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butthole666
10/05/18 4:23:21 PM
#1:


Its over

The president and his party are immune to prosecution and have complete immunity and authority to do as they please, with no regard for the people they are meant to serve.
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UnholyMudcrab
10/05/18 4:27:46 PM
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Nomadic View
10/05/18 4:28:16 PM
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The sky is falling chapter 36472927638282684.
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frozenshock
10/05/18 4:28:19 PM
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butthole666 posted...
Its over

The president and his party are immune to prosecution and have complete immunity and authority to do as they please, with no regard for the people they are meant to serve.


Don't worry. It's happened many times in human history. Things always return to normal after half a century or so. It's gonna be ok.
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butthole666
10/05/18 4:29:12 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
The sky is falling chapter 36472927638282684.

It is an ongoing saga of treachery, not an isolated incident.
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Dash_Harber
10/05/18 4:29:53 PM
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Bat178 posted...

That would actually be even worse. The president being killed would just galvanize his followers into an even more radical stance. He needs to be legally ousted if you want any sort of actual change.
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butthole666
10/05/18 4:30:10 PM
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frozenshock posted...
butthole666 posted...
Its over

The president and his party are immune to prosecution and have complete immunity and authority to do as they please, with no regard for the people they are meant to serve.


Don't worry. It's happened many times in human history. Things always return to normal after half a century or so. It's gonna be ok.

Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.
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s0nicfan
10/05/18 4:32:15 PM
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EVEN IF Kavanaugh actually believes that the president is immune to criminal prosecution or civil suits
and EVEN IF enough justices on the bench believe that as well so that argument holds up in court
he can still be impeached.

This meme that a Kavanaugh nomination somehow means term limits are gone, or that the president can't be held accountable, is silly.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2018/07/11/brett-kavanaugh-president-indicted-709641
Kavanaugh's stanceor his stance at that time is not an unusual or outlandish one. In fact, it's the official position of the Justice Department, formally articulated in a 1973 opinion under President Richard Nixon and reaffirmed in 2000 under President Bill Clinton. But it could be that there's less nuance to Kavanaugh's view than his supporters are suggesting.

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frozenshock
10/05/18 4:33:49 PM
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butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.


Civilization was almost wiped out in europe after the fall of the roman empire. It was hell for some time, but then things returned to normal. This is no different. We're gonna be ok.
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metralo
10/05/18 4:33:57 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
EVEN IF Kavanaugh actually believes that the president is immune to criminal prosecution or civil suits
and EVEN IF enough justices on the bench believe that as well so that argument holds up in court
he can still be impeached.

This meme that a Kavanaugh nomination somehow means term limits are gone, or that the president can't be held accountable, is silly.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2018/07/11/brett-kavanaugh-president-indicted-709641
Kavanaugh's stanceor his stance at that time is not an unusual or outlandish one. In fact, it's the official position of the Justice Department, formally articulated in a 1973 opinion under President Richard Nixon and reaffirmed in 2000 under President Bill Clinton. But it could be that there's less nuance to Kavanaugh's view than his supporters are suggesting.


aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020
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WilliamPorygon
10/05/18 4:34:05 PM
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6G64SKL
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metralo
10/05/18 4:34:34 PM
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frozenshock posted...
butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.


Civilization was almost wiped out in europe after the fall of the roman empire. It was hell for some time, but then things returned to normal. This is no different. We're gonna be ok.


humans will be okay. Us living in the now wont.
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Nomadic View
10/05/18 4:34:46 PM
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butthole666 posted...
Nomadic View posted...
The sky is falling chapter 36472927638282684.

It is an ongoing saga of treachery, not an isolated incident.


I know I know. Just like how the stock market crashed when he was elected. Women lost the right to vote. Black people were re-enslaved. Journalists were jailed. And North Korea nuked us.
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s0nicfan
10/05/18 4:35:02 PM
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metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.
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Duncanwii
10/05/18 4:36:06 PM
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butthole666 posted...
frozenshock posted...
butthole666 posted...
Its over

The president and his party are immune to prosecution and have complete immunity and authority to do as they please, with no regard for the people they are meant to serve.


