Current Events > The Synagogue Shooter once again exposes the danger of unchecked social media

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BeantownHero
10/27/18 5:33:57 PM
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use. Gab is the alt-rights answer to twitter. This guy was a verified user with a long list of anti semitic musings. What responsibility do the people who run the site bare and with the rise of internet message boards/discords, should the staff who moderate these sites be held to a higher standard?

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article220738695.html

Vox reported that the platform has become a virtual gathering place for some members of the alt-right, a movement of white nationalist, anti-Semitic and white supremacist groups.

The Gab logo resembles Pepe the frog, a meme that has been adopted by some members of the alt-right, as noted by VICE.


An account with the same name as the suspected shooter contains many disparaging posts about people of Jewish faith, as seen in an archive of the account.

The account shared a message that said Jews are waging a propaganda war against Western civilization.

The account associated with Bowers also appears to indicate that he was about to attack the synagogue.

The final message on the account sent out on Saturday just a few hours before the shooting says HIAS (Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society) likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I cant sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, Im going in.

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SH_expert44
10/27/18 5:35:57 PM
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That was supposed to be one of the cringe anarchy backups since reddit quarantined it. Now its going to get scrubbed and scoured.
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:38:02 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
The account associated with Bowers also appears to indicate that he was about to attack the synagogue.


How the hell did this not get picked up?! :O
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C_Pain
10/27/18 5:40:41 PM
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I think even considering people who run sites where people can post wicked words is insidious.

Also, stop blaming pepe.
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BeantownHero
10/27/18 5:40:45 PM
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TiamatLover posted...
BeantownHero posted...
The account associated with Bowers also appears to indicate that he was about to attack the synagogue.


How the hell did this not get picked up?! :O


I honestly believe your run of the mill moderator simply isnt that vigilant and why would they be? it's an often unpaid, thankless job and before the last 10 years, largely irrelevant in the internet ecosystem

With the alt right using them more and more as recruitment grounds and avenues to market their hate, their roles may need to be reexamined.
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FLUFFYGERM
10/27/18 5:41:29 PM
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every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.
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BeantownHero
10/27/18 5:42:53 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.


twitter gets slammed repeatedly for how it handles hate accounts on its website. Facebook should also be held to the fire.
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FLUFFYGERM
10/27/18 5:43:36 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.


twitter gets slammed repeatedly for how it handles hate accounts on its website. Facebook should also be held to the fire.


the problem is that it's hard to enforce such legislation because then the power of who defines what is a "hate group" rests in either the hands of private interests or in the hands of government. neither scenario is good for freedom of speech.
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:43:41 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
TiamatLover posted...
BeantownHero posted...
The account associated with Bowers also appears to indicate that he was about to attack the synagogue.


How the hell did this not get picked up?! :O


I honestly believe your run of the mill moderator simply isnt that vigilant and why would they be? it's an often unpaid, thankless job and before the last 10 years, largely irrelevant in the internet ecosystem

With the alt right using them more and more as recruitment grounds and avenues to market their hate, their roles may need to be reexamined.


Moderators? Sure. How about actual law enforcement agencies. NSA in particular.
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:44:24 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.


twitter gets slammed repeatedly for how it handles hate accounts on its website. Facebook should also be held to the fire.


the problem is that it's hard to enforce such legislation because then the power of who defines what is a "hate group" rests in either the hands of private interests or in the hands of government. neither scenario is good for freedom of speech.


That could be resolved by adopting a 100% objective definition. Of course, I'm not entirely sure what that definition should be - especially when it comes to groups that haven't done anything yet, but are about to pull off their first attack.
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creativerealms
10/27/18 5:44:48 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.

Agreed.
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BeantownHero
10/27/18 5:47:52 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.


twitter gets slammed repeatedly for how it handles hate accounts on its website. Facebook should also be held to the fire.


the problem is that it's hard to enforce such legislation because then the power of who defines what is a "hate group" rests in either the hands of private interests or in the hands of government. neither scenario is good for freedom of speech.


I dont believe absolute freedom of speech should be the end goal for any social media website tasked with hosting opinions. I'd be perfectly ok with Twitter/Facebook deciding not to cater to what they believe are extremists
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:48:50 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
I dont believe absolute freedom of speech should be the end goal for any social media website tasked with hosting opinions. I'd be perfectly ok with Twitter/Facebook deciding not to cater to what they believe are extremists


This idea only works when they can be trusted to define "extremists" in an unbiased manner. They're not even capable of doing that with much simpler things than extremism.
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BeantownHero
10/27/18 5:51:19 PM
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TiamatLover posted...
BeantownHero posted...
I dont believe absolute freedom of speech should be the end goal for any social media website tasked with hosting opinions. I'd be perfectly ok with Twitter/Facebook deciding not to cater to what they believe are extremists


This idea only works when they can be trusted to define "extremists" in an unbiased manner. They're not even capable of doing that with much simpler things than extremism.


