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TroutPaste 10/15/18 7:06:48 PM #1:	Trump: "Get a DNA test" Probably got a better one than Ancestry.com or 23andMe "Those aren't real" https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/10/15/kellyanne-conway-called-elizabeth-warrens-dna-test-junk-science-is-it/ After news that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) released DNA results showing that she had a distant Native American ancestor something President Trump had dared her to do White House counselor Kellyanne Conway dismissed the DNA test, calling it junk science. I havent looked at the test, Conway told reporters Monday morning. I know that everybody likes to pick their junk science or sound science depending on the conclusion, it seems some days. But is it junk science? Jennifer Raff, an assistant professor in the anthropology department at the University of Kansas, said the geneticist who analyzed Warrens DNA is a prominent scholar in the field, and the method he used and the way he used it was appropriate. Raff, who has read the report, said the geneticist looked at Warrens chromosomes and was able to trace segments of them back to a Native American ancestor about six to 10 generations ago. The approach he took was solid, she said, and I would trust these results. However, they only speak to ancestry, not tribal affiliation or identity as a Native American. Experts said the geneticist, Carlos D. Bustamante, analyzed Warrens genome, looking at genetic markers inherited from her ancestors, and was able to determine which groups her DNA came from. The process, known as chromosome mapping, is the same one used in commercial DNA tests, but Raff, with the University of Kansas, said Bustamantes approach scrutinized the information more closely. Warren released her DNA test results to the Boston Globe, which reported that the test shows strong evidence that she had a Native American ancestor. According to the Boston Globe, Bustamante discovered that Warrens ancestors were largely European but that the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor. It stated: Bustamante calculated that Warrens pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree in the range of 6-10 generations ago. That timing fits Warrens family lore, passed down during her Oklahoma upbringing, that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was at least partially Native American --- Steam 4leaf440 / PSN TroutPaste89 / XBL FourLeaf440 <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:910587441] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Trump: "Get a DNA test" Probably got a better one than Ancestry.com or 23andMe "Those aren't real" https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/10/15/kellyanne-conway-called-elizabeth-warrens-dna-test-junk-science-is-it/ After news that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) released DNA results showing that she had a distant Native American ancestor something President Trump had dared her to do White House counselor Kellyanne Conway dismissed the DNA test, calling it junk science. I havent looked at the test, Conway told reporters Monday morning. I know that everybody likes to pick their junk science or sound science depending on the conclusion, it seems some days. But is it junk science? Jennifer Raff, an assistant professor in the anthropology department at the University of Kansas, said the geneticist who analyzed Warrens DNA is a prominent scholar in the field, and the method he used and the way he used it was appropriate. Raff, who has read the report, said the geneticist looked at Warrens chromosomes and was able to trace segments of them back to a Native American ancestor about six to 10 generations ago. The approach he took was solid, she said, and I would trust these results. However, they only speak to ancestry, not tribal affiliation or identity as a Native American. Experts said the geneticist, Carlos D. Bustamante, analyzed Warrens genome, looking at genetic markers inherited from her ancestors, and was able to determine which groups her DNA came from. The process, known as chromosome mapping, is the same one used in commercial DNA tests, but Raff, with the University of Kansas, said Bustamantes approach scrutinized the information more closely. Warren released her DNA test results to the Boston Globe, which reported that the test shows strong evidence that she had a Native American ancestor. According to the Boston Globe, Bustamante discovered that Warrens ancestors were largely European but that the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor. It stated: Bustamante calculated that Warrens pure Native American ancestor appears in her family tree in the range of 6-10 generations ago. That timing fits Warrens family lore, passed down during her Oklahoma upbringing, that her great-great-great-grandmother, O.C. Sarah Smith, was at least partially Native American </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 10/15/18 7:06:55 PM #2:	It added: There were five parts of Warrens DNA that signaled she had a Native American ancestor, according to the report. The largest piece of Native American DNA was found on her 10th chromosome, according to the report. Each human has 23 pairs of chromosomes. It really stood out, said Bustamante in an interview. We found five segments, and that long segment was pretty significant. It tells us about one ancestor, and we cant rule out more ancestors. He added: We are confident it is not an error. How to interpret the results, experts said, is a separate matter. The real question is not whether she has a Native American ancestor the question is what does this mean? Raff, with the University of Kansas, said about Warrens DNA test results. Its important to know that DNA ancestry and heritage are not the same thing as tribal affiliation or cultural identity, she said, adding: I also think its important that Senator Warren is not making the claim that she belongs to a tribe or identifies as a Native American; shes just talking about her familys history. I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. Native American identity is based not on genetics but on culture and history. Kim TallBear, Canada research chair in Indigenous Peoples, Technoscience and Environment at the University of Alberta, called Warrens claims