Current Events > How does it make you feel that Earth is fucked because of climate change

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There is pretty much no "pull all the stops and life goes on as usual". That boat sailed decades ago. There are basically two options. 1) human extinction and 2) we pull all the stops and humanity survives, in a dystopian future after billions are dead.
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Found the Chinese propaganda account.
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It's not, we might be, but the Earth is fine.
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Global arming is another Soros+Gore funded false flag conspiracy by the left.

Vyrulisse posted...

It's not, we might be, but the Earth is fine.

Well, sure. The earth will recover millions or billions of years in the far distant future. Humanity aint gonna survive another 1000 years at this rate unless we send a couple hundred thousand people into space
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ALLCAPSNOSPACES posted...

Global arming is another Soros+Gore funded false flag conspiracy by the left.

Shit, the left doesn't even want us armed, let alone the whole globe.
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Well I'd better make these 20 years the best years of my life huh
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Last time we saw increased temperature was the Medieval Warming Period followed by the Little Ice Age of the 16-1700s, that saw the Thames River freeze over. This coincided with a maunder minimum (a reduced amount of solar flares for an extended period of time). Today we have increased temperature and scientists are stating we are approaching the next maunder minimum mid 2020s-2030 and it is believed that there will be a decrease in temperature yet again.
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It makes me pissed man. Living in Pennsylvania, the weather is just really weird now. It JUST feels like summer is ending and really rapidly. In the last week and a half or so, the temps went from the 80s to the 40s-50s.
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We could literally double our carbon emissions and the Earth would still be fine. Unfortunately there is no quick fix for the climate crisis, we're doing the best we can but capitalism is anti-environment so it'll take awhile. Cars live about 20-25 years, so it'll be awhile before a majority of the cars on the road are electric.
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lincoln002 posted...

We could literally double our carbon emissions and the Earth would still be fine. Unfortunately there is no quick fix for the climate crisis, we're doing the best we can but capitalism is anti-environment so it'll take awhile. Cars live about 20-25 years, so it'll be awhile before a majority of the cars on the road are electric.

Too bad this needed to happen decades ago. So every effort we make, even a gunpoint all-the-stops global initiative backed by the militaries of the world would be too little too late
Also, semantics games arent cool m8
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It's gonna take hundreds of thousands of years anyway, no one cares.

StarLightGlimmR posted...

It's gonna take hundreds of thousands of years anyway, no one cares.

Probably not
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I mean, I don't believe in an afterlife and don't really have any reason to root for the future of humanity considering i'll be dead
I guess it sucks since I think the way we've treated the planet is immoral, but I have no way of experiencing it sooooo
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This sort of defeatism doesn't really mesh with how things work: yes, it's likely too late to prevent 2 degrees of warming, which would be a disastrous threshold for many. But 2 degrees is better than 3 degrees, and a hell of a lot better than 4.

It's not just some on/off switch where the paths are "everyone lives happily ever after" and "we all die instantly."
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Antifar posted...

This sort of defeatism doesn't really mesh with how things work: yes, it's likely too late to prevent 2 degrees of warming, which would be a disastrous threshold for many. But 2 degrees is better than 3 degrees, and a hell of a lot better than 4.

It's not just some on/off switch where the paths are "everyone lives happily ever after" and "we all die instantly."

Nobody has ever said "we all die instantly" but any changes we make now are too little too late. Nothing we can do will stop whats coming. Doesnt matter if 2 degrees is better than 3 degrees after billions are dead
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Rika_Furude posted...

Nothing we can do will stop whats coming.

We can actually stop a lot of what's coming! But not if we're under the impression that there's no point to damage mitigation.
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It looks pretty bleak with our current technology, but whos to say that in the future we wont be able to more fully mitigate or even reverse climate change due to greenhouse gas emissions?

In the coming years and decades, its not unreasonable to think that someone will come up with a method of removing excess greenhouse gases from Earths atmosphere and returning it to an acceptable level.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Nobody has ever said "we all die instantly" but any changes we make now are too little too late. Nothing we can do will stop whats coming. Doesnt matter if 2 degrees is better than 3 degrees after billions are dead

there's actually quite a bit that can be done though
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I dont understand you guys. Scientists have been giving us deadlines for decades. "Take action now or x happens". No action has ever been taken. Im saying its literally at the point where we have the two options i outlined in the OP. Yes, we can mitigate damage. That isnt going to save us now. It wont even save a large portion of people.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Yes, we can mitigate damage. That isnt going to save us now.

