods!?
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King_Hellebuyck
10/30/18 2:40:32 PM
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Hawaiian_punch posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Coastal_elite posted...
@ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.


Why don't you join the rest of the world in rejecting white supremacy first?

White supremacy is disgusting and runs counter to the ideals of America.

So fuck you.


Why can this guy tell me fuck you and I get moderated for it, mods!?

Dude you called him a Klansman
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 2:44:13 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Coastal_elite posted...
@ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.


Why don't you join the rest of the world in rejecting white supremacy first?

White supremacy is disgusting and runs counter to the ideals of America.

So fuck you.


Why can this guy tell me fuck you and I get moderated for it, mods!?

Dude you called him a Klansman


he told him to go fuck himself
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BLAKUboy
10/30/18 2:47:33 PM
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Don't engage with the usual suspects and you won't be modded when they drag you down to their level.
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 2:47:59 PM
#44:


BLAKUboy posted...
Don't engage with the usual suspects and you won't be modded when they drag you down to their level.


what does that say about the mods, though?
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King_Hellebuyck
10/30/18 2:49:46 PM
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Coastal_elite posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Coastal_elite posted...
@ThePrinceFish posted...
Can't wait to join the rest of the world in jus sanguinis.


Why don't you join the rest of the world in rejecting white supremacy first?

White supremacy is disgusting and runs counter to the ideals of America.

So fuck you.


Why can this guy tell me fuck you and I get moderated for it, mods!?

Dude you called him a Klansman


he told him to go fuck himself

But thats not what ROD got modded for. He got modded for calling that dude a Klanman.
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voldothegr8
10/30/18 2:49:58 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck this piece of shit

Fuck illegals creating anchor babies
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creativerealms
10/30/18 2:54:22 PM
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Everyone should have seen this coming.
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creativerealms
10/30/18 2:54:56 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Fuck this piece of shit

Fuck illegals creating anchor babies

But those babies are American citizens.
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ThyCorndog
10/30/18 2:56:35 PM
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is it retroactive or just everyone born here to non citizens going forward?

bad either way but still wanna know
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Coastal_elite
10/30/18 3:01:00 PM
#50:


ThyCorndog posted...
is it retroactive or just everyone born here to non citizens going forward?

bad either way but still wanna know


it never ends.

It may begin going forward until some poor bastard tries to renew his passport and they ask him to prove that either of his parents was a citizen, and they died 4 decades ago
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MorbidFaithless
10/30/18 3:06:30 PM
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This is not the America I was raised in. I was always taught that America is the land of the free, where everyone is equal and everyone has an opportunity. Being born on American soil makes you an American, period.

This is disgusting.
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