Why exactly does twitter/Facebook need to be unbiased? The alt right is a far bigger threat currently and the rush to somehow balance out focused policing of their online activities with their liberal equivalents seems very counterproductive.
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FLUFFYGERM
10/27/18 5:52:21 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.


twitter gets slammed repeatedly for how it handles hate accounts on its website. Facebook should also be held to the fire.


the problem is that it's hard to enforce such legislation because then the power of who defines what is a "hate group" rests in either the hands of private interests or in the hands of government. neither scenario is good for freedom of speech.


I dont believe absolute freedom of speech should be the end goal for any social media website tasked with hosting opinions. I'd be perfectly ok with Twitter/Facebook deciding not to cater to what they believe are extremists


It definitely needs to be the goal, otherwise they're effectively choosing what speech is and isn't allowed.
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umax555
10/27/18 5:53:51 PM
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So, he was worried about his own people getting slaughtered, so he goes and slaughters his own people. What a dumbass. People like him seem to kill way more people in the US than refugees.
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 5:54:12 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
TiamatLover posted...
BeantownHero posted...
I dont believe absolute freedom of speech should be the end goal for any social media website tasked with hosting opinions. I'd be perfectly ok with Twitter/Facebook deciding not to cater to what they believe are extremists


This idea only works when they can be trusted to define "extremists" in an unbiased manner. They're not even capable of doing that with much simpler things than extremism.


Why exactly does twitter/Facebook need to be unbiased? The alt right is a far bigger threat currently and the rush to somehow balance out focused policing of their online activities with their liberal equivalents seems very counterproductive.


"Unbiased" in the sense that if two groups are equally dangerous or extreme, they should both be treated the same way. If one is currently posing a bigger danger, then being harsher on them is reasonable. But if two are equally dangerous, but they don't deal with one because "we kinda agree with them", that's where the problem lies.
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Axiom
10/27/18 5:56:45 PM
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Never even heard of Gab until today. Fucking nazis. They need to all be put on a watchlist
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BeantownHero
10/27/18 5:56:46 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.


twitter gets slammed repeatedly for how it handles hate accounts on its website. Facebook should also be held to the fire.


the problem is that it's hard to enforce such legislation because then the power of who defines what is a "hate group" rests in either the hands of private interests or in the hands of government. neither scenario is good for freedom of speech.


I dont believe absolute freedom of speech should be the end goal for any social media website tasked with hosting opinions. I'd be perfectly ok with Twitter/Facebook deciding not to cater to what they believe are extremists


It definitely needs to be the goal, otherwise they're effectively choosing what speech is and isn't allowed.


again, why is this inherently a bad thing? Twitter being predominantly liberal doesnt hurt free speech and more than Fox news being predominantly conservative. neither should be obligated to host views it disagrees with
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TiamatLover
10/27/18 6:00:05 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
BeantownHero posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
every major social media site, like twitter or facebook or etc, creates echo chambers for the far right and the far left. and these echo chambers attract crazies who then become even crazier.


twitter gets slammed repeatedly for how it handles hate accounts on its website. Facebook should also be held to the fire.


the problem is that it's hard to enforce such legislation because then the power of who defines what is a "hate group" rests in either the hands of private interests or in the hands of government. neither scenario is good for freedom of speech.


I dont believe absolute freedom of speech should be the end goal for any social media website tasked with hosting opinions. I'd be perfectly ok with Twitter/Facebook deciding not to cater to what they believe are extremists


It definitely needs to be the goal, otherwise they're effectively choosing what speech is and isn't allowed.


again, why is this inherently a bad thing? Twitter being predominantly liberal doesnt hurt free speech and more than Fox news being predominantly conservative. neither should be obligated to host views it disagrees with


Fox is a platform for its staff. Twitter is a platform for the whole world. They're not remotely comparable.

A fair comparison would be "what's wrong with CNN being liberal, if Fox is conservative".
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BeantownHero
10/27/18 6:03:31 PM
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Fox is a platform for its staff. Twitter is a platform for the whole world. They're not remotely comparable.

A fair comparison would be "what's wrong with CNN being liberal, if Fox is conservative".


Twitter is open for the world to use, so is stormfront. So is Reddit. So is gamefaqs. None of these are morally obligated to host views it disagrees with
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Hulkasaurusrex
10/27/18 6:06:52 PM
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Maybe if idiots stopped calling everyone a nazi we could focus on the you know actual nazis.
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BeantownHero
10/27/18 6:08:26 PM
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Would conservatives be so adamant about twitter hosting controversial views on its platform if it wasnt so popular?
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