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TheKentster 10/28/18 6:19:35 PM #102:	ColdOne666 posted... southcoast09 posted... Evidence suggests that it does exist. All of the worlds major religions also refer to the great flood, so there is already reason enough to historically support the story. Tbh, if you are trying to disprove Christianity, it seems like you chose the wrong topic. Also, the Titanic was a luxury ship which had massive ballrooms, gymnasiums, onboard swimming pools, dining halls, and theaters. Not to mention every passenger had a massive room. Noahs Ark was not billed as a luxury cruise and it was assumed that it was probably a tight fit. Is this some extremely bad trolling attempt. It's amazing how everyone is encased in this echo chamber and then along comes @southcoast09 to lay down the law, and they all ignore it except this one who just decides to ignore all the points but calls it a troll attempt to discredit it all. How sad this forum has become. <cite>TheKentster posted [p:911340719] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Evidence suggests that it does exist. All of the worlds major religions also refer to the great flood, so there is already reason enough to historically support the story. Tbh, if you are trying to disprove Christianity, it seems like you chose the wrong topic. Also, the Titanic was a luxury ship which had massive ballrooms, gymnasiums, onboard swimming pools, dining halls, and theaters. Not to mention every passenger had a massive room. Noahs Ark was not billed as a luxury cruise and it was assumed that it was probably a tight fit.</quote> Is this some extremely bad trolling attempt.</quote> It's amazing how everyone is encased in this echo chamber and then along comes @southcoast09 to lay down the law, and they all ignore it except this one who just decides to ignore all the points but calls it a troll attempt to discredit it all. How sad this forum has become.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 10/28/18 6:20:56 PM #103:	how did Noah get animals that only live in places like the americas? <cite>Zikten posted [p:911340791] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>how did Noah get animals that only live in places like the americas?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EliteLevel 10/28/18 6:25:07 PM #104:	Airhammy posted... Gods great isnt he/she/other. --- Judge not, lest ye be judged and get butthurt. <cite>EliteLevel posted [p:911341059] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Airhammy posted...</cite> <quote></quote> Gods great isnt he/she/other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
southcoast09 10/28/18 6:52:52 PM #105:	TheKentster posted... ColdOne666 posted... southcoast09 posted... Evidence suggests that it does exist. All of the worlds major religions also refer to the great flood, so there is already reason enough to historically support the story. Tbh, if you are trying to disprove Christianity, it seems like you chose the wrong topic. Also, the Titanic was a luxury ship which had massive ballrooms, gymnasiums, onboard swimming pools, dining halls, and theaters. Not to mention every passenger had a massive room. Noahs Ark was not billed as a luxury cruise and it was assumed that it was probably a tight fit. Is this some extremely bad trolling attempt. It's amazing how everyone is encased in this echo chamber and then along comes @southcoast09 to lay down the law, and they all ignore it except this one who just decides to ignore all the points but calls it a troll attempt to discredit it all. How sad this forum has become. It really is remarkable how many people are willing to ignore any information that the opposition has. Not to mention going to a message board to get help in an argument with a relative. --- #MakeFinalFantasyGreatAgain <cite>southcoast09 posted [p:911342714] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Evidence suggests that it does exist. All of the worlds major religions also refer to the great flood, so there is already reason enough to historically support the story. Tbh, if you are trying to disprove Christianity, it seems like you chose the wrong topic. Also, the Titanic was a luxury ship which had massive ballrooms, gymnasiums, onboard swimming pools, dining halls, and theaters. Not to mention every passenger had a massive room. Noahs Ark was not billed as a luxury cruise and it was assumed that it was probably a tight fit.</quote> Is this some extremely bad trolling attempt.</quote> It's amazing how everyone is encased in this echo chamber and then along comes @southcoast09 to lay down the law, and they all ignore it except this one who just decides to ignore all the points but calls it a troll attempt to discredit it all. How sad this forum has become.</quote> It really is remarkable how many people are willing to ignore any information that the opposition has. Not to mention going to a message board to get help in an argument with a relative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 10/28/18 7:13:20 PM #106:	Banjo2553 posted... Twin3Turbo posted... -Bhunivelze- posted... do_ob_tpkillr posted... Or maybe you should reevaluate yourself first. What did your aunt do that affected you so negatively that you must interfere with her right to freedom of religion? She tells me Im going to hell, I look like a poof, my mom doesnt raise me right etc Watch him still try to make you out to be the bad guy I mean to be fair he didn't know the full story. I was wondering too why he felt the need to argue with his aunt but fair game now. Id be a lot more willing to accept that angle if he hadnt come in accusing the TC of interfering with his aunts freedom of religion without considering perhaps it was the other way around --- https://imgur.com/PHWbltB <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:911344126] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Banjo2553 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>-Bhunivelze- posted...</cite> <quote><cite>do_ob_tpkillr posted...</cite> <quote>Or maybe you should reevaluate yourself first. What did your aunt do that affected you so negatively that you must interfere with her right to freedom of religion?</quote> She tells me Im going to hell, I look like a poof, my mom doesnt raise me right etc</quote> Watch him still try to make you out to be the bad guy</quote> I mean to be fair he didn't know the full story. I was wondering too why he felt the need to argue with his aunt but fair game now.