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spudger 10/13/18 2:55:34 AM #51:	Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910445710] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:00:30 AM #52:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... It is impossible to kill God as long as there is existence. that is impossible for one very simple reason god wa mou shindeiru Dragonblade01 posted... TC didn't reply to me making me the victor I don?t talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. @spudger He isn?t a being. That?s the point. He is being itself. He is the core of the universe that allows everything to exist. Prove it If something exists, there must exist what it takes for that thing to exist. The universe?the collection of beings in space and time?exists. Therefore, there must exist what it takes for the universe to exist. What it takes for the universe to exist cannot exist within the universe or be bounded by space and time. Therefore, what it takes for the universe to exist must transcend both space and time. You can't prove that "what it takes for the universe to exist" is "god" or any particular deity or even what that something is. That is what Christian theology means be God. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910445822] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>It is impossible to kill God as long as there is existence.</quote> that is impossible for one very simple reason god wa mou shindeiru</quote> <cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>TC didn't reply to me making me the victor</quote> I don?t talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. @spudger He isn?t a being. That?s the point. He is being itself. He is the core of the universe that allows everything to exist.</quote> Prove it</quote> If something exists, there must exist what it takes for that thing to exist. The universe?the collection of beings in space and time?exists. Therefore, there must exist what it takes for the universe to exist. What it takes for the universe to exist cannot exist within the universe or be bounded by space and time. Therefore, what it takes for the universe to exist must transcend both space and time.</quote> You can't prove that "what it takes for the universe to exist" is "god" or any particular deity or even what that something is.</quote> That is what Christian theology means be God.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:01:27 AM #53:	spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910445839] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/13/18 3:02:24 AM #54:	Momentous posted... I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910445872] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.</quote> ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:04:42 AM #55:	Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910445925] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.</quote> ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor</quote> No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/13/18 3:05:49 AM #56:	Momentous posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website. my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910445958] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.</quote> ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor</quote> No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.</quote> my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:06:49 AM #57:	"We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910445975] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote>"We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/13/18 3:08:44 AM #58:	Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. That does not imply Christianity --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910446014] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> That does not imply Christianity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:11:49 AM #59:	Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910446077] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:12:32 AM #60:	Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website. my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind. ImTheMacheteGuy posted... "We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument. None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446093] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.</quote> ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor</quote> No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.</quote> my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can</quote> You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind. <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>"We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument.</quote> None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/13/18 3:13:24 AM #61:	Momentous posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website. my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind. ImTheMacheteGuy posted... "We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument. None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds. His existence, not his divinity --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910446113] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.</quote> ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor</quote> No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.</quote> my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can</quote> You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind. <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>"We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument.</quote> None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.</quote> His existence, not his divinity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:13:33 AM #62:	spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. That does not imply Christianity Christianity implies it. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446116] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> That does not imply Christianity</quote> Christianity implies it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:15:10 AM #63:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well. And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ouroboros idea is not contrary to contingency. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446144] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well.</quote> And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ouroboros idea is not contrary to contingency.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/13/18 3:16:02 AM #64:	If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910446161] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote>If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:16:47 AM #65:	spudger posted... Momentous posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Momentous posted... I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored. ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website. my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind. ImTheMacheteGuy posted... "We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument. None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds. His existence, not his divinity Unfortunately, we must wait until the rapture to see Jesus again. There is plenty of evidence of his divinity. His speeches after his resurrection, for example. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446178] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>I dont talk to weebs. Post it in English or be ignored.</quote> ah, the excuses of the weak mind you have already acknowledged me the victor</quote> No, Im fact I am acknowledging you as the failure. Japanese has no place on an AMERICAN website.</quote> my victory has already been sealed leave while you still can</quote> You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind. <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>"We'll just call this thing 'god' and make up a bunch of fake backstory without proving any of the backstory but since we can just reverse it and say 'but that's the definition of god' and therefore that has to make god reality as per the backstory we've made up." Not a valid argument.</quote> None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.</quote> His existence, not his divinity</quote> Unfortunately, we must wait until the rapture to see Jesus again. There is plenty of evidence of his divinity. His speeches after his resurrection, for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:17:15 AM #66:	Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. That does not imply Christianity Christianity implies it. Literal backwards logic. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910446192] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> That does not imply Christianity</quote> Christianity implies it.</quote> Literal backwards logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/13/18 3:17:39 AM #67:	Momentous posted... You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind. please, do not embarrass yourself further accept your obvious defeat and spare what little diginity remains <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910446203] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>You have nothing. A meme is of no substance to an educated mind.</quote> please, do not embarrass yourself further accept your obvious defeat and spare what little diginity remains</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/13/18 3:17:57 AM #68:	Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. That does not imply Christianity Christianity implies it. Something cant imply itself --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910446210] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> That does not imply Christianity</quote> Christianity implies it.</quote> Something cant imply itself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/13/18 3:19:05 AM #69:	Momentous posted... None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds. Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910446235] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.</quote> Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:20:11 AM #70:	hockeybub89 posted... If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering? Think about a dog and its human master. The dog comes up to its owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446257] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering?</quote> Think about a dog and its human master. The dog comes up to its owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:22:01 AM #71:	spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. That does not imply Christianity Christianity implies it. Something cant imply itself God said to Moses, I am who am. This is the genesis of the contingency argument <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446286] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? Thats literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesnt make it true Thats faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> That does not imply Christianity</quote> Christianity implies it.</quote> Something cant imply itself</quote> God said to Moses, I am who am. This is the genesis of the contingency argument</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:22:23 AM #72:	As for "look at Roman records..." Look at records of people falsely imprisoned. Records exist of their crimes, but if they were falsely convicted, the records are false and thus fake news. There is no proof that your records are accurate. Records of hauntings don't prove ghosts. Records of ufo sightings don't prove aliens. They only prove that people have been convinced of them and that doesn't speak to the accuracy of accounts of them. Same logic applies to jesus. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910446295] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote>As for "look at Roman records..." Look at records of people falsely imprisoned. Records exist of their crimes, but if they were falsely convicted, the records are false and thus fake news. There is no proof that your records are accurate. Records of hauntings don't prove ghosts. Records of ufo sightings don't prove aliens. They only prove that people have been convinced of them and that doesn't speak to the accuracy of accounts of them. Same logic applies to jesus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/13/18 3:24:27 AM #73:	Momentous posted... hockeybub89 posted... If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering? Think about a dog and its human master. The dog comes up to its owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet. The dog can still sense its master though. How convenient that all forms of life exist on the same plane of existence except God. It's almost like making him provable would disprove him. Funny how all religions toy with psychology like that to get people to marry an irrational idea to their otherwise rational world. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910446341] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering?</quote> Think about a dog and its human master. The dog comes up to its owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet.</quote> The dog can still sense its master though. How convenient that all forms of life exist on the same plane of existence except God. It's almost like making him provable would disprove him. Funny how all religions toy with psychology like that to get people to marry an irrational idea to their otherwise rational world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:25:12 AM #74:	hockeybub89 posted... Momentous posted... None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds. Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes. The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446357] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.</quote> Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes.