Current Events > Why should I vote democrat when the democrats constantly mock my problems?

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Good question! I'm curious what answers you will receive
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TCs problem is he cant say the N word whenever he wants

If (and that's "if", not "because") they're not as bad as Republicans when the next election rolls around.
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DarkTransient posted...

If (and that's "if", not "because") they're not as bad as Republicans when the next election rolls around.

Elected Democrats are not nearly as bad as elected Republicans.
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ColZach posted...

TCs problem is he cant say the N word whenever he wants

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as a form of reparations?
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DarkTransient posted...

If (and that's "if", not "because") they're not as bad as Republicans when the next election rolls around.

Currently in my state, the Republican up for senate seems like a jerkoff and the Democrat does absolutely nothing.

There's a Libertarian but I'm not too keen on throwing away my vote, but I'm honestly leaning towards voting for her (which will probably ensure the Republican gets it, she's stealing votes from the Democrat)

ColZach posted...

TCs problem is he cant say the N word whenever he wants

more mocking, that's going to get your group far.
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50Blessings posted...

Currently in my state, the Republican up for senate seems like a jerkoff and the Democrat does absolutely nothing.

There's a Libertarian but I'm not too keen on throwing away my vote, but I'm honestly looking towards voting for her (which will probably ensure the Republican gets it, she's stealing votes from the Democrat)

In your case, I'd vote the Democrat. If neither are good, vote for whoever's more likely to be too lazy to do any real damage.
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Their disregard for your problems doesn't mean they're wrong about climate change and a host of other issues that are simply more important.

edit: Care to actually tell us the problems they mock or are you going to remain vague for argumentative reasons?
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DarkTransient posted...

50Blessings posted...

Currently in my state, the Republican up for senate seems like a jerkoff and the Democrat does absolutely nothing.

There's a Libertarian but I'm not too keen on throwing away my vote, but I'm honestly looking towards voting for her (which will probably ensure the Republican gets it, she's stealing votes from the Democrat)

In your case, I'd vote the Democrat. If neither are good, vote for whoever's more likely to be too lazy to do any real damage.

In this case him voting along party lines would do me more damage, though. (although up until the Kavanaugh thing, he was inconsistent on that)
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DarkTransient posted...

If (and that's "if", not "because") they're not as bad as Republicans when the next election rolls around.

I dunno about that. I think both sides need power. The GoP for the economy and the Democrats for social issues. That's kinda why the pendulum works well for us
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Just don't vote Democratic, simple as that.
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50Blessings posted...

Serious answers only

What are your problems? Hard to answer as thats a vague beginning.
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50Blessings posted...

DarkTransient posted...

50Blessings posted...

Currently in my state, the Republican up for senate seems like a jerkoff and the Democrat does absolutely nothing.

There's a Libertarian but I'm not too keen on throwing away my vote, but I'm honestly looking towards voting for her (which will probably ensure the Republican gets it, she's stealing votes from the Democrat)

In your case, I'd vote the Democrat. If neither are good, vote for whoever's more likely to be too lazy to do any real damage.

In this case him voting along party lines would do me more damage, though. (although up until the Kavanaugh thing, he was inconsistent on that)

The Kavanaugh thing was very recent. You can't really say he's "not inconsistent anymore" just because he voted along party lines on one matter...

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DarkTransient posted...

If (and that's "if", not "because") they're not as bad as Republicans when the next election rolls around.

I dunno about that. I think both sides need power. The GoP for the economy and the Democrats for social issues. That's kinda why the pendulum works well for us

Agree, but it tends to change from time to time which one is worse than the other. That means the swing still happens even if everyone were to vote like I suggested.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

edit: Care to actually tell us the problems they mock or are you going to remain vague for argumentative reasons?

I mean, I can already tell you're going to boil them down to be "lol white male" problems so...
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CrimsonRage posted...

50Blessings posted...

more mocking, that's going to get your group far.

republicans mock people too, but for some reason they're not turning you away.

Probably because they don't mock me?

I mean...that was the point of the OP.
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@50Blessings

Please clarify what problems you mean, Id love to have a discussion mockery free
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What are your problems and how are they mocked?
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PreacherBeelze posted...

What are your problems? Hard to answer as thats a vague beginning.

If you can't answer the question without resorting to mocking my issues, you really don't need to answer at all tbqh.
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The Democrats have gone off the deep end on fringe social issues while ignoring stuff that matters the most like the economy.
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50Blessings posted...

PreacherBeelze posted...

What are your problems? Hard to answer as thats a vague beginning.

If you can't answer the question without resorting to mocking my issues, you really don't need to answer at all tbqh.

Doesn't really sound like he's mocking you here... (at least, not for anything other than vagueness)
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There are just too many ways to respond to that incredibly weak position so instead I'm just going to say cowboy the fuck up and until then, fuck your vote.
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DarkTransient posted...

Doesn't really sound like he's mocking you here...

No, but everyone is automatically fishing for things to shit on instead of giving actual reasons why I should vote democrat.
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What are your problems? You cant just assume that they will be mocked.
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50Blessings posted...

PreacherBeelze posted...

What are your problems? Hard to answer as thats a vague beginning.

If you can't answer the question without resorting to mocking my issues, you really don't need to answer at all tbqh.

