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Kombucha 10/28/18 10:45:59 PM #1:	Would you be in favor of giving NZ border officials your passwords? - Results (3 votes) Yes 0% (0 votes) 0 No 100% (3 votes) 3 A little old but still relevant (Oct 2nd) Fork Over Passwords or Pay the Price, New Zealand Tells Travelers Travelers entering New Zealand who refuse to disclose passwords for their digital devices during forced searches could face prosecution and fines of more than $3,000, a move that border officials said Tuesday made the country the first to impose such penalties. Were not aware of any other country that has legislated for the potential of a penalty to be applied if people do not divulge their passwords, said Terry Brown, a New Zealand Customs spokesman. Border officials, he said, believe the new fine is an appropriate remedy aimed at balancing individuals privacy and national security. In New Zealand as in many other countries, including the United States customs officers were already legally permitted to search cellphones and other digital devices as they would luggage, and to seize devices for forensic examination if they were believed to contain evidence of criminal activity. But the law did not previously compel travelers to open their devices for inspection, either by entering a password or using biometric data like thumbprints or facial scans. As of this week, travelers who fail to unlock their devices risk prosecution and potential fines of 5,000 New Zealand dollars, about $3,295. The law applies to both foreign visitors and returning New Zealand citizens. Source/More Reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/world/asia/new-zealand-passwords-devices.html Do you think this is a good balance between privacy and security? Would this impact your willingness to travel to New Zealand in the future as a tourist or for business? Do you think other countries should adopt or avoid this? --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911358176] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote> Would you be in favor of giving NZ border officials your passwords? - Results (3 votes) Yes 0% (0 votes) 0 No 100% (3 votes) 3 A little old but still relevant (Oct 2nd) Fork Over Passwords or Pay the Price, New Zealand Tells Travelers <quote>Travelers entering New Zealand who refuse to disclose passwords for their digital devices during forced searches could face prosecution and fines of more than $3,000, a move that border officials said Tuesday made the country the first to impose such penalties. Were not aware of any other country that has legislated for the potential of a penalty to be applied if people do not divulge their passwords, said Terry Brown, a New Zealand Customs spokesman. Border officials, he said, believe the new fine is an appropriate remedy aimed at balancing individuals privacy and national security. In New Zealand as in many other countries, including the United States customs officers were already legally permitted to search cellphones and other digital devices as they would luggage, and to seize devices for forensic examination if they were believed to contain evidence of criminal activity. But the law did not previously compel travelers to open their devices for inspection, either by entering a password or using biometric data like thumbprints or facial scans. As of this week, travelers who fail to unlock their devices risk prosecution and potential fines of 5,000 New Zealand dollars, about $3,295. The law applies to both foreign visitors and returning New Zealand citizens.</quote> Source/More Reading: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/world/asia/new-zealand-passwords-devices.html Do you think this is a good balance between privacy and security? Would this impact your willingness to travel to New Zealand in the future as a tourist or for business? Do you think other countries should adopt or avoid this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/28/18 10:46:55 PM #2:	That's fucking stupid. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:911358224] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote>That's fucking stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 10/29/18 7:38:33 AM #3:	Yeah, I will still visit at some point because NZ is such a beautiful place. I imagine I'll just wipe everything before crossing and keep it in the cloud and restore after, guessing they image devices like everyone other country does at border crossings. --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911374594] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I will still visit at some point because NZ is such a beautiful place. I imagine I'll just wipe everything before crossing and keep it in the cloud and restore after, guessing they image devices like everyone other country does at border crossings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssj3vegeta_ 10/29/18 7:45:47 AM #4:	I wonder how many nudes of hot chicks dey got --- https://imgur.com/P88EYmN https://imgur.com/qxu2L01 https://imgur.com/1kMCL https://imgur.com/mvXIh0Q <cite>ssj3vegeta_ posted [p:911374791] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many nudes of hot chicks dey got</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 10/29/18 7:46:38 AM #5:	How is that a balance? "Give us your passwords or pay a fine, your choice." --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:911374808] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote>How is that a balance? "Give us your passwords or pay a fine, your choice."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nidhoggr 10/29/18 7:48:47 AM #6:	It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair. <cite>Nidhoggr posted [p:911374861] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote>It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 10/29/18 7:50:32 AM #7:	ssj3vegeta_ posted... I wonder how many nudes of hot chicks dey got All the nudes Paragon21XX posted... How is that a balance? "Give us your passwords or pay a fine, your choice." It's not. It's also weird to see people bend over in other western countries and accept the idea that if they leave their country they should be subject to having their phones unlocked/searched upon return (speaking in regard to NZ citizens here). I guess NZ isn't big on the idea of having privacy rights. --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911374896] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>ssj3vegeta_ posted...</cite> <quote>I wonder how many nudes of hot chicks dey got</quote> All the nudes <cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>How is that a balance? "Give us your passwords or pay a fine, your choice."</quote> It's not. It's also weird to see people bend over in other western countries and accept the idea that if they leave their country they should be subject to having their phones unlocked/searched upon return (speaking in regard to NZ citizens here). I guess NZ isn't big on the idea of having privacy rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
