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Antifar 10/17/18 2:21:17 PM #1:	https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/411766-dems-damp-down-hopes-for-climate-change-agenda Democrats are unlikely to pursue major climate change legislation if they win the House majority, despite a growing body of evidence suggesting time is running out to address the issue. This represents a shift in strategy from when House Democrats last controlled the chamber. In 2009, they passed cap-and-trade legislation, which subsequently died in the Democratic-controlled Senate. The game plan for next year, House Democrats say, is more incremental steps and hearings. With President Trump in the White House and Republicans favored to keep the Senate next year, climate legislation would face stiff headwinds, and pushing it could spark backlash from the right both now and after the Nov. 6 midterm elections. Considering those constraints, said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), Democrats should focus on the practical and the opportunistic to make short-term progress while fighting for bolder measures the aspirational goals over the longer term. Its going to be, I think, more of an opportunistic strategy, where, in various pieces of legislation, across the board, were going to insert measures that address climate change, said Connolly, a leader in the Sustainable Energy and Environment Coalition. The office of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), a fierce environmentalist who ushered the cap-and-trade bill through the lower chamber almost a decade ago, declined to comment about the Democrats future climate plans. Pelosi has been touring the country stumping for Democratic candidates, with a focus on economic and health-care issues. Others anticipate a piecemeal approach to climate policy if the Democrats win the chamber. I could imagine that we can do ancillary pieces that are very much reinforcing this issue and concern for climate change, said Rep. Paul Tonko (N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Energy and Commerce Committees environment subcommittee. Not all Democrats share that view. Faced with more data on a warming planet and the role of human activity in exacerbating the trend some lawmakers want the party to use its would-be majority to push a bold, sweeping package to hike the cost of carbon emissions. Their urgency has been fueled by a new report from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which forecasts impacts like massive coral reef die-offs, increased drought and sea-level rise by 2040 if emissions are not significantly cut by 2030. The reports authors said current climate policies and the 2015 Paris agreement which Trump promised to exit are not nearly enough to avoid disaster. I do think we need to go big, said Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.). Im all for incrementalism in policy. We do lots and lots of it, and its a good way to move forward. But this situation is so serious that we cant do it in little steps. Beyer acknowledged the political hurdles facing such a plan, not least Trumps rejection of consensus climate science. But he sees a path for working with moderate Republican senators and getting a climate change bill to the presidents desk. If it gets that far, he thinks Trump enticed by the opportunity to claim a victory might change his tune. Politically, it wouldnt be smart for Democrats to give him a win, but were not talking about politics, were talking about the fate of the planet and the fate of humanity, Beyer said. Rep. Ted Deutch (D-Fla.), a co-chairman of the bipartisan, 90-member Climate Solutions Caucus, rejected the notion that pricing-up carbon is beyond reach, even in the current political environment. Hes pushing for a bipartisan carbon-fee bill that, if passed by the House, would then put pressure on Trump and Senate Republicans to act. continued... --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:910688939] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote>https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/411766-dems-damp-down-hopes-for-climate-change-agenda <quote>Democrats are unlikely to pursue major climate change legislation if they win the House majority, despite a growing body of evidence suggesting time is running out to address the issue. This represents a shift in strategy from when House Democrats last controlled the chamber. In 2009, they passed cap-and-trade legislation, which subsequently died in the Democratic-controlled Senate. The game plan for next year, House Democrats say, is more incremental steps and hearings. With President Trump in the White House and Republicans favored to keep the Senate next year, climate legislation would face stiff headwinds, and pushing it could spark backlash from the right both now and after the Nov. 6 midterm elections. Considering those constraints, said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), Democrats should focus on the practical and the opportunistic to make short-term progress while fighting for bolder measures the aspirational goals over the longer term. Its going to be, I think, more of an opportunistic strategy, where, in various pieces of legislation, across the board, were going to insert measures that address climate change, said Connolly, a leader in the Sustainable Energy and Environment Coalition. The