We should still mitigate damage!
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

It looks pretty bleak with our current technology, but whos to say that in the future we wont be able to more fully mitigate or even reverse climate change due to greenhouse gas emissions?

In the coming years and decades, its not unreasonable to think that someone will come up with a method of removing excess greenhouse gases from Earths atmosphere and returning it to an acceptable level.

I mean, maybe? Thats wishful thinking and prevention would have been far better than hoping someone creates a miracle cure.
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Antifar posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Yes, we can mitigate damage. That isnt going to save us now.

We should still mitigate damage!

Yes absolutely. Im just saying its too late for it to matter in terms of ongoing civilisation
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Thats wjy just play videogames at home, i dont wan children, they will be more fucked than me.
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Everyones gonna die eventually anyway
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The earth isn't "fucked" until someone sticks their wang in it.
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Sad
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"Billions" arent going to die. Only something huge from space like a large meteor impact or thermonuclear war would be able to kill on that scale.
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Duncanwii posted...

"Billions" arent going to die. Only something huge from space like a large meteor impact or thermonuclear war would be able to kill on that scale.

and you know climate change doesn't exist, because you measure the temperature every day by burying your head in the sand.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Duncanwii posted...

"Billions" arent going to die. Only something huge from space like a large meteor impact or thermonuclear war would be able to kill on that scale.

and you know climate change doesn't exist, because you measure the temperature every day by burying your head in the sand.

I believe it exists, and I believe it will be bad, I just dont believe it will be as bad and kill as many people as you claim it will.
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scientists that study this shit and warned us decades ago do.
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Rika_Furude posted...

scientists that study this shit and warned us decades ago do.

I know they do and i believe that it will eventually get to the point where things will look grim. But claiming it will lead to human extinction spits in the face of human resorcefulness and ingenuity. Even if major cities have fallen humanity will survive.
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but the fact is there is no existing technology that will save us. making decisions on the assumption that its even possible to invent such a technology, let alone that someone somewhere will actually accomplish it, is catastrophic selfishness. like, to the point where its actually evil.
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Rika_Furude posted...

but the fact is there is no existing technology that will save us. making decisions on the assumption that its even possible to invent such a technology, let alone that someone somewhere will actually accomplish it, is catastrophic selfishness. like, to the point where its actually evil.

So your choice is to just lie down and wait to die? That's cowardice. Mankind will find a way. Also I love how you label the ones trying to save the world as evil when you would do nothing and just let the world end. People like you sicken me.
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Duncanwii posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

but the fact is there is no existing technology that will save us. making decisions on the assumption that its even possible to invent such a technology, let alone that someone somewhere will actually accomplish it, is catastrophic selfishness. like, to the point where its actually evil.

So your choice is to just lie down and wait to die? That's cowardice. Mankind will find a way. Also I love how you label the ones trying to save the world as evil when you would do nothing and just let the world end. People like you sicken me.

uhh... what?

i said that the right choice of action was to start making the right decisions decades ago. Thats what HAD to be done. It never happened. So unless a miracle happens, bye bye humanity. It was cowardice for people to say "fuck you, got mine" in regards to polluting the world and destroying civilizations future.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Yes, we can mitigate damage. That isnt going to save us now. It wont even save a large portion of people.

There are a lot of actions we can take that will literally save a large portion of people. One is to strengthen infrastructures everywhere so that places are ready for refugees. Because there will be tons of refugees.
Sure, it's very unlikely we would be able to reverse or break the warming such that we don't hit 2 degrees. But there are a lot of lifestyle changes we could still conceivably do to (1) break the warming so that it doesn't get even worse and (2) be ready for the types of disasters that will only become more frequent.

And it's certainly not enough to replace all cars with electric cars. Building that many electric cars would be bad for the environment. What's needed is bigger, systematic changes. Rethinking how much we actually need to travel. Rethinking how societies should look like so we don't all need individual cars, etc. I really don't think it's gonna happen, but the kind of change we need is that fundamental.
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Rika_Furude posted...