QueenCarly 10/29/18 7:51:17 AM #8:	Nidhoggr posted... It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair. Lol --- https://media.giphy.com/media/26AHNHoZ6XnXX2fhC/giphy.gif <cite>QueenCarly posted [p:911374916] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nidhoggr posted...</cite> <quote>It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair.</quote> Lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 10/29/18 7:51:28 AM #9:	Nidhoggr posted... It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair. Don't bite. --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911374919] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nidhoggr posted...</cite> <quote>It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair.</quote> Don't bite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nidhoggr 10/29/18 7:58:15 AM #10:	QueenCarly posted... Nidhoggr posted... It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair. Lol Kombucha posted... Nidhoggr posted... It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair. Don't bite. How am I wrong? <cite>Nidhoggr posted [p:911375082] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nidhoggr posted...</cite> <quote>It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair.</quote> Lol</quote> <cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nidhoggr posted...</cite> <quote>It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair.</quote> Don't bite.</quote> How am I wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 10/29/18 8:00:40 AM #11:	Nidhoggr posted... QueenCarly posted... Nidhoggr posted... It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair. Lol Kombucha posted... Nidhoggr posted... It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair. Don't bite. How am I wrong? https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565 --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911375124] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nidhoggr posted...</cite> <quote><cite>QueenCarly posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nidhoggr posted...</cite> <quote>It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair.</quote> Lol</quote> <cite>Kombucha posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nidhoggr posted...</cite> <quote>It only affects people who have something to hide. So fair.</quote> Don't bite.</quote> How am I wrong?</quote> https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=998565</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 10/29/18 8:20:46 AM #12:	Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:911375662] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote>Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StucklnMyPants 10/29/18 8:37:13 AM #13:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this. Abroad? You're better off staying in your house. https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/border-patrol-updated-electronics-search-policy --- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. <cite>StucklnMyPants posted [p:911376195] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this.</quote> Abroad? You're better off staying in your house. https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/border-patrol-updated-electronics-search-policy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 10/29/18 8:40:56 AM #14:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this. What I've picked up is that basically the rule of thumb when crossing any border is to wipe your phone and have it backed up somewhere in the cloud with a service you trust. After you've crossed redownload everything, depending on your mobile platform setting everything up again could be a huge pain in the ass or easy. Also generally I've heard it is responsible to use a VPN while traveling because as a foreigner you have no privacy rights afforded to citizens of that country. Generally speaking you should redownload everything over VPN. https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/07/crossing-us-border-heres-how-securely-wipe-your-computer --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911376305] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this.</quote> What I've picked up is that basically the rule of thumb when crossing any border is to wipe your phone and have it backed up somewhere in the cloud with a service you trust. After you've crossed redownload everything, depending on your mobile platform setting everything up again could be a huge pain in the ass or easy. Also generally I've heard it is responsible to use a VPN while traveling because as a foreigner you have no privacy rights afforded to citizens of that country. Generally speaking you should redownload everything over VPN. https://www.eff.org/wp/digital-privacy-us-border-2017 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/07/crossing-us-border-heres-how-securely-wipe-your-computer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 10/29/18 8:48:08 AM #15:	Joke's on them, my phone doesn't have a password. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:911376525] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote>Joke's on them, my phone doesn't have a password.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 10/29/18 9:00:00 AM #16:	StucklnMyPants posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this. Abroad? You're better off staying in your house. https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/border-patrol-updated-electronics-search-policy The best timeline. Travelers who refuse to give their passwords may be denied access into the country and have their devices detained for up to a week. The agency will also be able to store data and password information indefinitely --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911376888] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>StucklnMyPants posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a checklist of quasi fascism nonsense to lookup before traveling abroad? I'd hate to travel to what I think is a free western democracy and then suddenly encounter something like this.</quote> Abroad? You're better off staying in your house. https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-news/border-patrol-updated-electronics-search-policy</quote> The best timeline. <quote>Travelers who refuse to give their passwords may be denied access into the country and have their devices detained for up to a week. The agency will also be able to store data and password information indefinitely</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kombucha 10/29/18 1:18:03 PM #17:	1337toothbrush posted... Joke's on them, my phone doesn't have a password. rekt --- http://www.last.fm/user/walkingishonest <cite>Kombucha posted [p:911389986] in Fork Over ... [t:77143506]...</cite> <quote><cite>1337toothbrush posted...</cite> <quote>Joke's on them, my phone doesn't have a password.</quote> rekt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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