Don't worry. It's happened many times in human history. Things always return to normal after half a century or so. It's gonna be ok.

Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.

Also, Trump doesn't care about what a nuclear strike would to do the world. What will happen when ne no longer needs to care about popular opinion and does what he really wanted to do to North Korea and Iran. Complete and utter destruction.
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Irregardless
10/05/18 4:36:18 PM
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But at least they stuck it to the libs!
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butthole666
10/05/18 4:37:54 PM
#18:


frozenshock posted...
butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.


Civilization was almost wiped out in europe after the fall of the roman empire. It was hell for some time, but then things returned to normal. This is no different. We're gonna be ok.

If food sources and human beings cannot survive on earth then we will not lol
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Dash_Harber
10/05/18 4:40:15 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.
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NeverOffended
10/05/18 4:42:00 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
The America you knew has collapsed, man


LOL
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s0nicfan
10/05/18 4:42:02 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.


If you legitimately believe all this, you should probably be in therapy, because you're expressing a level of delusion that usually requires heavy medication.
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Dash_Harber
10/05/18 4:44:01 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.


If you legitimately believe all this, you should probably be in therapy, because you're expressing a level of delusion that usually requires heavy medication.


Of course your only response is to try and use a logical fallacy to attack me instead of actually refuting anything I said. Let's be frank; neither of us is delusional. You are just the only one willing to use logical fallacy to keep the argument going.
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Duncanwii
10/05/18 4:45:07 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.


If you legitimately believe all this, you should probably be in therapy, because you're expressing a level of delusion that usually requires heavy medication.

Hes right though. Anyone who still cares about human rights and democracy should just move to Canada.
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Space_Man
10/05/18 4:46:05 PM
#24:


butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.

How do you know we're at a pivotal point in history

Like that usually isn't decided until after the fact...

For all we know nothing will change and blowing it out of proportion is setting up for failure cus there's really nothing at stake in the grand scheme of things.
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YourDrunkFather
10/05/18 4:47:05 PM
#25:


Space_Man posted...
butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.

How do you know we're at a pivotal point in history

Like that usually isn't decided until after the fact...

For all we know nothing will change and blowing it out of proportion is setting up for failure cus there's really nothing at stake in the grand scheme of things.


He's just being overly dramatic like usual
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Duncanwii
10/05/18 4:48:02 PM
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Space_Man posted...
butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.

How do you know we're at a pivotal point in history

Like that usually isn't decided until after the fact...

For all we know nothing will change and blowing it out of proportion is setting up for failure cus there's really nothing at stake in the grand scheme of things.

If nothing is done soon the planet will be uninhabitable by humans in the next 100-200 years. I believe that is pretty high long term stakes dont you?
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s0nicfan
10/05/18 4:48:15 PM
#27:


Duncanwii posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.


If you legitimately believe all this, you should probably be in therapy, because you're expressing a level of delusion that usually requires heavy medication.

Hes right though. Anyone who still cares about human rights and democracy should just move to Canada.


Canada's got harsher immigration laws than the US, though, that relies on a points system to make sure only successful, qualified individuals are allowed in, so the irony here is that most people who would want to do that would hit the same wall they're fighting here.
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Dash_Harber
10/05/18 4:48:57 PM
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Space_Man posted...
butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.

How do you know we're at a pivotal point in history

Like that usually isn't decided until after the fact...

For all we know nothing will change and blowing it out of proportion is setting up for failure cus there's really nothing at stake in the grand scheme of things.


Also, in four years of university history courses, I quickly realized that 'pivotal point' is almost always over dramatic nonsense. Nearly all of the situations I can think of where it was used were slow burns that were the inevitable end result of hundreds and hundreds of events building over time.
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Dash_Harber
10/05/18 4:50:53 PM
#29:


s0nicfan posted...
Duncanwii posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.


If you legitimately believe all this, you should probably be in therapy, because you're expressing a level of delusion that usually requires heavy medication.