Duncanwii posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

but the fact is there is no existing technology that will save us. making decisions on the assumption that its even possible to invent such a technology, let alone that someone somewhere will actually accomplish it, is catastrophic selfishness. like, to the point where its actually evil.

So your choice is to just lie down and wait to die? That's cowardice. Mankind will find a way. Also I love how you label the ones trying to save the world as evil when you would do nothing and just let the world end. People like you sicken me.

uhh... what?

i said that the right choice of action was to start making the right decisions decades ago. Thats what HAD to be done. It never happened. So unless a miracle happens, bye bye humanity. It was cowardice for people to say "fuck you, got mine" in regards to polluting the world and destroying civilizations future.

And I say humanity will live. We're too resourceful to let a thing like extreme weather bring us down. Nature throws a heat wave at us we respond with air conditioning. Nature throws an extreme heat wave at us we respond with megacities with perpetual air conditioning. You see unlike you who has already given up and flops around like a fish out of water I actually have hope and believe that humanity is smart and resourceful enough to make it through anything. Bit you wouldnt know anything about that, do you?
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the earth isn't fucked tho, humanity is

and that's fine

Duncanwii posted...

And I say humanity will live. We're too resourceful to let a thing like extreme weather bring us down. Nature throws a heat wave at us we respond with air conditioning. Nature throws an extreme heat wave at us we respond with megacities with perpetual air conditioning. You see unlike you who has already given up and flops around like a fish out of water I actually have hope and believe that humanity is smart and resourceful enough to make it through anything. Bit you wouldnt know anything about that, do you?

Humanity will live, but it will do so at the expense of millions (probably billions) of poor, vulnerable people.
...meaning, not very different from right now.
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scar the 1 posted...

Duncanwii posted...

And I say humanity will live. We're too resourceful to let a thing like extreme weather bring us down. Nature throws a heat wave at us we respond with air conditioning. Nature throws an extreme heat wave at us we respond with megacities with perpetual air conditioning. You see unlike you who has already given up and flops around like a fish out of water I actually have hope and believe that humanity is smart and resourceful enough to make it through anything. Bit you wouldnt know anything about that, do you?

Humanity will live, but it will do so at the expense of millions (probably billions) of poor, vulnerable people.
...meaning, not very different from right now.

Once humanity perfects asteroid mining we'll have access to near unlimited tapable resources. Water can be made in labs, so can food. As technology gets more advanced we can offset dwindling oil supplies by by tuning to alternative power sources, like wind and solar. Like I said "billions" of people will not die.
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My dad is convinced this can be taken back.

I dont know, though.
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I look forward to giant crocodiles and sharks returning. And the demise of humanity. We are a blight.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

I look forward to giant crocodiles and sharks returning. And the demise of humanity. We are a blight.

And you you the humans who are a traitor to your species, the ones who would jump for joy when the first nuke launches, the ones who would throw a party when the meteor hits, I dispose you most of all.
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https://twitter.com/NASAEarth/status/1053373375773577217

"The key thing to remember about the report is that its clear that the best time to have reduced emissions was 25 years ago, but the second best time to reduce emissions is right now. Gavin Schmidt on the recent @IPCC_CH report. https://go.nasa.gov/2OBTa64

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scar the 1 posted...

https://twitter.com/NASAEarth/status/1053373375773577217

"The key thing to remember about the report is that its clear that the best time to have reduced emissions was 25 years ago, but the second best time to reduce emissions is right now. Gavin Schmidt on the recent @IPCC_CH report. https://go.nasa.gov/2OBTa64

I thought everyone named "Gavin" were shitheads.

Myself included.
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Solid Sonic posted...

scar the 1 posted...

https://twitter.com/NASAEarth/status/1053373375773577217

"The key thing to remember about the report is that its clear that the best time to have reduced emissions was 25 years ago, but the second best time to reduce emissions is right now. Gavin Schmidt on the recent @IPCC_CH report. https://go.nasa.gov/2OBTa64

I thought everyone named "Gavin" were shitheads.

Myself included.

shitheads can still be right, no?
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I dunno, I'm just going off that Proud Boys thing.
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Earth is fine, we're the ones who are fucked.

I don't really care. It'll be fine for my lifetime, and I don't have kids. Humans kind of deserve whatever comes our way tbh
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