</quote> Id be a lot more willing to accept that angle if he hadnt come in accusing the TC of interfering with his aunts freedom of religion without considering perhaps it was the other way around</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slipknirvana 10/28/18 7:23:42 PM #107:	So much water would would dilute the amtosphere. <cite>slipknirvana posted [p:911344764] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>So much water would would dilute the amtosphere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/29/18 2:13:53 AM #108:	Zikten posted... how did Noah get animals that only live in places like the americas? God transported them to Noah. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:911367739] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>how did Noah get animals that only live in places like the americas?</quote> God transported them to Noah.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 10/29/18 2:22:03 AM #109:	- There are 8.7 million species on the planet. That means at least 17 million animals needed to be housed. In addition, the Bible specifically mentions that Noah had to keep multiple of some animals for food or supplies. So, rough estimate, 20 million animals. That's far too many to survive on any ship or be fed and kept by a small extended family. The size in the Bible actually is not big enough. - The Bible clearly describes the flood as Earth-wide. That means that animals from all corners of the globe would have had to travel from their homes to the middle east. This means that creatures that normally live in humid or frozen climates would have had to had traveled and live in a middle eastern climate. - In addition, this mass migration would have had to had happened within a single lifetime for some animals, otherwise we would have to had left some remains or evidence of their mass migration (foot prints, remains, feces, etc). This journey would also require each animal to survive in pairs across vast distances in various climates without ever dying. The animals adapting for these climates is also not possible, given creationist views on evolution and the fact that it would have had to happen in such a short time frame. - A ship of that size would twist and buckle under it's own weight. Without modern technology, it would have been impossible for a wooden ship to not capsize under it's own weight at that size. Seriously, though, I'd advise against trying to convince her otherwise. If she already buys the idea, it's based off of faith, and you aren't going to change that with facts. Just respectfully disagree with her and leave it at that. You aren't going to win her over by attacking her beliefs. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:911367980] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>- There are 8.7 million species on the planet. That means at least 17 million animals needed to be housed. In addition, the Bible specifically mentions that Noah had to keep multiple of some animals for food or supplies. So, rough estimate, 20 million animals. That's far too many to survive on any ship or be fed and kept by a small extended family. The size in the Bible actually is not big enough. - The Bible clearly describes the flood as Earth-wide. That means that animals from all corners of the globe would have had to travel from their homes to the middle east. This means that creatures that normally live in humid or frozen climates would have had to had traveled and live in a middle eastern climate. - In addition, this mass migration would have had to had happened within a single lifetime for some animals, otherwise we would have to had left some remains or evidence of their mass migration (foot prints, remains, feces, etc). This journey would also require each animal to survive in pairs across vast distances in various climates without ever dying. The animals adapting for these climates is also not possible, given creationist views on evolution and the fact that it would have had to happen in such a short time frame. - A ship of that size would twist and buckle under it's own weight. Without modern technology, it would have been impossible for a wooden ship to not capsize under it's own weight at that size. Seriously, though, I'd advise against trying to convince her otherwise. If she already buys the idea, it's based off of faith, and you aren't going to change that with facts. Just respectfully disagree with her and leave it at that. You aren't going to win her over by attacking her beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nash Highwind 10/29/18 2:30:32 AM #110:	You shouldnt. Trying to tear down someones religious beliefs is mean unless they are using it an an excuse to be a bigot. Even the stupid nonsensical parts of it. She is your family. There is no good reason to attack her beliefs over something as silly and Noah's ark. --- "Dwarf armors are hard! Can you move in it?" - Dwarf http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/NashHighwind/Waluigi.jpg <cite>Nash Highwind posted [p:911368248] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>You shouldnt. Trying to tear down someones religious beliefs is mean unless they are using it an an excuse to be a bigot. Even the stupid nonsensical parts of it. She is your family. There is no good reason to attack her beliefs over something as silly and Noah's ark.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 10/29/18 2:32:07 AM #111:	If the world was flooded (have to say it went at least as high as the peak of Everest, otherwise, the world was not truly flooded), how did Noah, his family, and all the animals not die from lack of oxygen and hypothermia present at high altitudes? Did God think that all the evil people didn't have access to boats? Why a flood, it is the least efficient means of committing genocide. What was the boats means of propulsion? How did it avoid ripping up the hull on mountain peaks? How did he construct such as massive ship in an age of limited technology, and simple hand tools? Presumably he spent years sailing the globe getting animals from every continent, did no one ask why he was doing this? Did the people who observed him doing this not think to get a boat of their own? If God knew that evil rested in the hearts of all Men, why bother flooding the world when the repopulated species would just go back to being evil? --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:911368288] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>If the world was flooded (have to say it went at least as high as the peak of Everest, otherwise, the world was not truly flooded), how did Noah, his family, and all the animals not die from lack of oxygen and hypothermia present at high altitudes? Did God think that all the evil people didn't have access to boats? Why a flood, it is the least efficient means of committing genocide. What was the boats means of propulsion? How did it avoid ripping up the hull on mountain peaks? How did he construct such as massive ship in an age of limited technology, and simple hand tools? Presumably he spent years sailing the globe getting animals from every continent, did no one ask why he was doing this? Did the people who observed him doing this not think to get a boat of their own? If God knew that evil rested in the hearts of all Men, why bother flooding the world when the repopulated species would just go back to being evil?