Current Events > Jair Bolsonaro, Fascist, Elected President of Brazil

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RebelElite791 posted...

Bolsonaro is not "mainstream right" by any definition of the term. Shut the fuck up Tails.

Maeiv posted...

Ever since Duterte got elected, it feels as though nationalism has been on the rise throughout the world.

Yeah, no kidding. It's kind of scary seeing that so much of the world wants to go backwards.
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https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2018/10/26/18029696/brazilian-police-interrogate-professors
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/10/26/world/americas/ap-lt-brazil-elections-bar-association.html

...Yikes.

Also, fun fact, Bozo has pledged to completely open the Amazon to private industry, and remove protections for nature and the indigenous. Cool.
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RebelElite791 posted...

Also, fun fact, Bozo has pledged to completely open the Amazon to private industry, and remove protections for nature and the indigenous. Cool.

This guy is Trump 2.0.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Also, fun fact, Bozo has pledged to completely open the Amazon to private industry, and remove protections for nature and the indigenous. Cool.

This guy is Trump 2.0.

How does he feel about race though? I mean a white supremacist in a majority non-white country wouldnt do that well would he? Lol

That would be his one difference with 45?

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Also, fun fact, Bozo has pledged to completely open the Amazon to private industry, and remove protections for nature and the indigenous. Cool.

This guy is Trump 2.0.

How does he feel about race though? I mean a white supremacist in a majority non-white country wouldnt do that well would he? Lol

That would be his one difference with 45?

...Brazil is like half white.

And Bozo is a massive racist. He once said black Brazilians "aren't even good for breeding anymore" in discussing how useless he thinks they are.
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Have we learned anything? We have nearly 100 years to reflect on why fascism is a fucking joke and we still get Nazi scum championing it? I mean, to be that willfully ignorant of the philosophy almost makes you worse than the people who were duped by it the first time.

Dash_Harber posted...

Have we learned anything? We have nearly 100 years to reflect on why fascism is a fucking joke and we still get Nazi scum championing it? I mean, to be that willfully ignorant of the philosophy almost makes you worse than the people who were duped by it the first time.

It really is pretty scary how little people remember or care about our actually very recent history (in the grand scope of humanity).
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RebelElite791 posted...

Hawaiian_punch posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Also, fun fact, Bozo has pledged to completely open the Amazon to private industry, and remove protections for nature and the indigenous. Cool.

This guy is Trump 2.0.

How does he feel about race though? I mean a white supremacist in a majority non-white country wouldnt do that well would he? Lol

That would be his one difference with 45?

...Brazil is like half white.

And Bozo is a massive racist. He once said black Brazilians "aren't even good for breeding anymore" in discussing how useless he thinks they are.

Half white by Brazilian standards I guess?

I mean you do have very white people like Gisele bundchen but then you got people who are white there but would be brown in America

Dash_Harber posted...

Have we learned anything? We have nearly 100 years to reflect on why fascism is a fucking joke and we still get Nazi scum championing it? I mean, to be that willfully ignorant of the philosophy almost makes you worse than the people who were duped by it the first time.

We let things get bad enough that this haolened again though...
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RebelElite791 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Have we learned anything? We have nearly 100 years to reflect on why fascism is a fucking joke and we still get Nazi scum championing it? I mean, to be that willfully ignorant of the philosophy almost makes you worse than the people who were duped by it the first time.

It really is pretty scary how little people remember or care about our actually very recent history (in the grand scope of humanity).

Wel said guys

RebelElite791 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Have we learned anything? We have nearly 100 years to reflect on why fascism is a fucking joke and we still get Nazi scum championing it? I mean, to be that willfully ignorant of the philosophy almost makes you worse than the people who were duped by it the first time.

It really is pretty scary how little people remember or care about our actually very recent history (in the grand scope of humanity).

Yeah, and worst of all, it's not like it was some sort of secret. The Nazi war crimes were publicly shown for all to see. I mean, maybe in the case of Japan's horrific actions it'd be hard to see, but even that is pretty common knowledge, and it's pretty much impossible to understand what fascism is without understanding the undeniable hand that the Nazis had in its proliferation.

CrimsonRage posted...

