Current Events > I am trying to play RDR2. It is not a good video game.

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I will expand more on this at a later time but the most succint summary I can give is that myriad problems that have plagued Rockstar games for ages are present in their worst iterations yet

Also hot take HD era R* games, for all their attempted and marketed technical spectacle, look like absolute shit. The animations are unsettlingly stiff and underanimated; characters often stop before convincingly coming into contact with whatever they are meant to be touching, and theres an unnerving, stiff, head-bob that affects just about anyone capable of speaking. Its seemingly a reaction to/attempt to stray from conventions of overanimation in works of fiction(?) but the result is characters who move less than any actual living being would. Were also over a decade deep at this point and they are still incapable of getting dialogue to consistently sync to their oh-so-intricate, beloved facial animations. They put so much work (and pre-release hype) into the wonder of the realistic movements, but they cant even make a person open their mouth at the same time they start talking. Hair looks like spraypainted straw. All of these visual shortcomings have existed since GTAIV, and with the exception of hair, which has made some improvement, have gotten noticeably WORSE with each title. Shit, by the time we have fully photorealistic graphics with infinite resolution or whatever, characters will just fuckin T-pose thru the game because their animations will have become imperceptibly tiny and arthritic.

This was gonna be a gameplay rant and it will be tomorrow but I also really wanted to address that. These games are consistently lauded for their visuals, but they just do not look good.
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West of Loathing

You cant even call this realism. Its tedium and inefficiency at a level no real person would subject themselves to. Nobody moves this slow. Nobody thinks about sitting down for 10 seconds before doing it. People think things, and they do them immediately.

Its straight up just bad game design.
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I agree
but hey at least I got the game for free
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I disagree with everything you've said. It looks great to me and I've been really impressed with the character animation. Walking about feels closer to real life than any game I've played.

butthole666 posted...

. Nobody moves this slow. Nobody thinks about sitting down for 10 seconds before doing it. People think things, and they do them immediately.

this is absolute nonsense and suggests you don't have much real life experience of anyone other than highly energetic young people and doesn't consider differences in etiquette and attitudes of the time

butthole666 posted...

This was gonna be a gameplay rant and it will be tomorrow but I also really wanted to address that. These games are consistently lauded for their visuals, but they just do not look good.

first person makes it look better
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Coming from a guy named butthole666 Im not sure we can take this topic seriously
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butthole666 posted...

Where are you meeting people who move their mouths after talking

Not seen this happening in the game

sleepysausage posted...

I disagree with everything you've said. It looks great to me and I've been really impressed with the character animation. Walking about feels closer to real life than any game I've played.

butthole666 posted...

. Nobody moves this slow. Nobody thinks about sitting down for 10 seconds before doing it. People think things, and they do them immediately.

this is absolute nonsense and suggests you don't have much real life experience of anyone other than highly energetic young people and doesn't consider differences in etiquette and attitudes of the time

Its a fucking videogame dude
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What this game looks great.
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I agree.
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Nall posted...

sleepysausage posted...

I disagree with everything you've said. It looks great to me and I've been really impressed with the character animation. Walking about feels closer to real life than any game I've played.

But why do we want so much realism in our games? Too much detracts and hurts a game.

Because it's fun.
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ledbowman posted...

What this game looks great.

Stills look great, hell the framerate is even commendable for consoles putting out the kind of effects it commands

Finer details and character animations are still atrocious. Im convinced R* straps people up with 50lb weights on each limb before mocap begins.
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I'm kinda blown away by the game so far tbh. I see hundreds of hours in my future.
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butthole666 posted...

sleepysausage posted...

I disagree with everything you've said. It looks great to me and I've been really impressed with the character animation. Walking about feels closer to real life than any game I've played.

butthole666 posted...

. Nobody moves this slow. Nobody thinks about sitting down for 10 seconds before doing it. People think things, and they do them immediately.

this is absolute nonsense and suggests you don't have much real life experience of anyone other than highly energetic young people and doesn't consider differences in etiquette and attitudes of the time

Its a fucking videogame dude

And it's not for you. Doesn't mean other people won't like it. Personally I'm loving it because it's offering a new experience where I get to feel like I'm living back then. Pretty cool personally for a fan of westerns. Some games can be realistic and some can be more traditionally game like, neither is wrong or bad just suits different play styles.

I'm a guy who whether it's a gameplay mechanic or not would be eating and sleeping regularly, stopping occasionally to find places where I imagine my character is having a piss or taking a dump.

Arthur is in his 30s and moves like a man in his 30s.

rockstar has become such a shit developer
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MabusIncarnate posted...

I'm kinda blown away by the game so far tbh. I see hundreds of hours in my future.

I wanted this to be that game, like the first was, but there is just so much needless garbage that actively punishes the player for daring to play the game. R*s obsession with tedium and hard-to-read information is the driving forve of the game.

RDR, in fact, was the first game where I remember squinting to read regular-ass prompts and help bubbles. Minor annoyance there, huge issue here, where our major hud features now suffer this same issue, and theres like fucking 90 different ones to keep track of.
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maybe I'm just not seeing it, but I think that the animations look great, and the voices line up with the lip movements
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all of the gameplay is bad, vast majority of the story, writing and voice acting is great

it's a bad game

sleepysausage posted...

I'm a guy who whether it's a gameplay mechanic or not would be eating and sleeping regularly, stopping occasionally to find places where I imagine my character is having a piss or taking a dump.

wtf.
The great thing about games is they arent bound by the tedium and restrictions of real life.
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...

sleepysausage posted...

I'm a guy who whether it's a gameplay mechanic or not would be eating and sleeping regularly, stopping occasionally to find places where I imagine my character is having a piss or taking a dump.

wtf.
The great thing about games is they arent bound by the tedium and restrictions of real life.

No if you didn't make Master Chief stop and pee you did it wrong.
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The game is a great cowboy simulator, what did you expect?

ledbowman posted...

Nall posted...

sleepysausage posted...

I disagree with everything you've said. It looks great to me and I've been really impressed with the character animation. Walking about feels closer to real life than any game I've played.

But why do we want so much realism in our games? Too much detracts and hurts a game.

Because it's fun.

I can't understand people who think realism is fun in video games. Next thing you know the next COD adds gun cleaning sim or adds a random chance to jam
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Anyway to turn off the hold button to do an action thing?

I wish the draw distance was greater.
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Adding realism shit mods into skyrim for me made the game even worse, you know, having to wear fur for clothing, eating, drinking, all that stuff

And that shit is default in this game, i can't imagine how annoying that can be.
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legendarylemur posted...

ledbowman posted...

Nall posted...

sleepysausage posted...

I disagree with everything you've said. It looks great to me and I've been really impressed with the character animation. Walking about feels closer to real life than any game I've played.

But why do we want so much realism in our games? Too much detracts and hurts a game.

Because it's fun.

I can't understand people who think realism is fun in video games. Next thing you know the next COD adds gun cleaning sim or adds a random chance to jam

Not in all games.
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Also I barely even have to eat. Even in a mission where I was just standing in front of guys not shooting trying to get the mission to restart, but my homies lit them up.
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