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Veggeta X 10/05/18 9:57:12 AM #1:	They're not exactly saying the original argument is wrong or less. Maybe they're trying to say another situation just needs equal treatment? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:909999084] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>They're not exactly saying the original argument is wrong or less. Maybe they're trying to say another situation just needs equal treatment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 10/05/18 9:58:33 AM #2:	because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one <cite>treewojima posted [p:909999135] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cornmuffins 10/05/18 10:02:05 AM #3:	What about capcom though? --- Getting C's and D's, saying thanks and please. You broke the golden rule, you're staying after school. <cite>Cornmuffins posted [p:909999274] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>What about capcom though?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rick-C137 10/05/18 10:02:47 AM #4:	people don't like being outed as hypocrites --- Rickest Rick bro <cite>Rick-C137 posted [p:909999299] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>people don't like being outed as hypocrites</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 10/05/18 10:03:06 AM #5:	Rick-C137 posted... people don't like being outed as hypocrites --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:909999309] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rick-C137 posted...</cite> <quote>people don't like being outed as hypocrites</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/05/18 10:03:59 AM #6:	Yeah but big titties --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:909999337] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>Yeah but big titties</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJCAT 10/05/18 10:04:52 AM #7:	it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented --- PSN: SUPER_KITTY_JAM FC: SW-2262-4005-7054 <cite>SSJCAT posted [p:909999379] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 10/05/18 10:09:23 AM #8:	SSJCAT posted... it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented This, it's a logical fallacy --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:909999556] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented</quote> This, it's a logical fallacy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/05/18 10:10:18 AM #9:	treewojima posted... because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one SSJCAT posted... it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented These --- Hey what's going on in this thread https://imgur.com/6fpKRW8 https://imgur.com/RNZi0gk <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:909999584] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one</quote> <cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented</quote> These</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiggy101011 10/05/18 10:16:07 AM #10:	treewojima posted... because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one --- Gamertag: F1RE v2 PSN ID: F1REx Man got me a 9 and she sexy. <cite>Jiggy101011 posted [p:909999821] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 10/05/18 10:17:25 AM #11:	Nomadic View posted... Rick-C137 posted... people don't like being outed as hypocrites --- The best posts, believe me. <cite>Caution999 posted [p:909999870] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rick-C137 posted...</cite> <quote>people don't like being outed as hypocrites</quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
silentwing26x 10/05/18 10:18:59 AM #12:	Caution999 posted... Nomadic View posted... Rick-C137 posted... people don't like being outed as hypocrites <cite>silentwing26x posted [p:909999922] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rick-C137 posted...</cite> <quote>people don't like being outed as hypocrites</quote></quote></quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 10/05/18 10:21:03 AM #13:	Pointing out hypocrisy isn't always whataboutism fyi. --- F.C. Stokalona https://imgur.com/CJ0dPBq <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:910000000] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>Pointing out hypocrisy isn't always whataboutism fyi.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmidgeIsntBack 10/05/18 10:21:32 AM #14:	ThyCorndog posted... treewojima posted... because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one SSJCAT posted... it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented These --- Audio Theater: For discussion of podcasts, radio, audiobooks, and the like https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1364- <cite>SmidgeIsntBack posted [p:910000030] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one</quote> <cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented</quote> These</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/05/18 10:27:05 AM #15:	Oatcakes posted... Pointing out hypocrisy isn't always whataboutism fyi. Yeah. I mean, you can have some whataboutism while still proving your point, it's more often than not used as a deflationary tactic. --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:910000265] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Oatcakes posted...</cite> <quote>Pointing out hypocrisy isn't always whataboutism fyi.</quote> Yeah. I mean, you can have some whataboutism while still proving your point, it's more often than not used as a deflationary tactic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Villain 10/05/18 10:30:39 AM #16:	Jiggy101011 posted... treewojima posted... because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one And often times its hypothetical whataboutisim. --- https://imgur.com/ZWNgMXL Formerly known as Will VIIII <cite>Villain posted [p:910000418] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jiggy101011 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one</quote></quote> And often times its hypothetical whataboutisim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 10/05/18 10:31:51 AM #17:	treewojima posted... because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one SSJCAT posted... it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:910000473] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one</quote> <cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 10/05/18 10:32:06 AM #18:	A lot of us here are centrists and will call out bullshit from both sides of the aisle. So if we criticize Democrats, and Doom_Art says "but Republicans," it really doesn't add anything to the discussion. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:910000488] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>A lot of us here are centrists and will call out bullshit from both sides of the aisle. So if we criticize Democrats, and Doom_Art says "but Republicans," it really doesn't add anything to the discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Schwarber 10/05/18 10:33:31 AM #19:	EndOfDiscOne posted... A lot of us here are centrists and will call out bullshit from both sides of the aisle. So if we criticize Democrats, and Doom_Art says "but Republicans," it really doesn't add anything to the discussion. Ftfy --- https://imgur.com/iQXgYOx https://imgur.com/l3frhSF https://imgur.com/HM1Hjby https://imgur.com/bvsFH0H - drawn by Yaridovich <cite>Schwarber posted [p:910000552] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>A lot of us here are centrists and will call out bullshit from both sides of the aisle. So if we criticize Democrats, and Doom_Art says "but Republicans," it really doesn't add anything to the discussion.</quote> Ftfy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/05/18 10:34:42 AM #20:	If person A killed someone, and you say "but person B also killed someone," did person A kill someone? <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910000599] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>If person A killed someone, and you say "but person B also killed someone," did person A kill someone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solar_Crimson 10/05/18 10:35:59 AM #21:	silentwing26x posted... Caution999 posted... Nomadic View posted... Rick-C137 posted... people don't like being outed as hypocrites Not surprised that these particular users are harping this point. --- Be wary of boarding the hype train, lest you end up on the ruse cruise... - nanobuilder (r/nintendo) http://backloggery.com/SolarCrimson <cite>Solar_Crimson posted [p:910000660] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>silentwing26x posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rick-C137 posted...</cite> <quote>people don't like being outed as hypocrites</quote></quote></quote></quote> Not surprised that these particular users are harping this point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/05/18 10:41:16 AM #22:	SSJCAT posted... it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented But it's not actually saying the original argument is wrong. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:910000913] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented</quote> But it's not actually saying the original argument is wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/05/18 10:59:56 AM #23:	However, the Repubs on this websight definitely uses it to say the original argument is weak and useless. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:910001803] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>However, the Repubs on this websight definitely uses it to say the original argument is weak and useless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 10/05/18 11:01:33 AM #24:	How is it pointing out hypocrisy when Vladimir Putin justifies murdering his political opponents because an American killed John Kennedy? --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:910001875] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>How is it pointing out hypocrisy when Vladimir Putin justifies murdering his political opponents because an American killed John Kennedy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:01:44 AM #25:	Just because a past issue wasn't handled properly, doesn't mean a present one shouldn't as well just because "oh but you guys didn't handle THAT the right way! That means we should just say fuck it because it's hypocritical!" --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910001880] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>Just because a past issue wasn't handled properly, doesn't mean a present one shouldn't as well just because "oh but you guys didn't handle THAT the right way! That means we should just say fuck it because it's hypocritical!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordMarshal 10/05/18 11:03:01 AM #27:	"Hey John, you shouldnt cheat on your wife!" "Whatabout how you beat yours?" "Stop deflecting!" --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910001933] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>"Hey John, you shouldnt cheat on your wife!" "Whatabout how you beat yours?" "Stop deflecting!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:03:26 AM #28:	It's the adult version of being petty and petulant about an issue because they didn't get their way the first time around. --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910001955] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>It's the adult version of being petty and petulant about an issue because they didn't get their way the first time around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/05/18 11:04:09 AM #29:	Veggeta X posted... SSJCAT posted... it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented But it's not actually saying the original argument is wrong. True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910001994] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SSJCAT posted...</cite> <quote>it is deflection to avoid actually arguing the point being presented</quote> But it's not actually saying the original argument is wrong.</quote> True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 10/05/18 11:05:26 AM #30:	DoomsSD posted... Heineken14 posted... Oatcakes posted... Pointing out hypocrisy isn't always whataboutism fyi. Yeah. I mean, you can have some whataboutism while still proving your point, it's more often than not used as a deflationary tactic. But what about the times when it's not used to be deflationary? Then Hillary gets another list on her kill count! --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:910002046] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoomsSD posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Heineken14 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Oatcakes posted...</cite> <quote>Pointing out hypocrisy isn't always whataboutism fyi.</quote> Yeah. I mean, you can have some whataboutism while still proving your point, it's more often than not used as a deflationary tactic.