</quote> The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:26:39 AM #75:	Momentous posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well. And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ?ouroboros? idea is not contrary to contingency. But you said it yourself... god is the "highest point" on the scope. Where does a circle begin and end? It doesn't. It's a circle. You will argue god is the circle itself but you can't provide any tangible evidence whatsoever that your definition of god fits your definition of the circle. "Cuz christianity says so" is not any form of evidence. It is simply speculation. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910446383] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well.</quote> And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ?ouroboros? idea is not contrary to contingency.</quote> But you said it yourself... god is the "highest point" on the scope. Where does a circle begin and end? It doesn't. It's a circle. You will argue god is the circle itself but you can't provide any tangible evidence whatsoever that your definition of god fits your definition of the circle. "Cuz christianity says so" is not any form of evidence. It is simply speculation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:28:36 AM #76:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... As for "look at Roman records..." Look at records of people falsely imprisoned. Records exist of their crimes, but if they were falsely convicted, the records are false and thus fake news. There is no proof that your records are accurate. Records of hauntings don't prove ghosts. Records of ufo sightings don't prove aliens. They only prove that people have been convinced of them and that doesn't speak to the accuracy of accounts of them. Same logic applies to jesus. There wasnt significant technological evidence in year 0 to show it 2000 years later. Jesus acted the way he did because he had to fulfill the prophecies of the ancient Jews to unite the 12 tribes under God. Jesus cleansed the temple with his own body and died to forgive sin. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446419] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>As for "look at Roman records..." Look at records of people falsely imprisoned. Records exist of their crimes, but if they were falsely convicted, the records are false and thus fake news. There is no proof that your records are accurate. Records of hauntings don't prove ghosts. Records of ufo sightings don't prove aliens. They only prove that people have been convinced of them and that doesn't speak to the accuracy of accounts of them. Same logic applies to jesus.</quote> There wasnt significant technological evidence in year 0 to show it 2000 years later. Jesus acted the way he did because he had to fulfill the prophecies of the ancient Jews to unite the 12 tribes under God. Jesus cleansed the temple with his own body and died to forgive sin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:31:52 AM #77:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Momentous posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... Momentous posted... spudger posted... No ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests. So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine. You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well. And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ?ouroboros? idea is not contrary to contingency. But you said it yourself... god is the "highest point" on the scope. Where does a circle begin and end? It doesn't. It's a circle. You will argue god is the circle itself but you can't provide any tangible evidence whatsoever that your definition of god fits your definition of the circle. "Cuz christianity says so" is not any form of evidence. It is simply speculation. God is not the highest point literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446483] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>No</quote> ...yes? That?s literally what is taught to priests.</quote> So? That doesn?t make it true That?s faith not fact</quote> It is fact. There exists a certain point where things can no longer get any larger, or conversely smaller, that point is divine.</quote> You don't know that though. If god is infinite than you can't define a finite scale and therefore you can't state that there is a smallest or largest point. You can't prove that there is no sense of cyclicality either. The scope of reality could bend back upon itself like a snake eating its own tale, which is a fairly mainstream topic and has existed in cultures as well.</quote> And? God is being. If being is circular, then God made it so. The ?ouroboros? idea is not contrary to contingency.</quote> But you said it yourself... god is the "highest point" on the scope. Where does a circle begin and end? It doesn't. It's a circle. You will argue god is the circle itself but you can't provide any tangible evidence whatsoever that your definition of god fits your definition of the circle. "Cuz christianity says so" is not any form of evidence. It is simply speculation.</quote> God is not the highest point literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 3:32:48 AM #78:	Also everyone, we will be taking recess as I am going to bed. Feel free to post some more arguments and I will answer them when I wake up. ~~you know, if Im not suspended by then~~ <cite>Momentous posted [p:910446503] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote>Also everyone, we will be taking recess as I am going to bed. Feel free to post some more arguments and I will answer them when I wake up. you know, if Im not suspended by then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:33:51 AM #79:	Momentous posted... hockeybub89 posted... If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering? Think about a dog and it?s human master. The dog comes up to it?s owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet. I can do you one better. We are all made up of cells, bacteria, microbes etc. All of which are individual living entities. Yet so are we. Individual living entities made up of countless smaller ones. A cell can't understand human emotions. A microbe can't comprehend the concept of an idea. Bacteria don't know what humans are. Extrapolate that outward where we are comparable to the cells, microbes and bacteria. We don't have the comprehension to understand god, in that same way. We just can't do it. It is beyond us. We can't define god. Sooo... why have you spent this topic claiming to comprehend god and trying to define him? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910446528] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering?</quote> Think about a dog and it?s human master. The dog comes up to it?s owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet.</quote> I can do you one better. We are all made up of cells, bacteria, microbes etc. All of which are individual living entities. Yet so are we. Individual living entities made up of countless smaller ones. A cell can't understand human emotions. A microbe can't comprehend the concept of an idea. Bacteria don't know what humans are. Extrapolate that outward where we are comparable to the cells, microbes and bacteria. We don't have the comprehension to understand god, in that same way. We just can't do it. It is beyond us. We can't define god. Sooo... why have you spent this topic claiming to comprehend god and trying to define him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/13/18 3:34:49 AM #80:	no need i have won, making me the winner and through my victory do you know defeat <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910446552] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote>no need i have won, making me the winner and through my victory do you know defeat</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:35:09 AM #81:	Momentous posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... As for "look at Roman records..." Look at records of people falsely imprisoned. Records exist of their crimes, but if they were falsely convicted, the records are false and thus fake news. There is no proof that your records are accurate. Records of hauntings don't prove ghosts. Records of ufo sightings don't prove aliens. They only prove that people have been convinced of them and that doesn't speak to the accuracy of accounts of them. Same logic applies to jesus. There wasn?t significant technological evidence in year 0 to show it 2000 years later. Jesus acted the way he did because he had to fulfill the prophecies of the ancient Jews to unite the 12 tribes under God. Jesus cleansed the temple with his own body and died to forgive sin. Proof? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910446571] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>As for "look at Roman records..." Look at records of people falsely imprisoned. Records exist of their crimes, but if they were falsely convicted, the records are false and thus fake news. There is no proof that your records are accurate. Records of hauntings don't prove ghosts. Records of ufo sightings don't prove aliens. They only prove that people have been convinced of them and that doesn't speak to the accuracy of accounts of them. Same logic applies to jesus.</quote> There wasn?t significant technological evidence in year 0 to show it 2000 years later. Jesus acted the way he did because he had to fulfill the prophecies of the ancient Jews to unite the 12 tribes under God. Jesus cleansed the temple with his own body and died to forgive sin.</quote> Proof?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/13/18 3:36:44 AM #82:	Momentous posted... hockeybub89 posted... Momentous posted... None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds. Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes. The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man. Why is it impossible? Religion works on people because we are really bad at admitting when we don't know an answer. The whole "God of the Gaps" fallacy. People have the same problem when they try to treat science like a religion. No one realizes that "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer until you know otherwise. We don't need to assert a theory as fact or claim that we know for sure that an unknowable being did it. What proof is there that makes Jesus anymore divine than anyone else? That makes Christianity any more true than any other religion that we have record of? You're right that we had no way to record hard evidence, so all we have is word. What makes Christianity's word better than the word of other religions? Don't tell me that the Bible claims to be true. I can't think of many religions that said their gods were fake. Tell me what proves it more true than the thousand other religions that have copied each other since the beginning of man. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910446605] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.</quote> Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes.</quote> The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man.</quote> Why is it impossible? Religion works on people because we are really bad at admitting when we don't know an answer. The whole "God of the Gaps" fallacy. People have the same problem when they try to treat science like a religion. No one realizes that "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer until you know otherwise. We don't need to assert a theory as fact or claim that we know for sure that an unknowable being did it. What proof is there that makes Jesus anymore divine than anyone else? That makes Christianity any more true than any other religion that we have record of? You're right that we had no way to record hard evidence, so all we have is word. What makes Christianity's word better than the word of other religions? Don't tell me that the Bible claims to be true. I can't think of many religions that said their gods were fake. Tell me what proves it more true than the thousand other religions that have copied each other since the beginning of man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/13/18 3:41:58 AM #83:	Momentous posted... . ..yes? That?s literally what is God is not the ?highest point? literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point. That's not logical. That would be saying that god exists separately from being, which means god exists separately from god. The circle is a line bent onto itself. The center is void. It doesn't represent anything. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910446708] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> .<quote>..yes? That?s literally what is God is not the ?highest point? literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point.</quote> That's not logical. That would be saying that god exists separately from being, which means god exists separately from god. The circle is a line bent onto itself. The center is void. It doesn't represent anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 12:07:31 PM #84:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Momentous posted... hockeybub89 posted... If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering? Think about a dog and it?s human master. The dog comes up to it?s owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet. I can do you one better. We are all made up of cells, bacteria, microbes etc. All of which are individual living entities. Yet so are we. Individual living entities made up of countless smaller ones. A cell can't understand human emotions. A microbe can't comprehend the concept of an idea. Bacteria don't know what humans are. Extrapolate that outward where we are comparable to the cells, microbes and bacteria. We don't have the comprehension to understand god, in that same way. We just can't do it. It is beyond us. We can't define god. Sooo... why have you spent this topic claiming to comprehend god and trying to define him? We are able to glimpse part of God, its only the full thing that is incomprehensible. Similar to how a dog can be taught a few tricks, but not anything significant. ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Momentous posted... . ..yes? That?s literally what is God is not the ?highest point? literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point. That's not logical. That would be saying that god exists separately from being, which means god exists separately from god. The circle is a line bent onto itself. The center is void. It doesn't represent anything. You seem to be misunderstanding contingency. God doesnt exist as a being. God is existence/a being. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910458024] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If God is so real and loving, then how come he is impossible to prove with science and logic and allows incomprehensible amounts of suffering?</quote> Think about a dog and it?s human master. The dog comes up to it?s owner after a long day, who is sitting in his study reading a book. The dog sees the words on the page, but can not comprehend them. This is possibly our relationship to God. The answer to everything could be in front of our eyes, but we do not know how to make sense of it yet.</quote> I can do you one better. We are all made up of cells, bacteria, microbes etc. All of which are individual living entities. Yet so are we. Individual living entities made up of countless smaller ones. A cell can't understand human emotions. A microbe can't comprehend the concept of an idea. Bacteria don't know what humans are. Extrapolate that outward where we are comparable to the cells, microbes and bacteria. We don't have the comprehension to understand god, in that same way. We just can't do it. It is beyond us. We can't define god. Sooo... why have you spent this topic claiming to comprehend god and trying to define him?</quote> We are able to glimpse part of God, its only the full thing that is incomprehensible. Similar to how a dog can be taught a few tricks, but not anything significant. <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> .<quote>..yes? That?s literally what is God is not the ?highest point? literally. He is the point which is incontingent. He is the source of the river, the peak of the mountain. If the universe was relative and existed in a cyclical manner, then God would be the central point.</quote> That's not logical. That would be saying that god exists separately from being, which means god exists separately from god. The circle is a line bent onto itself. The center is void. It doesn't represent anything.</quote> You seem to be misunderstanding contingency. God doesnt exist as a being. God is existence/a being.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Momentous 10/13/18 12:16:01 PM #85:	hockeybub89 posted... Momentous posted... hockeybub89 posted... Momentous posted... None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds. Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes. The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man. Why is it impossible? Religion works on people because we are really bad at admitting when we don't know an answer. The whole "God of the Gaps" fallacy. People have the same problem when they try to treat science like a religion. No one realizes that "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer until you know otherwise. We don't need to assert a theory as fact or claim that we know for sure that an unknowable being did it. What proof is there that makes Jesus anymore divine than anyone else? That makes Christianity any more true than any other religion that we have record of? You're right that we had no way to record hard evidence, so all we have is word. What makes Christianity's word better than the word of other religions? Don't tell me that the Bible claims to be true. I can't think of many religions that said their gods were fake. Tell me what proves it more true than the thousand other religions that have copied each other since the beginning of man. Because at some point there must be a source that exists on its own power. Contingent things are temporary, even a mountain is created and destroyed in the blink of an eye when compared to the earths lifespan. Once again, Jesuss divinity has only been written down due to technological limitations at the time. Unless you are 2000 and living in Ancient Rome, you dont have primary proof of his actions. The truth of Christianity, in the way you are arguing, would only be evident to those who witnessed Jesus. In the modern era, there is nothing that makes it more distinguished than Judaism, for example. However, this is the faith part of religion. Not that God exists, because that is a given, but that our own personal glimpse of him will lead us on the right path. <cite>Momentous posted [p:910458353] in Followers ... [t:77093088]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Momentous posted...</cite> <quote>None of the backstory is fake. Look at Roman records. Jesus was real, and there are documented evidenced of his deeds.</quote> Christianity isn't the first religion to have claim its gods did real things. The Egyptian gods were supposedly officers of the court. A man really being named Jesus at that time means nothing. Real people can be turned into fictional folk heroes.</quote> The universe is impossible without a God. He is that which can create. While any can claim to make matter, only one has. The technology of 2000 years ago does not lend itself to recording evidence, but there is significant proof that Jesus did live as God and man.</quote> Why is it impossible? Religion works on people because we are really bad at admitting when we don't know an answer. The whole "God of the Gaps" fallacy. People have the same problem when they try to treat science like a religion. No one realizes that "I don't know" is a perfectly valid answer until you know otherwise. We don't need to assert a theory as fact or claim that we know for sure that an unknowable being did it. What proof is there that makes Jesus anymore divine than anyone else? That makes Christianity any more true than any other religion that we have record of? You're right that we had no way to record hard evidence, so all we have is word. What makes Christianity's word better than the word of other religions? Don't tell me that the Bible claims to be true. I can't think of many religions that said their gods were fake. Tell me what proves it more true than the thousand other religions that have copied each other since the beginning of man.</quote> Because at some point there must be a source that exists on its own power. Contingent things are temporary, even a mountain is created and destroyed in the blink of an eye when compared to the earths lifespan. Once again, Jesuss divinity has only been written down due to technological limitations at the time. Unless you are 2000 and living in Ancient Rome, you dont have primary proof of his actions. The truth of Christianity, in the way you are arguing, would only be evident to those who witnessed Jesus. In the modern era, there is nothing that makes it more distinguished than Judaism, for example. However, this is the faith part of religion. Not that God exists, because that is a given, but that our own personal glimpse of him will lead us on the right path.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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