yet another strike against tribal sovereignty. She and much of the U.S. American public privilege the voices of (mostly white) genome scientists and implicitly cede to them the power to define Indigenous identity, TallBear said about the senator in a statement. Tribal governments establish regulations that do not use genetic ancestry tests, but other forms of biological and political relationships to define our citizenries. Indigenous definitions of who we are continue to be background noise in Democrat vs. Republic party warring, TallBear said. Warrens attention continues to be focused on settler state electoral politics and not good relationships with Indigenous communities. In July, Trump took aim at Warrens claims that she is of Native American ancestry, telling his supporters at a campaign rally that he would give $1 million to the senators chosen charity as soon as she took a DNA test and it showed she was right. Trump said he would give Warren, who is rumored to be a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, a test kit during the debate. Im going to get one of those little kits and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that shes of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheekbones thats her only evidence, that her mother said she has high cheekbones, Trump told the crowd in Montana. And we will very gently take that kit, slowly toss it, hoping it doesnt hit her and injure her arm, even though it only weighs probably 2 ounces, and we will say, I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows youre an Indian. "And well see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no, but we will hold it for the debates. Warren wrote Monday morning on social media that she had not forgotten Trumps promise. When asked Monday whether he had heard that Warren released her DNA test results, Trump said, Who cares? I didnt say that, the president said when asked about his million-dollar promise. Youd better read it again. --- Steam 4leaf440 / PSN TroutPaste89 / XBL FourLeaf440 <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:910587444] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>It added: There were five parts of Warrens DNA that signaled she had a Native American ancestor, according to the report. The largest piece of Native American DNA was found on her 10th chromosome, according to the report. Each human has 23 pairs of chromosomes. It really stood out, said Bustamante in an interview. We found five segments, and that long segment was pretty significant. It tells us about one ancestor, and we cant rule out more ancestors. He added: We are confident it is not an error. How to interpret the results, experts said, is a separate matter. The real question is not whether she has a Native American ancestor the question is what does this mean? Raff, with the University of Kansas, said about Warrens DNA test results. Its important to know that DNA ancestry and heritage are not the same thing as tribal affiliation or cultural identity, she said, adding: I also think its important that Senator Warren is not making the claim that she belongs to a tribe or identifies as a Native American; shes just talking about her familys history. I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. Native American identity is based not on genetics but on culture and history. Kim TallBear, Canada research chair in Indigenous Peoples, Technoscience and Environment at the University of Alberta, called Warrens claims yet another strike against tribal sovereignty. She and much of the U.S. American public privilege the voices of (mostly white) genome scientists and implicitly cede to them the power to define Indigenous identity, TallBear said about the senator in a statement. Tribal governments establish regulations that do not use genetic ancestry tests, but other forms of biological and political relationships to define our citizenries. Indigenous definitions of who we are continue to be background noise in Democrat vs. Republic party warring, TallBear said. Warrens attention continues to be focused on settler state electoral politics and not good relationships with Indigenous communities. In July, Trump took aim at Warrens claims that she is of Native American ancestry, telling his supporters at a campaign rally that he would give $1 million to the senators chosen charity as soon as she took a DNA test and it showed she was right. Trump said he would give Warren, who is rumored to be a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, a test kit during the debate. Im going to get one of those little kits and in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that shes of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheekbones thats her only evidence, that her mother said she has high cheekbones, Trump told the crowd in Montana. And we will very gently take that kit, slowly toss it, hoping it doesnt hit her and injure her arm, even though it only weighs probably 2 ounces, and we will say, I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows youre an Indian. "And well see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no, but we will hold it for the debates. Warren wrote Monday morning on social media that she had not forgotten Trumps promise. When asked Monday whether he had heard that Warren released her DNA test results, Trump said, Who cares? I didnt say that, the president said when asked about his million-dollar promise. Youd better read it again.</quote> ... 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Sayoria 10/15/18 7:08:24 PM #3:	These Republicans are just outright stupid. They are absolutely impossible to please. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:910587521] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>These Republicans are just outright stupid. They are absolutely impossible to please.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/15/18 7:08:54 PM #4:	God damn why is this even a thing. America sucks. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910587559] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>God damn why is this even a thing. America sucks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 10/15/18 7:10:02 PM #5:	We don't need any more Elizabeth Warren topics for conservatives to froth at the mouth over thanks --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: nothing :( <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:910587615] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>We don't need any more Elizabeth Warren topics for conservatives to froth at the mouth over thanks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/15/18 7:10:12 PM #6:	This woman is a threat to America --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910587626] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>This woman is a threat to America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 10/15/18 7:10:23 PM #7:	Alpha218 posted... We don't need any more Elizabeth Warren topics for conservatives to froth at the mouth over thanks this is a revelation tho they made it worse --- Steam 4leaf440 / PSN TroutPaste89 / XBL FourLeaf440 <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:910587636] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>We don't need any more Elizabeth Warren topics for conservatives to froth at the mouth over thanks</quote> this is a revelation tho they made it worse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Davidk9292 10/15/18 7:10:48 PM #8:	TroutPaste posted... I know that everybody likes to pick their junk science or sound science depending on the conclusion, it seems some days. Like you're doing? <cite>Davidk9292 posted [p:910587655] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote>I know that everybody likes to pick their junk science or sound science depending on the conclusion, it seems some days.</quote> Like you're doing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 10/15/18 7:10:49 PM #9:	Shes not paid to understand things or be right, shes paid to look good and shill. I dont know how anyone could be surprised at anything she says at this point --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:910587660] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Shes not paid to understand things or be right, shes paid to look good and shill. I dont know how anyone could be surprised at anything she says at this point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/15/18 7:11:06 PM #10:	Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:910587676] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 10/15/18 7:11:27 PM #11:	TroutPaste posted... Alpha218 posted... We don't need any more Elizabeth Warren topics for conservatives to froth at the mouth over thanks this is a revelation tho they made it worse You act like the conservatives care that it's "worse" Also liberals don't give a shit about the Pocahontas thing in the first place --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: nothing :( <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:910587692] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>We don't need any more Elizabeth Warren topics for conservatives to froth at the mouth over thanks</quote> this is a revelation tho they made it worse</quote> You act like the conservatives care that it's "worse" Also liberals don't give a shit about the Pocahontas thing in the first place</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Davidk9292 10/15/18 7:12:11 PM #12:	Antifar posted... Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this Trump. It outright says it. TroutPaste posted... After news that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) released DNA results showing that she had a distant Native American ancestor something President Trump had dared her to do White House counselor Kellyanne Conway dismissed the DNA test, calling it junk science. <cite>Davidk9292 posted [p:910587720] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this</quote> Trump. It outright says it. <cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote>After news that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) released DNA results showing that she had a distant Native American ancestor something President Trump had dared her to do White House counselor Kellyanne Conway dismissed the DNA test, calling it junk science. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 10/15/18 7:12:23 PM #13:	Antifar posted... Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this Yeah it was really stupid. No one cares apart from those who will never be pleased --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:910587730] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this</quote> Yeah it was really stupid. No one cares apart from those who will never be pleased</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 10/15/18 7:18:49 PM #14:	UnfairRepresent posted... Antifar posted... Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this Yeah it was really stupid. No one cares apart from those who will never be pleased He bet $1,000,000 now he is a welch he's beyond welching, he won't even admit it was said. Derp you're the President, everything you say is recorded --- Steam 4leaf440 / PSN TroutPaste89 / XBL FourLeaf440 <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:910588027] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this</quote> Yeah it was really stupid. No one cares apart from those who will never be pleased</quote> He bet $1,000,000 now he is a welch he's beyond welching, he won't even admit it was said. Derp you're the President, everything you say is recorded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 10/15/18 7:20:41 PM #15:	hockeybub89 posted... God damn why is this even a thing. America sucks. iF yOu DoNt LiKe It ThEn LeAvE <cite>Reis posted [p:910588117] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>God damn why is this even a thing. America sucks.</quote> iF yOu DoNt LiKe It ThEn LeAvE</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/15/18 7:21:49 PM #16:	Reis posted... hockeybub89 posted... God damn why is this even a thing. America sucks. iF yOu DoNt LiKe It ThEn LeAvE Id rather the scumbag fat fuck go to jail --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910588168] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Reis posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>God damn why is this even a thing. America sucks.</quote> iF yOu DoNt LiKe It ThEn LeAvE</quote> Id rather the scumbag fat fuck go to jail</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/15/18 7:21:53 PM #17:	Davidk9292 posted... Antifar posted... Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this Trump. It outright says it. TroutPaste posted... After news that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) released DNA results showing that she had a distant Native American ancestor something President Trump had dared her to do White House counselor Kellyanne Conway dismissed the DNA test, calling it junk science. Look how well that's going. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:910588171] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Davidk9292 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Not sure who Warren thought she was appeasing with this</quote> Trump. It outright says it. <cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote>After news that Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) released DNA results showing that she had a distant Native American ancestor something President Trump had dared her to do White House counselor Kellyanne Conway dismissed the DNA test, calling it junk science. </quote></quote> Look how well that's going.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 10/15/18 7:25:05 PM #18:	Obama knew better. You dont give into these lunatics. Exposing them as welchers doesn't matter? Remember when Hannity agreed to get waterboarded? --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:910588309] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Obama knew better. You dont give into these lunatics. Exposing them as welchers doesn't matter? Remember when Hannity agreed to get waterboarded?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 10/15/18 7:25:10 PM #19:	TroutPaste posted... I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. Interesting --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:910588314] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote>I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. </quote> Interesting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Complete_Idi0t 10/15/18 7:26:13 PM #20:	Next thing you know he'll ask Obama for his birth certificate and then declare it a fake when Obama produces it <cite>Complete_Idi0t posted [p:910588373] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Next thing you know he'll ask Obama for his birth certificate and then declare it a fake when Obama produces it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StucklnMyPants 10/15/18 7:26:42 PM #21:	I'm not sure about the whole junk science quote, as it really isn't. It being weaponized for different motivations is another matter entirely. However, I have no idea why Warren has decided to double down on this. It's not like anybody sees her as Native American. And when an article has to release a clarification (below), it certainly doesn't look good and is probably only going to hurt her. Correction: Due to a math error, a story about Elizabeth Warren misstated the ancestry percentage of a potential 6th to 10th generation relative. The generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests shes between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American. --- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. <cite>StucklnMyPants posted [p:910588391] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure about the whole junk science quote, as it really isn't. It being weaponized for different motivations is another matter entirely. However, I have no idea why Warren has decided to double down on this. It's not like anybody sees her as Native American. And when an article has to release a clarification (below), it certainly doesn't look good and is probably only going to hurt her. <quote>Correction: Due to a math error, a story about Elizabeth Warren misstated the ancestry percentage of a potential 6th to 10th generation relative. The generational range based on the ancestor that the report identified suggests shes between 1/64th and 1/1,024th Native American.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 10/15/18 7:28:10 PM #22:	What else do you expect from this administration? Had Copernicus been a democrat, they would tell you that heliocentrism is poppycock. --- When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps. - Confucius <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted [p:910588460] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>What else do you expect from this administration? Had Copernicus been a democrat, they would tell you that heliocentrism is poppycock.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/15/18 7:29:38 PM #23:	Uh huh. Nothing is good enough. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:910588530] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Uh huh. Nothing is good enough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 10/15/18 7:30:34 PM #24:	Why does this ancestry stuff matter in any way? --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:910588576] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Why does this ancestry stuff matter in any way?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDill1999 10/15/18 7:31:33 PM #25:	This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this. <cite>TheRealDill1999 posted [p:910588614] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 10/15/18 7:32:11 PM #26:	Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted... What else do you expect from this administration? Had Copernicus been a democrat, they would tell you that heliocentrism is poppycock. I bet you the majority of flat earth believers are Trump supporters. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:910588646] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...</cite> <quote>What else do you expect from this administration? Had Copernicus been a democrat, they would tell you that heliocentrism is poppycock.