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 10/29/18 2:34:14 AM #112:	008Zulu posted... Presumably he spent years sailing the globe getting animals from every continent, did no one ask why he was doing this? This also raises another huge questions; if he was actually travelling to collect them, how did he collect animals with shorter lifespans due the years it would take for him to travel the entire globe? Also, what about freshwater fish? Wouldn't they die when the oceans overtook their habitats? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:911368348] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>Presumably he spent years sailing the globe getting animals from every continent, did no one ask why he was doing this?</quote> This also raises another huge questions; if he was actually travelling to collect them, how did he collect animals with shorter lifespans due the years it would take for him to travel the entire globe? Also, what about freshwater fish? Wouldn't they die when the oceans overtook their habitats?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 10/29/18 2:36:16 AM #113:	Couldn't it be possible the whole world wasn't flooded by just the immediate area, and it was as if the whole world was being flooded? Also, I thought Noah and his wife was super old and basically unable to propagate the human species themselves, let alone somehow have all the millions of animals. How did they even gather 2 of each animals with such vague criteria? Also are animals capable of being sinners, and couldn't it be possible that the animal sinners boarded to ship as poor representatives? Aren't most carnivorous animals sinners as they're forced to constantly kill other living beings to survive? Let's not even start with the sexual patterns of animals. Some animals will bang anything and anyone, same sex, different animals, multiple partners, you name it. Doesn't that go against the bible, or were they somehow exempt from these sins and be allowed to board the ship? Also aren't there way more than a few million species in the world with animals living literally all around the world where it could be physically impossible for some animals to arrive at the ship in the first place let alone know where the ship is, have the means to even get there, and be there before the flood hits. Were there even enough species of animals within the plausible vicinity to get to the ship on time and board it? I mean it's pretty obvious the Noah's Ark is a fairy tale that exaggerated some smaller and less significant acts of nature at some time or another. Unless there's a part of the story that said God literally magically teleported animals to the right place and there were clear witnesses of this feat, let alone have a wooden boat that can even survive the flood with all that weight, it's difficult to not consider people who think it actually happened to be anything less than crazy. Unless of course they think it was an exaggerated version of something that actually did happen with biblical significance, which is a bit easier to stomach but still probably easy to poke holes in whether or not it was biblical --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://imgur.com/JGJqvwW <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:911368404] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>Couldn't it be possible the whole world wasn't flooded by just the immediate area, and it was as if the whole world was being flooded? Also, I thought Noah and his wife was super old and basically unable to propagate the human species themselves, let alone somehow have all the millions of animals. How did they even gather 2 of each animals with such vague criteria? Also are animals capable of being sinners, and couldn't it be possible that the animal sinners boarded to ship as poor representatives? Aren't most carnivorous animals sinners as they're forced to constantly kill other living beings to survive? Let's not even start with the sexual patterns of animals. Some animals will bang anything and anyone, same sex, different animals, multiple partners, you name it. Doesn't that go against the bible, or were they somehow exempt from these sins and be allowed to board the ship? Also aren't there way more than a few million species in the world with animals living literally all around the world where it could be physically impossible for some animals to arrive at the ship in the first place let alone know where the ship is, have the means to even get there, and be there before the flood hits. Were there even enough species of animals within the plausible vicinity to get to the ship on time and board it? I mean it's pretty obvious the Noah's Ark is a fairy tale that exaggerated some smaller and less significant acts of nature at some time or another. Unless there's a part of the story that said God literally magically teleported animals to the right place and there were clear witnesses of this feat, let alone have a wooden boat that can even survive the flood with all that weight, it's difficult to not consider people who think it actually happened to be anything less than crazy. Unless of course they think it was an exaggerated version of something that actually did happen with biblical significance, which is a bit easier to stomach but still probably easy to poke holes in whether or not it was biblical</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 10/29/18 2:42:22 AM #114:	legendarylemur posted... Couldn't it be possible the whole world wasn't flooded by just the immediate area, and it was as if the whole world was being flooded? The