office of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), a fierce environmentalist who ushered the cap-and-trade bill through the lower chamber almost a decade ago, declined to comment about the Democrats future climate plans. Pelosi has been touring the country stumping for Democratic candidates, with a focus on economic and health-care issues. Others anticipate a piecemeal approach to climate policy if the Democrats win the chamber. I could imagine that we can do ancillary pieces that are very much reinforcing this issue and concern for climate change, said Rep. Paul Tonko (N.Y.), the top Democrat on the House Energy and Commerce Committees environment subcommittee. Not all Democrats share that view. Faced with more data on a warming planet and the role of human activity in exacerbating the trend some lawmakers want the party to use its would-be majority to push a bold, sweeping package to hike the cost of carbon emissions. Their urgency has been fueled by a new report from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which forecasts impacts like massive coral reef die-offs, increased drought and sea-level rise by 2040 if emissions are not significantly cut by 2030. The reports authors said current climate policies and the 2015 Paris agreement which Trump promised to exit are not nearly enough to avoid disaster. I do think we need to go big, said Rep. Don Beyer (D-Va.). Im all for incrementalism in policy. We do lots and lots of it, and its a good way to move forward. But this situation is so serious that we cant do it in little steps. Beyer acknowledged the political hurdles facing such a plan, not least Trumps rejection of consensus climate science. But he sees a path for working with moderate Republican senators and getting a climate change bill to the presidents desk. If it gets that far, he thinks Trump enticed by the opportunity to claim a victory might change his tune. Politically, it wouldnt be smart for Democrats to give him a win, but were not talking about politics, were talking about the fate of the planet and the fate of humanity, Beyer said. Rep. Ted Deutch (D-Fla.), a co-chairman of the bipartisan, 90-member Climate Solutions Caucus, rejected the notion that pricing-up carbon is beyond reach, even in the current political environment. Hes pushing for a bipartisan carbon-fee bill that, if passed by the House, would then put pressure on Trump and Senate Republicans to act. continued...</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 10/17/18 2:23:47 PM #2:	I've already accepted that the US won't make any meaningful moves on the climate change problem no matter who is in charge. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:910689057] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote>I've already accepted that the US won't make any meaningful moves on the climate change problem no matter who is in charge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bananana 10/17/18 2:25:05 PM #3:	Climate change is gonna be killing millions in the next 20 years, Ive accepted that itll probably lead to global catastrophe in my lifetime <cite>Bananana posted [p:910689134] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote>Climate change is gonna be killing millions in the next 20 years, Ive accepted that itll probably lead to global catastrophe in my lifetime</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soylentgreen 10/17/18 2:25:39 PM #4:	300 million people aren't going to stop 7+ billion (and growing) from changing the climate. Anything short of a climate change tyrant isn't to make a difference. I'm willing to give up on the issue. We just aren't the generation to do it. --- u lookin at the real lib now, wat u gonna do about it, u used to think u owned the street, bring it on, victory is sweet, heres ur receipt, wat u gonna do <cite>soylentgreen posted [p:910689172] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote>300 million people aren't going to stop 7+ billion (and growing) from changing the climate. Anything short of a climate change tyrant isn't to make a difference. I'm willing to give up on the issue. We just aren't the generation to do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 10/17/18 2:33:17 PM #5:	soylentgreen posted... 300 million people aren't going to stop 7+ billion (and growing) from changing the climate. Anything short of a climate change tyrant isn't to make a difference. I'm willing to give up on the issue. We just aren't the generation to do it. Yeah, you're right. The country that produced the 2nd most carbon emissions in 2016 definitely can't do anything about this(http://www.globalcarbonatlas.org/en/CO2-emissions) and the absence of the premier global power in all efforts to do anything about it has no effect at all, I'm sure. As per the topic, I'd say the Democratic politicians quoted were being realistic given the likelihood that the Republicans will retain a Senate majority and the fact that the president believes this is all a Chinese hoax or whatever, but then there's also no reason to believe that they have any intention of doing anything ambitious policy-wise. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:910689629] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote><cite>soylentgreen posted...