</quote> I bet you the majority of flat earth believers are Trump supporters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 10/15/18 7:33:20 PM #27:	Lorenzo_2003 posted... TroutPaste posted... I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. Interesting You removed the rest of the paragraph which contained qualifiers for the sentence you isolated "The real question is not whether she has a Native American ancestor the question is what does this mean? Raff, with the University of Kansas, said about Warrens DNA test results. Its important to know that DNA ancestry and heritage are not the same thing as tribal affiliation or cultural identity, she said, adding: I also think its important that Senator Warren is not making the claim that she belongs to a tribe or identifies as a Native American; shes just talking about her familys history. I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. turning it into "I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American." It means something different when you do that --- Steam 4leaf440 / PSN TroutPaste89 / XBL FourLeaf440 <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:910588709] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote>I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. </quote> Interesting </quote> You removed the rest of the paragraph which contained qualifiers for the sentence you isolated "The real question is not whether she has a Native American ancestor the question is what does this mean? Raff, with the University of Kansas, said about Warrens DNA test results. Its important to know that DNA ancestry and heritage are not the same thing as tribal affiliation or cultural identity, she said, adding: I also think its important that Senator Warren is not making the claim that she belongs to a tribe or identifies as a Native American; shes just talking about her familys history. I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American. turning it into "I think shes talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not youre Native American." It means something different when you do that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 10/15/18 7:33:42 PM #28:	FrisbeeDude posted... Obama knew better. You dont give into these lunatics. Exposing them as welchers doesn't matter? Remember when Hannity agreed to get waterboarded? Is that why he released his birth certificate? <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:910588719] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>FrisbeeDude posted...</cite> <quote>Obama knew better. You dont give into these lunatics. Exposing them as welchers doesn't matter? Remember when Hannity agreed to get waterboarded?</quote> Is that why he released his birth certificate?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 10/15/18 7:33:43 PM #29:	Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted... What else do you expect from this administration? Had Copernicus been a democrat, they would tell you that heliocentrism is poppycock. well keep in mind a good chunk of trump supporters think the earth is flat... heliocentrism is just more fake news to them. --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:910588720] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...</cite> <quote>What else do you expect from this administration? Had Copernicus been a democrat, they would tell you that heliocentrism is poppycock.</quote> well keep in mind a good chunk of trump supporters think the earth is flat... heliocentrism is just more fake news to them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 10/15/18 7:36:20 PM #30:	Southernfatman posted... Why does this ancestry stuff matter in any way? It shouldn't but Trump and other republicans were pushing for Warren to prove her claims. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:910588862] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>Why does this ancestry stuff matter in any way?</quote> It shouldn't but Trump and other republicans were pushing for Warren to prove her claims.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 10/15/18 7:36:20 PM #31:	Kellyanne Conway's a naughty girl! --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:910588863] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Kellyanne Conway's a naughty girl! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MabusIncarnate 10/15/18 7:38:02 PM #32:	I would do dirty things to her. --- Ten million dollars on a losing campaign Twenty million starving and writhing in pain <cite>MabusIncarnate posted [p:910588960] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>I would do dirty things to her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 10/15/18 7:38:24 PM #33:	creativerealms posted... Southernfatman posted... Why does this ancestry stuff matter in any way? It shouldn't but Trump and other republicans were pushing for Warren to prove her claims. plus, he bet a million dollars to any charity she wanted. if you could get a free million by doing something so meaningless wouldn't you? --- People die when they are killed. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:910588983] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>Why does this ancestry stuff matter in any way?</quote> It shouldn't but Trump and other republicans were pushing for Warren to prove her claims.</quote> plus, he bet a million dollars to any charity she wanted. if you could get a free million by doing something so meaningless wouldn't you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 10/15/18 7:40:18 PM #34:	I love how Trump's response to it was "who cares"? You do, dumbass. You bring it up every time her name is mentioned. --- When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps. - Confucius <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted [p:910589099] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>I love how Trump's response to it was "who cares"? You do, dumbass. You bring it up every time her name is mentioned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/15/18 7:42:47 PM #35:	TheRealDill1999 posted... This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this. "It's convenient that someone would do something after someone else dared them to" --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910589224] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill1999 posted...</cite> <quote>This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this.</quote> "It's convenient that someone would do something after someone else dared them to"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 10/15/18 7:43:08 PM #36:	TroutPaste posted... It means something different when you do that Settle down. I read the article and quoted a section because that part had me wondering. I think he wants to be careful with his words because, well, he's a scientist and it sounded like he wanted to wash his hands of this situation. I wouldn't blame him, if that were true. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:910589237] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote> It means something different when you do that</quote> Settle down. I read the article and quoted a section because that part had me wondering. I think he wants to be careful with his words because, well, he's a scientist and it sounded like he wanted to wash his hands of this situation. I wouldn't blame him, if that were true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irregardless 10/15/18 7:44:22 PM #37:	Modern conservatives ignore facts, it's basically the platform Trump ran on <cite>Irregardless posted [p:910589306] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Modern conservatives ignore facts, it's basically the platform Trump ran on</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/15/18 7:45:36 PM #38:	Funbazooka posted... Kellyanne Conway's a naughty girl! She did that move for every young republican in the school --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910589370] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Kellyanne Conway's a naughty girl! </quote> She did that move for every young republican in the school</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/15/18 7:50:14 PM #39:	TroutPaste posted... Lorenzo_2003 posted... TroutPaste posted... ?I think she?s talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not you?re Native American.? Interesting ?? You removed the rest of the paragraph which contained qualifiers for the sentence you isolated "?The real question is not whether she has a Native American ancestor ? the question is what does this mean?? Raff, with the University of Kansas, said about Warren?s DNA test results. ?It?s important to know that DNA ancestry and heritage are not the same thing as tribal affiliation or cultural identity,? she said, adding: ?I also think it?s important that Senator Warren is not making the claim that she belongs to a tribe or identifies as a Native American; she?s just talking about her family?s history. I think she?s talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not you?re Native American.? turning it into "I think she?s talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not you?re Native American." It means something different when you do that Lorenzo is a usual suspect --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910589624] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TroutPaste posted...</cite> <quote>?I think she?s talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not you?re Native American.? </quote> Interesting ??</quote> You removed the rest of the paragraph which contained qualifiers for the sentence you isolated "?The real question is not whether she has a Native American ancestor ? the question is what does this mean?? Raff, with the University of Kansas, said about Warren?s DNA test results. ?It?s important to know that DNA ancestry and heritage are not the same thing as tribal affiliation or cultural identity,? she said, adding: ?I also think it?s important that Senator Warren is not making the claim that she belongs to a tribe or identifies as a Native American; she?s just talking about her family?s history. I think she?s talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not you?re Native American.? turning it into "I think she?s talking about this appropriately, but as a geneticist I want to stress this point: No DNA test can tell you whether or not you?re Native American." It means something different when you do that</quote> Lorenzo is a usual suspect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 10/15/18 7:54:40 PM #40:	Keep crying, cultists. --- Currently playing: Psychonauts, BioShock In limbo: Strider, Jet Force Gemini <cite>davyheinz posted [p:910589849] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>Keep crying, cultists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRealDill1999 10/15/18 8:04:15 PM #41:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... TheRealDill1999 posted... This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this. "It's convenient that someone would do something after someone else dared them to" I take it that you believe Fauxcahontas and her #fakenews. (Credit to Tucker Carlson for the name) <cite>TheRealDill1999 posted [p:910590325] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill1999 posted...</cite> <quote> This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this.</quote> "It's convenient that someone would do something after someone else dared them to"</quote> I take it that you believe Fauxcahontas and her #fakenews. (Credit to Tucker Carlson for the name)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 10/15/18 8:17:54 PM #42:	TheRealDill1999 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... TheRealDill1999 posted... This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this. "It's convenient that someone would do something after someone else dared them to" I take it that you believe Fauxcahontas and her #fakenews. (Credit to Tucker Carlson for the name) Credit for what? --- Steam 4leaf440 / PSN TroutPaste89 / XBL FourLeaf440 <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:910590991] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill1999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheRealDill1999 posted...</cite> <quote> This "DNA" test sounds like a load of crap. It's convenient that it comes up after Trump challenged her heritage. I seriously question the legitimacy of this.</quote> "It's convenient that someone would do something after someone else dared them to"</quote> I take it that you believe Fauxcahontas and her #fakenews. (Credit to Tucker Carlson for the name)</quote> Credit for what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The23rdMagus 10/16/18 2:13:31 AM #43:	All science is junk if it doesn't conform to your ideology. --- ~Drewnami: The Drew abides.~ Gonads are useful for their purpose, but they are no substitute for brains. -Paul Harvey <cite>The23rdMagus posted [p:910607399] in Kellyanne ... [t:77100814]...</cite> <quote>All science is junk if it doesn't conform to your ideology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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