Zikten posted...

isn't there a CEman that lives there?

there used to be one that was gay and talked about how much he hated living in brazil. i imagine he's hating it a little more now.

I hope he gets out of there, this dude has some pretty bad quotes about gays and I wouldn't be surprised if he looks to start purging them.
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Goodbye Amazon rainforest.
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Hawaiian_punch posted...

How does he feel about race though? I mean a white supremacist in a majority non-white country wouldnt do that well would he? Lol

His VP brought his granddaughter to some press event and bragged about how he'd managed to make his family so much whiter in just two generations. That's like 1890 levels of branqueamento
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I fear for what will happen to this world. I swear mankind thrive on misery.
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Bishop9800 posted...

biberals posted...

He is a member of the Social Liberal Party.

I don't see fascist there

Most racist are blond to fascism.

I know you probably meant "blind", but this is a great typo.
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Dash_Harber posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Have we learned anything? We have nearly 100 years to reflect on why fascism is a fucking joke and we still get Nazi scum championing it? I mean, to be that willfully ignorant of the philosophy almost makes you worse than the people who were duped by it the first time.

It really is pretty scary how little people remember or care about our actually very recent history (in the grand scope of humanity).

Yeah, and worst of all, it's not like it was some sort of secret. The Nazi war crimes were publicly shown for all to see. I mean, maybe in the case of Japan's horrific actions it'd be hard to see, but even that is pretty common knowledge, and it's pretty much impossible to understand what fascism is without understanding the undeniable hand that the Nazis had in its proliferation.

That's the scariest thing about neo-Nazis, as someone said, "These are people who looked at horrific acts in history, and thought, 'Yes, this is what we need but MORE'."
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I think TC is exaggerating here. Fox News simply describes the guy as a conservative, not the next Hitler.
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Third world shithole does something stupid.

Next up, water... wet!?
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its south america. They will start being corrupt, people will protest, government will kill the protestors, gangs will start becoming rampant, civil war will break out, CIA will pick sides. Brazil will fall
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

I think TC is exaggerating here. Fox News simply describes the guy as a conservative, not the next Hitler.

"Elections wont change anything in this country. It will only change on the day that we break out in civil war here and do the job that the military regime didnt do: killing 30,000. If some innocent people die, thats fine. In every war, innocent people die."

"I wouldnt rape you because you dont deserve it." - to congresswoman Maria do Rosario, 2014

"I would prefer my son to die in an accident than be gay." - Playboy, 2011
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https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2018/10/universities-all-over-brazil-suffer-police-raids-and-electoral-justice-operations.shtml
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I4NRulez posted...

its south america. They will start being corrupt, people will protest, government will kill the protestors, gangs will start becoming rampant, civil war will break out, CIA will pick sides. Brazil will fall

They are corrupt. There's good reason to believe that the government are already killing protesters. Gangs are rampant. There's not civil war yet, but you can bet that the US already picked a side. (hint: it's the side that will be most beneficial to private investments)
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2018/10/universities-all-over-brazil-suffer-police-raids-and-electoral-justice-operations.shtml

Holy fuck, it really is starting.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Holy f***, it really is starting.

Keep in mind this was before Bozo was elected
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

I think TC is exaggerating here. Fox News simply describes the guy as a conservative, not the next Hitler.

This post is unintentionally hilarious.
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TheRealDill2000 posted...

I think TC is exaggerating here. Fox News simply describes the guy as a conservative, not the next Hitler.

Lmao but of course.

omega cookie posted...

Third world shithole does something stupid.

Next up, water... wet!?

You act as if the UK, US and Italy havent done the same. France almost did it too

Solar_Crimson posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2018/10/universities-all-over-brazil-suffer-police-raids-and-electoral-justice-operations.shtml

Holy fuck, it really is starting.

This will give 45 ideas :/

ImAMarvel posted...

Burgess posted...

The word has lost meaning.

Not really, it's just that fascism is currently in vogue because people are stupid.

People are stupid, yes, but don't forget that capitalist interests are very complicit in building and stoking these kinds of fears and opinions. It's not just that people are stupid. It's that other people realize this and do whatever they can to protect and maximize their profits.
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Taxer posted...