Hes right though. Anyone who still cares about human rights and democracy should just move to Canada.


Canada's got harsher immigration laws than the US, though, that relies on a points system to make sure only successful, qualified individuals are allowed in, so the irony here is that most people who would want to do that would hit the same wall they're fighting here.


You realize I never even once mentioned immigration, right? You still can't actually respond to any of the points I made and all you seem to rely on is kneejerk subject changes and attacking anyone who disagrees with you personally because your 'arguments' have no legs to stand on. I see no point in continuing a discussion with you.
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s0nicfan
10/05/18 4:51:51 PM
#30:


Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Duncanwii posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.


If you legitimately believe all this, you should probably be in therapy, because you're expressing a level of delusion that usually requires heavy medication.

Hes right though. Anyone who still cares about human rights and democracy should just move to Canada.


Canada's got harsher immigration laws than the US, though, that relies on a points system to make sure only successful, qualified individuals are allowed in, so the irony here is that most people who would want to do that would hit the same wall they're fighting here.


You realize I never even once mentioned immigration, right? You still can't actually respond to any of the points I made and all you seem to rely on is kneejerk subject changes and attacking anyone who disagrees with you personally because your 'arguments' have no legs to stand on. I see no point in continuing a discussion with you.


How does one "move to Canada" without immigrating there? Unless you're literally talking about sneaking over the border.
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P4wn4g3
10/05/18 4:52:34 PM
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Dash_Harber posted...
Bat178 posted...

That would actually be even worse. The president being killed would just galvanize his followers into an even more radical stance. He needs to be legally ousted if you want any sort of actual change.

Too late.

Congress maybe.
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BJ-blazkowics
10/05/18 4:52:38 PM
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I am sure that Bat178 is in some watchlist after that. He should be, IMO
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Dash_Harber
10/05/18 4:53:40 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
How does one "move to Canada" without immigrating there? Unless you're literally talking about sneaking over the border.


I know I'm a bit hypocritical in continuing this, but as a final note, I never said anything about moving to Canada. You might want to check the users you are actually talking to, there. I actually am Canadian, for the record.
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eggcorn
10/05/18 4:53:46 PM
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Nomadic View posted...
The sky is falling chapter 36472927638282684.

that should be tcs username tbh
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_Goggalor_
10/05/18 4:54:35 PM
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Long live God Emperor Trump.
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_BIueMonk
10/05/18 4:55:29 PM
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fuck this shit im moving to south korea

*sees pic of south korean president hugging kim jong un*

ahh shit.
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s0nicfan
10/05/18 4:55:31 PM
#37:


Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
How does one "move to Canada" without immigrating there? Unless you're literally talking about sneaking over the border.


I know I'm a bit hypocritical in continuing this, but as a final note, I never said anything about moving to Canada. You might want to check the users you are actually talking to, there. I actually am Canadian, for the record.


Says the guy who clearly wasn't reading the comment chain, since I was replying to someone directly talking about moving to Canada, and you jumped down my throat about "I never said anything about immigration" as if my reply was directed at you in the first place.
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Dark_SilverX
10/05/18 4:59:14 PM
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this is just the stepping stone to make this country great again
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Space_Man
10/05/18 5:47:47 PM
#39:


Duncanwii posted...
Space_Man posted...
butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.

How do you know we're at a pivotal point in history

Like that usually isn't decided until after the fact...

For all we know nothing will change and blowing it out of proportion is setting up for failure cus there's really nothing at stake in the grand scheme of things.

If nothing is done soon the planet will be uninhabitable by humans in the next 100-200 years. I believe that is pretty high long term stakes dont you?

So? Technology evolves faster than we can project so who knows what solutions will come about within that time, and what makes humans so important that we're worth it anyway? It's pretty selfish imo.

I'm sure our planet has seen worse than a little bit of gas emissions and some orange man in a white house.
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Mist_Turnips
10/05/18 5:49:06 PM
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This is a funny day on CE.
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TomNook20
10/05/18 5:51:29 PM
#41:


So whatever happened to us starting ww3 with nk? Did that happen and I just missed it or what?
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Tyranthraxus
10/05/18 5:52:12 PM
#42:


Space_Man posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Space_Man posted...
butthole666 posted...
Except we are at a pivotal point in history where we need strong a decisive legislation on several issue to avoid near absolute destruction of civilization as we know it.