</cite> <quote>300 million people aren't going to stop 7+ billion (and growing) from changing the climate. Anything short of a climate change tyrant isn't to make a difference. I'm willing to give up on the issue. We just aren't the generation to do it.</quote> Yeah, you're right. The country that produced the 2nd most carbon emissions in 2016 definitely can't do anything about this(http://www.globalcarbonatlas.org/en/CO2-emissions) and the absence of the premier global power in all efforts to do anything about it has no effect at all, I'm sure. As per the topic, I'd say the Democratic politicians quoted were being realistic given the likelihood that the Republicans will retain a Senate majority and the fact that the president believes this is all a Chinese hoax or whatever, but then there's also no reason to believe that they have any intention of doing anything ambitious policy-wise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/17/18 2:34:29 PM #6:	Cuz fuck earth, right conservatrolls? --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910689694] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote>Cuz fuck earth, right conservatrolls?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
X-Pac_Heat 10/17/18 2:35:14 PM #7:	spudger posted... Cuz fuck earth, right conservatrolls? Go yell at china --- "Jokes on you, I didn't start paying attention to you until TWO years ago!" ---- Conflict <cite>X-Pac_Heat posted [p:910689739] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>Cuz fuck earth, right conservatrolls?</quote> Go yell at china</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
soylentgreen 10/17/18 2:36:28 PM #8:	"after enriching our lives beyond imagination with sweet powerful fossil fuels we declare it icky, no one else do it" "yeah fuck you" --- u lookin at the real lib now, wat u gonna do about it, u used to think u owned the street, bring it on, victory is sweet, heres ur receipt, wat u gonna do <cite>soylentgreen posted [p:910689809] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote>"after enriching our lives beyond imagination with sweet powerful fossil fuels we declare it icky, no one else do it" "yeah fuck you"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
slothica 10/17/18 2:36:58 PM #9:	X-Pac_Heat posted... Go yell at china We're all collectively responsible for this. I mean, I still don't give a shit, but we are. --- I'm as sweet as a cherry pie, but sometimes very wicked. slothica the undying, wicked witch of CE <cite>slothica posted [p:910689833] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote><cite>X-Pac_Heat posted...</cite> <quote>Go yell at china</quote> We're all collectively responsible for this. I mean, I still don't give a shit, but we are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/17/18 2:39:52 PM #10:	X-Pac_Heat posted... Go yell at china China is taking action: https://www.wri.org/blog/2017/03/china-making-progress-climate-goals-faster-expected https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15052017/china-india-paris-climate-goals-emissions-coal-renewable-energy --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:910690034] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote><cite>X-Pac_Heat posted...</cite> <quote>Go yell at china </quote> China is taking action: https://www.wri.org/blog/2017/03/china-making-progress-climate-goals-faster-expected https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15052017/china-india-paris-climate-goals-emissions-coal-renewable-energy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/17/18 2:41:17 PM #11:	Antifar posted... X-Pac_Heat posted... Go yell at china China is taking action: https://www.wri.org/blog/2017/03/china-making-progress-climate-goals-faster-expected https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15052017/china-india-paris-climate-goals-emissions-coal-renewable-energy Damn were worse than China --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910690124] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>X-Pac_Heat posted...</cite> <quote>Go yell at china </quote> China is taking action: https://www.wri.org/blog/2017/03/china-making-progress-climate-goals-faster-expected https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15052017/china-india-paris-climate-goals-emissions-coal-renewable-energy</quote> Damn were worse than China</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
X-Pac_Heat 10/17/18 2:41:41 PM #12:	Antifar posted... X-Pac_Heat posted... Go yell at china China is taking action: https://www.wri.org/blog/2017/03/china-making-progress-climate-goals-faster-expected https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15052017/china-india-paris-climate-goals-emissions-coal-renewable-energy If they really are then it's time we get back on board then --- "Jokes on you, I didn't start paying attention to you until TWO years ago!" ---- Conflict <cite>X-Pac_Heat posted [p:910690152] in Dems damp ... [t:77106239]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>X-Pac_Heat posted...</cite> <quote>Go yell at china </quote> China is taking action: https://www.wri.org/blog/2017/03/china-making-progress-climate-goals-faster-expected https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15052017/china-india-paris-climate-goals-emissions-coal-renewable-energy</quote> If they really are then it's time we get back on board then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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