I don't understand how this stuff keeps happening. Fascism is still fresh in our minds (especially in South America), how do we keep falling for the same crap?

The majority of humans are pure garbage
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TaiIs82 posted...

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ImAMarvel posted...

scar the 1 posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

Burgess posted...

The word has lost meaning.

Not really, it's just that fascism is currently in vogue because people are stupid.

People are stupid, yes, but don't forget that capitalist interests are very complicit in building and stoking these kinds of fears and opinions. It's not just that people are stupid. It's that other people realize this and do whatever they can to protect and maximize their profits.

Is it really capitalist interests that fuel all this shit? I'm just genuinely worried that more and more people all over the world are swallowing fascist rhetoric and electing fascist leaders. Like, where is this heading?

primarily capitalist interests, yes.

the CBC (pretty much the major canadian news outlet) posted an article saying basically "yeah, he's incredibly racist, sexist, and homophobic, but he's also very open to free market, so a lot of rich canadians will benefit!"
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ImAMarvel posted...

scar the 1 posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

Burgess posted...

The word has lost meaning.

Not really, it's just that fascism is currently in vogue because people are stupid.

People are stupid, yes, but don't forget that capitalist interests are very complicit in building and stoking these kinds of fears and opinions. It's not just that people are stupid. It's that other people realize this and do whatever they can to protect and maximize their profits.

Is it really capitalist interests that fuel all this shit? I'm just genuinely worried that more and more people all over the world are swallowing fascist rhetoric and electing fascist leaders. Like, where is this heading?

Just look who's supporting him. Where the money comes from. The gun lobby and the meat lobby are big backers, since he's campaining on less gun control and erasing the Amazon in favor of more meat production. Who's he against? A workers party that has historically brought millions of Brazilians out of poverty through social welfare programs. This isn't unique to Brazil. You'll see capital everywhere siding with the extreme right, because that's where they will find less regulation and more freedom to make money off of whatever they want. Trump is a good example, but this is all over the west. It's not a coincidence that they're all demonizing anything left-wing as communist or socialist. Capitalists love that stuff, and don't care the slightest if the person saying it is fascist.
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Burgess posted...

The word has lost meaning.

not really no

what we've lost is our fear/disgust with fascists

since we've been a couple generations since they killed all their opposition

scar the 1 posted...

This isn't unique to Brazil. You'll see capital everywhere siding with the extreme right, because that's where they will find less regulation and more freedom to make money off of whatever they want. Trump is a good example, but this is all over the west. It's not a coincidence that they're all demonizing anything left-wing as communist or socialist. Capitalists love that stuff, and don't care the slightest if the person saying it is fascist.

hell, it's what america supported throughout the cold war, for both realpolitik reasons (most non-european socialists aligned immediately with the USSR) and business reasons (pre-castro cuban govt, pinochet argentina, etc all welcomed in major american corporations en masse)
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averagejoel posted...

the CBC (pretty much the major canadian news outlet) posted an article saying basically "yeah, he's incredibly racist, sexist, and homophobic, but he's also very open to free market, so a lot of rich canadians will benefit!"

Ah yeah, here's a tweet they did about it:
https://twitter.com/CBCAlerts/status/1056692366470471682

Brazil's new president elect, Jair Bolsonaro, is a right-winger who leans towards more open markets. This could mean fresh opportunities for Canadian companies looking to invest in the resource-rich country.

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scar the 1 posted...

Just look who's supporting him. Where the money comes from. The gun lobby and the meat lobby are big backers, since he's campaining on less gun control and erasing the Amazon in favor of more meat production. Who's he against? A workers party that has historically brought millions of Brazilians out of poverty through social welfare programs. This isn't unique to Brazil. You'll see capital everywhere siding with the extreme right, because that's where they will find less regulation and more freedom to make money off of whatever they want. Trump is a good example, but this is all over the west. It's not a coincidence that they're all demonizing anything left-wing as communist or socialist. Capitalists love that stuff, and don't care the slightest if the person saying it is fascist.

to add to this: look up the history of US military intervention in Chile, Iran, Haiti, Brazil, Venezuela, North Korea, and in fact most of south and central america and the middle east
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Darkman124 posted...