Bible clearly states the whole world was flooded and that all of humanity was wiped out except for Noah. That would mean that there would have to be a region in the Middle East with a massive amount of dead remains and evidence of incredible flooding. legendarylemur posted... Also, I thought Noah and his wife was super old and basically unable to propagate the human species themselves, let alone somehow have all the millions of animals. How did they even gather 2 of each animals, and also are animals capable of being sinners, and couldn't it be possible that they boarded to ship as poor representatives? Aren't most carnivorous animals sinners as they're forced to constantly kill other living beings to survive? Let's not even start with the sexual patterns of animals. Some animals will bang anything and anyone, same sex, different animals, multiple partners, you name it. Doesn't that go against the bible, or were they somehow exempt from these sins and be allowed to board the ship? These are actually explained. Noah's children and their wives were aboard, and sin doesn't apply to animals because they don't have souls in the human sense. legendarylemur posted... Also aren't there way more than a few million species in the world with animals living literally all around the world where it could be physically impossible for some animals to arrive at the ship in the first place let alone know where the ship is, have the means to even get there, and be there before the flood hits. Were there even enough species of animals within the plausible vicinity to get to the ship on time and board it? I touched on this, but yeah, 8.7 million species, 2 of each, more of some, plus most of them aren't capable of surviving in the Middle East. They also would have had to migrate across the globe and back in a single lifetime, while policing all their droppings. They also would have all had to become vegetarians for a few years, so that vegetarian species could build enough numbers to be hunted without going extinct. legendarylemur posted... Unless of course they think it was an exaggerated version of something that actually did happen with biblical significance, which is a bit easier to stomach but still probably easy to poke holes in whether or not it was biblical While this is true, the Bible unfortunately also makes a claim that it is 100% factual and infallible, meaning that in order to accept the theory that it is allegorical, you also have to accept that the Bible is lying about being a factual historical record. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:911368555] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>Couldn't it be possible the whole world wasn't flooded by just the immediate area, and it was as if the whole world was being flooded? </quote> The Bible clearly states the whole world was flooded and that all of humanity was wiped out except for Noah. That would mean that there would have to be a region in the Middle East with a massive amount of dead remains and evidence of incredible flooding. <cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>Also, I thought Noah and his wife was super old and basically unable to propagate the human species themselves, let alone somehow have all the millions of animals. How did they even gather 2 of each animals, and also are animals capable of being sinners, and couldn't it be possible that they boarded to ship as poor representatives? Aren't most carnivorous animals sinners as they're forced to constantly kill other living beings to survive? Let's not even start with the sexual patterns of animals. Some animals will bang anything and anyone, same sex, different animals, multiple partners, you name it. Doesn't that go against the bible, or were they somehow exempt from these sins and be allowed to board the ship? </quote> These are actually explained. Noah's children and their wives were aboard, and sin doesn't apply to animals because they don't have souls in the human sense. <cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>Also aren't there way more than a few million species in the world with animals living literally all around the world where it could be physically impossible for some animals to arrive at the ship in the first place let alone know where the ship is, have the means to even get there, and be there before the flood hits. Were there even enough species of animals within the plausible vicinity to get to the ship on time and board it?</quote> I touched on this, but yeah, 8.7 million species, 2 of each, more of some, plus most of them aren't capable of surviving in the Middle East. They also would have had to migrate across the globe and back in a single lifetime, while policing all their droppings. They also would have all had to become vegetarians for a few years, so that vegetarian species could build enough numbers to be hunted without going extinct. <cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>Unless of course they think it was an exaggerated version of something that actually did happen with biblical significance, which is a bit easier to stomach but still probably easy to poke holes in whether or not it was biblical</quote> While this is true, the Bible unfortunately also makes a claim that it is 100% factual and infallible, meaning that in order to accept the theory that it is allegorical, you also have to accept that the Bible is lying about being a factual historical record.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 10/29/18 3:04:23 AM #115:	What a wildly successful bait topic this was --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:911369153] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>What a wildly successful bait topic this was</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/29/18 3:58:24 AM #116:	008Zulu posted... If the world was flooded (have to say it went at least as high as the peak of Everest, otherwise, the world was not truly flooded), how did Noah, his family, and all the animals not die from lack of oxygen and hypothermia present at high altitudes? Did God think that all the evil people didn't have access to boats? Why a flood, it is the least efficient means of committing genocide. What was the boats means of propulsion? How did it avoid ripping up the hull on mountain peaks? How did he construct such as massive ship in an age of limited technology, and simple hand tools? Presumably he spent years sailing the globe getting animals from every continent, did no one ask why he was doing