How do you know we're at a pivotal point in history

Like that usually isn't decided until after the fact...

For all we know nothing will change and blowing it out of proportion is setting up for failure cus there's really nothing at stake in the grand scheme of things.

If nothing is done soon the planet will be uninhabitable by humans in the next 100-200 years. I believe that is pretty high long term stakes dont you?

So? Technology evolves faster than we can project so who knows what solutions will come about within that time, and what makes humans so important that we're worth it anyway? It's pretty selfish imo.

I'm sure our planet has seen worse than a little bit of gas emissions and some orange man in a white house.


I mean sure, assuming you're okay with literally every living thing being killed then yeah "The planet has seen worse"

George Carlin had a routine about it, even.

"The planet will be fine. The people are fucked, but the planet will be fine."
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Space_Man
10/05/18 6:03:37 PM
#43:


Tyranthraxus posted...
literally every living thing being killed

Doubt that

And like I said - still doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Sucks but that's the way she goes.

Maybe fish will rule next?
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TheTrueAmerican
10/05/18 6:05:08 PM
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KingCrabCake
10/05/18 6:07:42 PM
#45:


It's funny you think America is a democracy
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butthole666
10/05/18 6:21:58 PM
#46:


Space_Man posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
literally every living thing being killed

Doubt that

And like I said - still doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Sucks but that's the way she goes.

Maybe fish will rule next?

we live in a society lookin ass
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metralo
10/06/18 12:32:52 AM
#47:


s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


you honestly don't see the difference in this

s0nicfan posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
s0nicfan posted...
metralo posted...
aww, its so cute how youre trying to act like this isnt going to be a complete dictatorship. youre out of your mind if you think trump leaves if he loses in 2020


I saw the same wailing and gnashing of teeth during the election when we were promised that the country would completely collapse shortly after he took office. It's been 2 years and we're still here.


And the US's diplomatic reputation is ruined, the UN is literally laughing at them, the new tax reforms have done nothing but reinforce corporate dominion, press freedom has been slowly eroded, social values are heading backwards, the President believes he is within his right to fire any dissenters, the trade war is costing Americans both jobs and money, the government has thrown out relations with First World economies in favor of friendships with dictators, etc.

The America you knew has collapsed, man. What you are looking at now looks nothing like what it was before, whether you like what it has become or not.


If you legitimately believe all this, you should probably be in therapy, because you're expressing a level of delusion that usually requires heavy medication.


can you refute literally any of this? i would love to see a cultist rationalize it. i know you'll ignore it just like earlier. but this is all objectively true.
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RiderofHogs
10/06/18 12:35:56 AM
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The final nail for democracy was when the democrats let their "democratic" primaries get rigged and did nothing about it.
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BalisticWarri0r
10/06/18 12:39:22 AM
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There's a lot of overexaggerated crying in this topic.
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gunplagirl
10/06/18 1:57:56 AM
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Ever notice that like 95% of the people spouting "it's going to be okay" are generally able bodied cishet white Christian males aka the group that's always fine regardless of anything that happens or who is in power?

Look at the AIDS epidemic. People saying "it'll be okay" were not the ones dying in massive numbers, while gay people were due to the President intentionally preventing any meaningful help or even studies into how to prevent the transmission of the virus.
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Questionmarktarius
10/06/18 2:10:26 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Ever notice that like 95% of the people spouting "it's going to be okay" are generally able bodied cishet white Christian males aka the group that's always fine regardless of anything that happens or who is in power?

Look at the AIDS epidemic. People saying "it'll be okay" were not the ones dying in massive numbers, while gay people were due to the President intentionally preventing any meaningful help or even studies into how to prevent the transmission of the virus.

I'm going to defer to the wisdom of a great Canadian here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Orjbwv8H9zM" data-time="
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