hell, it's what america supported throughout the cold war, for both realpolitik reasons (most non-european socialists aligned immediately with the USSR) and business reasons (pre-castro cuban govt, pinochet argentina, etc all welcomed in major american corporations en masse)

I saw a succinct (but very grim) way of describing it: The neo-fascism we're seeing all over the western world right now is property flashing its teeth.
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what i've been reading suggests that his rise is probably less due to outsiders pushing him on the people through heavy financing and more due to homegrown fears of violence from the outside. brazil's homicide rate per capita is 6x that of the US.

always reminds me of the warning from ben franklin

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

he didn't say that because he was the first to consider that exchange. it's an incredibly natural human instinct to pursue it.
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ImAMarvel posted...

scar the 1 posted...

ImAMarvel posted...

Burgess posted...

The word has lost meaning.

Not really, it's just that fascism is currently in vogue because people are stupid.

People are stupid, yes, but don't forget that capitalist interests are very complicit in building and stoking these kinds of fears and opinions. It's not just that people are stupid. It's that other people realize this and do whatever they can to protect and maximize their profits.

Is it really capitalist interests that fuel all this shit? I'm just genuinely worried that more and more people all over the world are swallowing fascist rhetoric and electing fascist leaders. Like, where is this heading?

I'd say the rise of nationalism globally is more of a push back to the rise of globalism that happened in the late 20th century, as well as a response to terrorism and unrest in the Middle East and likewise the refugee crisis. But capitalism, and more over, it's failures to help the majority of a nation's citizens have a direct link to it as well. When people see a system in place for so long and they feel as if it's not helping them or their families, they tend to shift towards the poles on the political spectrum and want to completely revamp the system entirely. Not to mention you have a major foreign power that has been pissed off at the West since the fall of the Soviet Union and realize the way to break up their stranglehold on the world is to fund and push nationalism.

As for where it's all heading? Likely another major war at some point once the powder keg is lit. Right now we're still in the early stages. Just wait for another global recession to hit and then shit will hit the fan.
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scar the 1 posted...

I saw a succinct (but very grim) way of describing it: The neo-fascism we're seeing all over the western world right now is property flashing its teeth.

spot on, really. we are in an era where the increased social awareness/consciousness of mass media should in theory be able to spotlight neo-fascist govt crimes, but that same mass media is so good at distracting us that we potentially will overlook it because our show is on at 9
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

As for where it's all heading? Likely another major war at some point once the powder keg is lit. Right now we're still in the early stages. Just wait for another global recession to hit and then s*** will hit the fan.

a global recession is actively striking everywhere outside the US, right now.
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scar the 1 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

hell, it's what america supported throughout the cold war, for both realpolitik reasons (most non-european socialists aligned immediately with the USSR) and business reasons (pre-castro cuban govt, pinochet argentina, etc all welcomed in major american corporations en masse)

I saw a succinct (but very grim) way of describing it: The neo-fascism we're seeing all over the western world right now is property flashing its teeth.

fascism is capitalism in decay, after all
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Darkman124 posted...

what i've been reading suggests that his rise is probably less due to outsiders pushing him on the people through heavy financing and more due to homegrown fears of violence from the outside. brazil's homicide rate per capita is 6x that of the US.

That's been his platform mostly, and what voters have cared about according to exit polls, yeah. Essentially three things: 1) Change from the widespread corruption, 2) tough stance on violence, 3) Anti-workers party vote.
But again, look who's funding. One of the big newspapers in Brazil, Folha de So Paolo, uncovered a pretty big scandal of illegal campain contributions where private entrepreneurs paid millions and millions on fake news campaigns via WhatsApp.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/18/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-whatsapp-fake-news-campaign

So yeah, he's playing on the fears, unrest and conservatism of Brazilians, but with the backing of greedy capitalists who would favor him over Haddad.
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Darkman124 posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

As for where it's all heading? Likely another major war at some point once the powder keg is lit. Right now we're still in the early stages. Just wait for another global recession to hit and then s*** will hit the fan.

a global recession is actively striking everywhere outside the US, right now.

Very true, and I think that's also playing a major role in these people coming back into power. But I'm saying wait till a bigger one hits once they are already in power, then I think the fuse for a major global issue will have been lit.
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