this? Did the people who observed him doing this not think to get a boat of their own? If God knew that evil rested in the hearts of all Men, why bother flooding the world when the repopulated species would just go back to being evil? Why do you try to use logic in half of the story and accept that God did it in the first half? The Bible clearly said that God remembered Noah. We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark? One that kept them warm enough and providind oxygen? The flood lasted one year and ten days, even if the evil people had boats, they would never have the time to bring enough food to last that long. The boat was never meant to go anywhere. The flood covered the highest mountain with at least two Ark heights, so what could it smash into? It existed no nearby mountains that were high enough to put the Ark into any danger while the water raised. He followed Gods instructions when he built it, thereby he managed to build it. God sent the animals to him just before the rain started, nobody went around the globe and collected them. The evil people that watched him believed that he was crazy and went back to their sex orgies. Because he also knew that good rested in the heart of Man. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:911370386] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote>If the world was flooded (have to say it went at least as high as the peak of Everest, otherwise, the world was not truly flooded), how did Noah, his family, and all the animals not die from lack of oxygen and hypothermia present at high altitudes? Did God think that all the evil people didn't have access to boats? Why a flood, it is the least efficient means of committing genocide. What was the boats means of propulsion? How did it avoid ripping up the hull on mountain peaks? How did he construct such as massive ship in an age of limited technology, and simple hand tools? Presumably he spent years sailing the globe getting animals from every continent, did no one ask why he was doing this? Did the people who observed him doing this not think to get a boat of their own? If God knew that evil rested in the hearts of all Men, why bother flooding the world when the repopulated species would just go back to being evil?</quote> Why do you try to use logic in half of the story and accept that God did it in the first half? The Bible clearly said that God remembered Noah. We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark? One that kept them warm enough and providind oxygen? The flood lasted one year and ten days, even if the evil people had boats, they would never have the time to bring enough food to last that long. The boat was never meant to go anywhere. The flood covered the highest mountain with at least two Ark heights, so what could it smash into? It existed no nearby mountains that were high enough to put the Ark into any danger while the water raised. He followed Gods instructions when he built it, thereby he managed to build it. God sent the animals to him just before the rain started, nobody went around the globe and collected them. The evil people that watched him believed that he was crazy and went back to their sex orgies. Because he also knew that good rested in the heart of Man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gguirao 10/29/18 4:00:12 AM #117:	How could the ark fit so many of the larger animals, like elephants? Why are there no dinosaurs or other prehistoric animals live now, but we can find their fossils? --- Donald J. Trump--proof against government intelligence. <cite>gguirao posted [p:911370421] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>How could the ark fit so many of the larger animals, like elephants? Why are there no dinosaurs or other prehistoric animals live now, but we can find their fossils?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/29/18 4:05:40 AM #118:	gguirao posted... How could the ark fit so many of the larger animals, like elephants? Why are there no dinosaurs or other prehistoric animals live now, but we can find their fossils? God made them fit. Dinosaurs are just the evil flesh produced by human and Nephilim inbreeding. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:911370525] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>gguirao posted...</cite> <quote>How could the ark fit so many of the larger animals, like elephants? Why are there no dinosaurs or other prehistoric animals live now, but we can find their fossils?</quote> God made them fit. Dinosaurs are just the evil flesh produced by human and Nephilim inbreeding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FvP 10/29/18 4:19:18 AM #119:	Show her a unicorn, proving they didn't all die. --- FvP \| falco_vs_peach \| ^"The Shinies" Member^ \| Adventure Time Member #FreeCMC PBWSB PDPSB /pdpsb/ PBWSB User Tournament Winner: DiabIo <cite>FvP posted [p:911370800] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>Show her a unicorn, proving they didn't all die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slipknirvana 10/29/18 4:37:55 AM #120:	Dash_Harber posted... - There are 8.7 million species on the planet. That means at least 17 million animals needed to be housed. In addition, the Bible specifically mentions that Noah had to keep multiple of some animals for food or supplies. So, rough estimate, 20 million animals. That's far too many to survive on any ship or be fed and kept by a small extended family. The size in the Bible actually is not big enough. - The Bible clearly describes the flood as Earth-wide. That means that animals from all corners of the globe would have had to travel from their homes to the middle east. This means that creatures that normally live in humid or frozen climates would have had to had traveled and live in a middle eastern climate. - In addition, this mass migration would have had to had happened within a single lifetime for some animals, otherwise we would have to had left some remains or evidence of their mass migration (foot prints, remains, feces, etc). This journey would also require each animal to survive in pairs across vast distances in various climates without ever dying. The animals adapting for these climates is also not possible, given creationist views on evolution and the fact that it would have had to happen in such a short time frame. - A ship of that size would twist and buckle under it's own weight. Without modern technology, it would have been impossible for a wooden ship to not capsize under it's own weight