That wasnt mockery, tone is difficult to nail down online like this, but I didnt mean to have a tone that sounded like mockery. It was a genuine question, and im legitimately curious as to what problems you mean, as I literally have no idea where exactly youre coming from.
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Well maybe if you stopped beating around the bush and actually telling us what your problems are, maybe people will stop thinking this is a joke topic.
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50Blessings posted...

If you can't answer the question

I answered, they might not be great on your pet issues but your pet issues take a backseat to more important ones. And if you refuse to stand by your pet issues, there's no point in this conversion. I'm out.
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50Blessings posted...

DarkTransient posted...

Doesn't really sound like he's mocking you here...

No, but everyone is automatically fishing for things to shit on instead of giving actual reasons why I should vote democrat.

Democrats are better for the economy, education, environment, healthcare, and social equality. How are those things not your problem?
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50Blessings posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

edit: Care to actually tell us the problems they mock or are you going to remain vague for argumentative reasons?

I mean, I can already tell you're going to boil them down to be "lol white male" problems so...

As a straight white male, I would like to know what your problems are. I may share some of them so it would be good know.
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PreacherBeelze posted...

That wasnt mockery, tone is difficult to nail down online like this, but I didnt mean to have a tone that sounded like mockery. It was a genuine question, and im legitimately curious as to what problems you mean, as I literally have no idea where exactly youre coming from.

Basically any time I express an opinion on anything that the left doesn't like, it immediately becomes "lol fuck you gun nut" or "oh man, poor white boy, your life must suck soooo much" or something stupid like that.

That's the whole point of this. Nobody actually cares about my problems or me, why would I care to vote and help you out if it is against my interests?
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Because Republicans are committed to weakening environmental regulations at a time when climate change threatens to cause widespread suffering.

Because the Trump administration is laughably corrupt and Republicans have no interest in acknowledging this fact, much less holding them accountable for it.

Because Republicans want your boss to get richer at your expense.

Democrats aren't perfect on any of these issues, and I'm not sure what candidates we're specifically talking about here, but in general they aren't actively trying to roll back protections for the planet and workers.
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50Blessings posted...

PreacherBeelze posted...

That wasnt mockery, tone is difficult to nail down online like this, but I didnt mean to have a tone that sounded like mockery. It was a genuine question, and im legitimately curious as to what problems you mean, as I literally have no idea where exactly youre coming from.

Basically any time I express an opinion on anything that the left doesn't like, it immediately becomes "lol fuck you gun nut" or "oh man, poor white boy, your life must suck soooo much" or something stupid like that.

That's the whole point of this. Nobody actually cares about my problems or me, why would I care to vote and help you out if it is against my interests?

But the right often do the same with the issues those on the left do care about, even legitimate ones. You can't really pretend that - on AVERAGE (ie: not saying you specifically do this) - it very much goes both ways. Of course when it's some bullcrap like "the government won't recognize the gender I invented the other day" that's fair enough, but the right can get very dismissive about eg. drug reform.
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I can't really speak to "issues", but there are plenty of times where I wonder why the hell I should care about a lot of people who bitch on here when any time I express an opinion they don't like (no matter how civil) someone calls me a racist/idiot/sexist for having that view.

The reason I say it doesn't really speak to issues in my case is because I don't really care about anything besides the economy and my own rights. I'm always willing to vote for other people to get the rights they deserve, sure. But it becomes harder and harder when those same people make me out to be a villain because I happen to like guns as a hobby, I think antifa are disgusting or expect evidence with an accusation before I take a side.
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i try not to mock legitimate problems of anyone and am sympathetic to the plight of anyone regardless of race/sex/orientation. also i own guns and support the right to do so while also being a democrat
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50Blessings posted...

PreacherBeelze posted...

That wasnt mockery, tone is difficult to nail down online like this, but I didnt mean to have a tone that sounded like mockery. It was a genuine question, and im legitimately curious as to what problems you mean, as I literally have no idea where exactly youre coming from.

Basically any time I express an opinion on anything that the left doesn't like, it immediately becomes "lol fuck you gun nut" or "oh man, poor white boy, your life must suck soooo much" or something stupid like that.

That's the whole point of this. Nobody actually cares about my problems or me, why would I care to vote and help you out if it is against my interests?

Youd be surprised.

I do think in todays day and age its important to separate online life from reality, as lots of people act in ways that they wouldnt IRL when online, some are purely fake and cant actually be trusted.

I dont think my interactions with much of the right is a good representative of them in reality, as Ive had all sorts of insults pushed my way for similar issues just reversed.

Believe it or not, on a human level, I think youd be surprised how many people actually DO care.

Personally? I view online the same way I view traffic. There is an inherent dehumanizing that goes on online, where you are several steps removed, be it through a moniker, like mine preacher beelze or on twitter and facebook, where Im reduced to a photograph, more than a human.

Guns in particular is an emotional topic and I think its far more complex an issue than anyone gives it credit for, and youve got two hyperboles screaming at eachother a lot of the time... no shortage of that on the left... or the right... and their hyperboles fuel eachother.

Anyhow, their are lots of gun owners on the left who value the 2nd amendment. Its more common than you might think, while they may have (might not too) more leftist leanings on what to do, on that particular issue the hyper partisans scream loudest and misrepresent the whole.

As a leftist, Id not mock you for stating what you believe, I might disagree... but not mock, lest its particularly dumb, like youre believing that the earth is a 2dimensional plate on the back of a turtle, ill mock that, but if also fight for your right to believe it.
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