Current Events > Do you support the #MeToo movement?

(+) Yeah! (+)

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Yes is winning but it is close
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I'm not a scumbag so...
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In general, yes.
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I voted no but I sort of mean yes because it entertains me.

Love a good witch hunt as long as I'm not the one being witch hunted obviously.

So the scumbag in me loves it, the good human in me thinks it's a terrible thing.

You realize (you don't) that the metoo movement is independent of any particular accusation and it's an opportunity for women to collective voice their victimization without having to go into details?
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I'm general yes
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You realize (you don't) that the metoo movement is independent of any particular accusation and it's an opportunity for women to collective voice their victimization without having to go into details?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo" data-time="&start=9
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in general sure
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UnfairRepresent posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You realize (you don't) that the metoo movement is independent of any particular accusation and it's an opportunity for women to collective voice their victimization without having to go into details?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo" data-time="&start=9

Talking to GaryGaryGary.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You realize (you don't) that the metoo movement is independent of any particular accusation and it's an opportunity for women to collective voice their victimization without having to go into details?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo" data-time="&start=9

Talking to GaryGaryGary.

I can type #metoo into twitter and see what it is for myself.

Not sure what you think you're telling me.

The concept of encouraging people enough to stand up and speak out is a good thing. The aftermath of rabid people calling for each and every case to be instantly crucified regardless of merit and the actions of companies kowtowing to such people is a bad thing. Being open minded to accusations is fine, but believing things despite them seeming fake or condemning stuff that's not actual harassment (i.e. a bad date or a controlling but consensual relationship) is the problem.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

You realize (you don't) that the metoo movement is independent of any particular accusation and it's an opportunity for women to collective voice their victimization without having to go into details?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo" data-time="

Are you... trying to sell him on cocoa?
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This Pound Me Too movement can be beneficial to both women and men. I was groped by several female coworkers when I worked in Accounting and I did enjoy it, but I realize now that I never actually gave consent, so I no longer think fondly of those times.
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In idea.
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I'm all about more pounding
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I do.

However, I think now it needs to evolve into something more than a medium for victims to come forward.
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The general principle, yes.

Believe all women fuck no.
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No, they need to have reported it as soon as possible, not after theyve made millions
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I agree with it insofar as i agree with giving women, and people in general, an empowered, public banner through which they can share prior abuses and feel safe in seeking justice.

I do not, however, agree with the afterbirth that is the "guilty until proven innocent, every accusation is 100% legit, immediate public castigation" mentality the movement has fostered. Far too easy for shitpeople to abuse, and anyone who cant see how it's a dangerous weapon is deluding themselves

it's in general a really great, important thing.

ignoring (rare) false accusations, it's pretty fucked that a lot of people don't want women to speak up about being uncomfortable in situations, even when they are in a gray area (just because you think someone is okay doesn't mean it is okay to others).

At the same time, I also think that the stigma around "sexual harassment/assault" needs to be changed. Right now, people who commit these acts are treated as absolute monsters, whereas the truth is that in many cases the issue is due to miscommunication, or in many cases, a lack of communication on the part of one/both/multiple parties. We need to, as a society, acknowledge that these things happen, and can be an honest mistake. If people feel comfortable talking about when these situations as they occur (both victims and perpetrators), then the situations in many cases can be deescalated immediately, which would be best for all people involved. However, victims are afraid of speaking up, and people are afraid to admit that they crossed lines because of the overly harsh (I think) stigma of what is actually a very common problem that is avoidable if people are mature and honest about it.

In many cases, these things are avoidable if people aren't afraid to openly talk about what's going on, and stopping it right there.

In theory, yes, but in practice?... LMFAO no.
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Vicious_Dios posted...

In theory, yes, but in practice?... LMFAO no.

Care to elaborate
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I support the original intent behind the movement. I don't support what the movement has become.
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Like the concept of BLM the #MeToo movement as an idea is good, how they have been executed and put into practice is horrible.
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#MeToo was so nebulous and considering the need for people to belong... it began to encompass any petty complaint of a sexual nature. "guy wanted sex on the first date, I'm a victim"

People didn't want to be left out so they stretched out what constituted a "MeToo" experience, even if they weren't ever really a victim of anything.
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Yes, sexual harassment and assault is a social problem that we may not be able to fully fix, but we can do a lot to mitigate if we talk about it and make it clear just how common it is, and then use that information to craft some new social norms that heavily discourage that kind of treatment and therein make life safer for everybody. What I want is for the performative aspects of this we see circulating around Hollywood and associated celebrity to affect every day people working in every day society.

Some people want to clutch their pearls about a 'witch hunt' or about the movement 'going too far.' I think they need to get off of social media and look around their personal surroundings and see their worlds have not changed. No one has fired them yet for those comments they made about their coworker, no one's kid has had their college acceptance revoked because of some prank they pulled in the closing weeks of the school year. Those examples that make the news are newsworthy because they are so rare.

Instead we're seeing the opposite. Good ol' boys and soccer moms throwing themselves in front of rhetorical bullets to try and handwave the misbehavior of (largely) men (old and young, notice how people still refer to Don Jr. as 'boy' when characterizing the Trump Tower meeting), and giving word service to the idea of improving ourselves to improve society. Both the reactive outrage to a perceived 'slippery slope trend' that has no basis in reality and the gut defense of definite wrongdoing are attempting to muddy the waters distract from the actual problem of our permissive attitude towards sexually aggressive behaviors and ultimately prevent the culture from changing.
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in concept, yes.

in practice, fuck no.

shit like this is just counter-productive:
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/james-franco-snubbed-oscar-nominations-sexual-harassment-scandal-disaster-artist-1202672545/
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In theory: yes
In practice though: also yes