at that size. Seriously, though, I'd advise against trying to convince her otherwise. If she already buys the idea, it's based off of faith, and you aren't going to change that with facts. Just respectfully disagree with her and leave it at that. You aren't going to win her over by attacking her beliefs. You forgot inbreeding <cite>slipknirvana posted [p:911371154] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>- There are 8.7 million species on the planet. That means at least 17 million animals needed to be housed. In addition, the Bible specifically mentions that Noah had to keep multiple of some animals for food or supplies. So, rough estimate, 20 million animals. That's far too many to survive on any ship or be fed and kept by a small extended family. The size in the Bible actually is not big enough. - The Bible clearly describes the flood as Earth-wide. That means that animals from all corners of the globe would have had to travel from their homes to the middle east. This means that creatures that normally live in humid or frozen climates would have had to had traveled and live in a middle eastern climate. - In addition, this mass migration would have had to had happened within a single lifetime for some animals, otherwise we would have to had left some remains or evidence of their mass migration (foot prints, remains, feces, etc). This journey would also require each animal to survive in pairs across vast distances in various climates without ever dying. The animals adapting for these climates is also not possible, given creationist views on evolution and the fact that it would have had to happen in such a short time frame. - A ship of that size would twist and buckle under it's own weight. Without modern technology, it would have been impossible for a wooden ship to not capsize under it's own weight at that size. Seriously, though, I'd advise against trying to convince her otherwise. If she already buys the idea, it's based off of faith, and you aren't going to change that with facts. Just respectfully disagree with her and leave it at that. You aren't going to win her over by attacking her beliefs.</quote> You forgot inbreeding</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 10/29/18 4:43:06 AM #121:	slipknirvana posted... Dash_Harber posted... - There are 8.7 million species on the planet. That means at least 17 million animals needed to be housed. In addition, the Bible specifically mentions that Noah had to keep multiple of some animals for food or supplies. So, rough estimate, 20 million animals. That's far too many to survive on any ship or be fed and kept by a small extended family. The size in the Bible actually is not big enough. - The Bible clearly describes the flood as Earth-wide. That means that animals from all corners of the globe would have had to travel from their homes to the middle east. This means that creatures that normally live in humid or frozen climates would have had to had traveled and live in a middle eastern climate. - In addition, this mass migration would have had to had happened within a single lifetime for some animals, otherwise we would have to had left some remains or evidence of their mass migration (foot prints, remains, feces, etc). This journey would also require each animal to survive in pairs across vast distances in various climates without ever dying. The animals adapting for these climates is also not possible, given creationist views on evolution and the fact that it would have had to happen in such a short time frame. - A ship of that size would twist and buckle under it's own weight. Without modern technology, it would have been impossible for a wooden ship to not capsize under it's own weight at that size. Seriously, though, I'd advise against trying to convince her otherwise. If she already buys the idea, it's based off of faith, and you aren't going to change that with facts. Just respectfully disagree with her and leave it at that. You aren't going to win her over by attacking her beliefs. You forgot inbreeding I know that the group I was born into basically argued that it was less of a problem because people were 'closer to perfection'. It is also how they explained the guys that lived to 800 or so years. Not sure if there is a scriptural basis, or if that was just Jehovah's Witness apocrypha. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:911371254] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>slipknirvana posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>- There are 8.7 million species on the planet. That means at least 17 million animals needed to be housed. In addition, the Bible specifically mentions that Noah had to keep multiple of some animals for food or supplies. So, rough estimate, 20 million animals. That's far too many to survive on any ship or be fed and kept by a small extended family. The size in the Bible actually is not big enough. - The Bible clearly describes the flood as Earth-wide. That means that animals from all corners of the globe would have had to travel from their homes to the middle east. This means that creatures that normally live in humid or frozen climates would have had to had traveled and live in a middle eastern climate. - In addition, this mass migration would have had to had happened within a single lifetime for some animals, otherwise we would have to had left some remains or evidence of their mass migration (foot prints, remains, feces, etc). This journey would also require each animal to survive in pairs across vast distances in various climates without ever dying. The animals adapting for these climates is also not possible, given creationist views on evolution and the fact that it would have had to happen in such a short time frame. - A ship of that size would twist and buckle under it's own weight. Without modern technology, it would have been impossible for a wooden ship to not capsize under it's own weight at that size. Seriously, though, I'd advise against trying to convince her otherwise. If she already buys the idea, it's based off of faith, and you aren't going to change that with facts. Just respectfully disagree with her and leave it at that. You aren't going to win her over by attacking her beliefs.</quote> You forgot inbreeding</quote> I know that the group I was born into basically argued that it was less of a problem because people were 'closer to perfection'. It is also how they explained the guys that lived to 800 or so years. Not sure if there is a scriptural basis, or if that was just Jehovah's Witness apocrypha.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 10/29/18 4:52:45 AM #122:	Foppe posted... We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark? That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled? --- Time is a funny thing. There is always too much of it, except when you need it the most. Then there is never enough. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:911371411] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark?</quote> That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/29/18 5:32:57 AM #123:	008Zulu posted... Foppe posted... We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark? That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled? He was ready to snap his fingers and kill everything on the planet, but he discovered Noah at the last moment and decided to test Noah to see if it was worth to continue with this experiment or not. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:911372117] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark?</quote> That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled?</quote> He was ready to snap his fingers and kill everything on the planet, but he discovered Noah at the last moment and decided to test Noah to see if it was worth to continue with this experiment or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 10/29/18 5:34:56 AM #124:	Foppe posted... 008Zulu posted... Foppe posted... We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark? That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled? He was ready to snap his fingers and kill everything on the planet, but he discovered Noah at the last moment and decided to test Noah to see if it was worth to continue with this experiment or not. How could he discover someone if he was watching the world the entire time? He can 'read people's hearts', so why did he need to test him? Was it really a fair test if he literally had to magically do everything for Noah? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:911372166] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark?</quote> That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled?</quote> He was ready to snap his fingers and kill everything on the planet, but he discovered Noah at the last moment and decided to test Noah to see if it was worth to continue with this experiment or not.</quote> How could he discover someone if he was watching the world the entire time? He can 'read people's hearts', so why did he need to test him? Was it really a fair test if he literally had to magically do everything for Noah?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/29/18 5:43:06 AM #125:	Dash_Harber posted... Foppe posted... 008Zulu posted... Foppe posted... We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark? That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled? He was ready to snap his fingers and kill everything on the planet, but he discovered Noah at the last moment and decided to test Noah to see if it was worth to continue with this experiment or not. How could he discover someone if he was watching the world the entire time? He can 'read people's hearts', so why did he need to test him? Was it really a fair test if he literally had to magically do everything for Noah? God had already given up aboutnus, and stopped listening to us. Because God is an asshole. Yes. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:911372334] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>008Zulu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>We are talking about a being that created the universe and decided to flood the planet, why would God not be able to create a protection bubble around the Ark?</quote> That just raises the question; If he can do that, why did he need Noah at all, why didn't he just snap his fingers, and problem handled?</quote> He was ready to snap his fingers and kill everything on the planet, but he discovered Noah at the last moment and decided to test Noah to see if it was worth to continue with this experiment or not.</quote> How could he discover someone if he was watching the world the entire time? He can 'read people's hearts', so why did he need to test him? Was it really a fair test if he literally had to magically do everything for Noah?</quote> God had already given up aboutnus, and stopped listening to us. Because God is an asshole. Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CreekCo 10/29/18 6:12:49 AM #126:	Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back. --- Triggered <cite>CreekCo posted [p:911372882] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote>Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 10/29/18 12:26:02 PM #127:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Foppe posted... ScazarMeltex posted... Foppe posted... ScazarMeltex posted... Foppe posted... ScazarMeltex posted... The ark came to rest somewhere in the middle east after the flood. So we are supposed to believe that the animals on the ark walked from there, back to their natural habitats, leaving no record of their migration in the fossil record? So I'm supposed to believe that penguins in the middle east walked all the way back to arctic picking up their dead as they went? Get the fuck out of here. God used his powers to put them back to where they were. Then why did he need the ark in the first place? It is explained at the start of the story. Go read it. So you don't see the lack of consistency then? That he can magic the animals back to where they came from, but can't just magic all the other problems away? God was about to magic away all life on the planet because it was a failure, but at the last moment he found somebody that still had faith. So he put that man to a test to see if it was still worth it to keep humanity alive. Noah proved that humanity was still worth keeping, so God continued the experiment. Imagine believing it actually happened though lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGWinJ4QgVQ" data-time="&start=7 <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:911386837] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ScazarMeltex posted...</cite> <quote>The ark came to rest somewhere in the middle east after the flood. So we are supposed to believe that the animals on the ark walked from there, back to their natural habitats, leaving no record of their migration in the fossil record? So I'm supposed to believe that penguins in the middle east walked all the way back to arctic picking up their dead as they went? Get the fuck out of here.</quote> God used his powers to put them back to where they were.</quote> Then why did he need the ark in the first place?</quote> It is explained at the start of the story. Go read it.</quote> So you don't see the lack of consistency then? That he can magic the animals back to where they came from, but can't just magic all the other problems away?</quote> God was about to magic away all life on the planet because it was a failure, but at the last moment he found somebody that still had faith. So he put that man to a test to see if it was still worth it to keep humanity alive. Noah proved that humanity was still worth keeping, so God continued the experiment.</quote> Imagine believing it actually happened though lmao</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGWinJ4QgVQ" data-time="&start=7</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 10/29/18 1:06:46 PM #128:	TheKentster posted... ColdOne666 posted... southcoast09 posted... Evidence suggests that it does exist. All of the worlds major religions also refer to the great flood, so there is already reason enough to historically support the story. Tbh, if you are trying to disprove Christianity, it seems like you chose the wrong topic. Also, the Titanic was a luxury ship which had massive ballrooms, gymnasiums, onboard swimming pools, dining halls, and theaters. Not to mention every passenger had a massive room. Noahs Ark was not billed as a luxury cruise and it was assumed that it was probably a tight fit. Is this some extremely bad trolling attempt. It's amazing how everyone is encased in this echo chamber and then along comes @southcoast09 to lay down the law, and they all ignore it except this one who just decides to ignore all the points but calls it a troll attempt to discredit it all. How sad this forum has become. Someone already debunked his post already though. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:911389304] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheKentster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ColdOne666 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>southcoast09 posted...</cite> <quote>Evidence suggests that it does exist. All of the worlds major religions also refer to the great flood, so there is already reason enough to historically support the story. Tbh, if you are trying to disprove Christianity, it seems like you chose the wrong topic. Also, the Titanic was a luxury ship which had massive ballrooms, gymnasiums, onboard swimming pools, dining halls, and theaters. Not to mention every passenger had a massive room. Noahs Ark was not billed as a luxury cruise and it was assumed that it was probably a tight fit.</quote> Is this some extremely bad trolling attempt.</quote> It's amazing how everyone is encased in this echo chamber and then along comes @southcoast09 to lay down the law, and they all ignore it except this one who just decides to ignore all the points but calls it a troll attempt to discredit it all. How sad this forum has become.</quote> Someone already debunked his post already though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SaithSayer 10/29/18 1:08:31 PM #129:	CreekCo posted... Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back. They don't let you go upstairs at Graceland. Doesn't mean Elvis is up there. <cite>SaithSayer posted [p:911389421] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>CreekCo posted...</cite> <quote>Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back.</quote> They don't let you go upstairs at Graceland. Doesn't mean Elvis is up there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slipknirvana 10/29/18 1:11:34 PM #130:	SaithSayer posted... CreekCo posted... Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back. They don't let you go upstairs at Graceland. Doesn't mean Elvis is up there. There is another example; either the Holy Grail or actual ten commandments stone somewhere in Egypt. It was on the Science Channel one night, the crew actually got access to the Vatican Archives yet they couldn't get in that building. <cite>slipknirvana posted [p:911389606] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>SaithSayer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CreekCo posted...</cite> <quote>Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back.</quote> They don't let you go upstairs at Graceland. Doesn't mean Elvis is up there.</quote> There is another example; either the Holy Grail or actual ten commandments stone somewhere in Egypt. It was on the Science Channel one night, the crew actually got access to the Vatican Archives yet they couldn't get in that building.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CreekCo 10/29/18 7:54:13 PM #131:	slipknirvana posted... SaithSayer posted... CreekCo posted... Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back. They don't let you go upstairs at Graceland. Doesn't mean Elvis is up there. There is another example; either the Holy Grail or actual ten commandments stone somewhere in Egypt. It was on the Science Channel one night, the crew actually got access to the Vatican Archives yet they couldn't get in that building. That really doesn't have anything to do with the price of tea in China. Meaning those asides are maybe interesting in their own space but irrelevant to what was said. --- Triggered <cite>CreekCo posted [p:911413263] in My Aunt be... [t:77140658]...</cite> <quote><cite>slipknirvana posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SaithSayer posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CreekCo posted...</cite> <quote>Ya know, it's still sitting on top of a mountain in the Middle East. I thought this was common knowledge. It's one of the most guarded places on earth. A former actress almost got in big trouble trying to sneak up that mountain a few years back.</quote> They don't let you go upstairs at Graceland. Doesn't mean Elvis is up there.</quote> There is another example; either the Holy Grail or actual ten commandments stone somewhere in Egypt. It was on the Science Channel one night, the crew actually got access to the Vatican Archives yet they couldn't get in that building.</quote> That really doesn't have anything to do with the price of tea in China. Meaning those asides are maybe interesting in their own space but irrelevant to what was said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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