</quote> But what about the times when it's not used to be deflationary?</quote> Then Hillary gets another list on her kill count!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/05/18 11:06:46 AM #31:	Dragonblade01 posted... True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion. Do you think people consciously do it to move the subject? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:910002128] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion.</quote> Do you think people consciously do it to move the subject?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 10/05/18 11:07:27 AM #32:	Dragonblade01 posted... True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion. It's not just about that. It's to avoid being on the defensive. In a debate, being on the defensive makes you look weak. If you are scored on points, then it's a bad strategy, but in politics it's actually the most effective strategy. You're like a boxer who always strikes, always keeping your opponent on the defensive. It makes you look stronger and more dominant. It's sneaky and dishonest, but it works. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:910002155] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion.</quote> It's not just about that. It's to avoid being on the defensive. In a debate, being on the defensive makes you look weak. If you are scored on points, then it's a bad strategy, but in politics it's actually the most effective strategy. You're like a boxer who always strikes, always keeping your opponent on the defensive. It makes you look stronger and more dominant. It's sneaky and dishonest, but it works.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:08:51 AM #33:	frozenshock posted... It's sneaky and dishonest, but it works. it works because people fall for it --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910002229] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>It's sneaky and dishonest, but it works.</quote> it works because people fall for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rick-C137 10/05/18 11:09:33 AM #34:	whataboutism really only comes up when liberals get on their high horse and try to moral shame "how could you support that guy" "ok but didn't you support" "no stop! different times! get out of my face!" --- Rickest Rick bro <cite>Rick-C137 posted [p:910002275] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>whataboutism really only comes up when liberals get on their high horse and try to moral shame "how could you support that guy" "ok but didn't you support" "no stop! different times! get out of my face!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:10:58 AM #35:	Rick-C137 posted... whataboutism really only comes up when liberals get on their high horse and try to moral shame "how could you support that guy" "ok but didn't you support" "no stop! different times! get out of my face!" I mean you're technically right, but not everyone was either aware of those bad things in the past happening or didn't believe it back then, so not everyone speaking out is a hypocrite --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910002340] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rick-C137 posted...</cite> <quote>whataboutism really only comes up when liberals get on their high horse and try to moral shame "how could you support that guy" "ok but didn't you support" "no stop! different times! get out of my face!"</quote> I mean you're technically right, but not everyone was either aware of those bad things in the past happening or didn't believe it back then, so not everyone speaking out is a hypocrite</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 10/05/18 11:12:00 AM #36:	I'm conflicted. On one hand it can be a tactic used to deflect the conversation, like some have said, but on the other hand hypocrisy needs to be pointed out. Especially since people in politics can be very very hypocritical. I personally have a problem with hypocrisy in general even though I admit I myself can be hypocritical, but I try my best not to be though. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:910002396] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>I'm conflicted. On one hand it can be a tactic used to deflect the conversation, like some have said, but on the other hand hypocrisy needs to be pointed out. Especially since people in politics can be very very hypocritical. I personally have a problem with hypocrisy in general even though I admit I myself can be hypocritical, but I try my best not to be though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/05/18 11:12:22 AM #37:	Veggeta X posted... Dragonblade01 posted... True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion. Do you think people consciously do it to move the subject? Some do. Others do it because they subconsciously realize that it shifts the discussion away from themselves. And others do it simply because they want to appeal to some sense of fairness in order to escape punishment or criticism. Remember, whataboutism is something that children do all the time and are routinely corrected over. "But he started!" "But she was doing it too and you didn't get mad at her!" "But everyone's doing it!" <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910002417] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Veggeta X posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>True, but it also changes the topic of conversation. It's a tactic to derail discussion.</quote> Do you think people consciously do it to move the subject?</quote> Some do. Others do it because they subconsciously realize that it shifts the discussion away from themselves. And others do it simply because they want to appeal to some sense of fairness in order to escape punishment or criticism. Remember, whataboutism is something that children do all the time and are routinely corrected over. "But he started!" "But she was doing it too and you didn't get mad at her!" "But everyone's doing it!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:13:23 AM #38:	Southernfatman posted... I'm conflicted. On one hand it can be a tactic used to deflect the conversation, like some have said, but on the other hand hypocrisy needs to be pointed out. Especially since people in politics can be very very hypocritical. I personally have a problem with hypocrisy in general even though I admit I myself can be hypocritical, but I try my best not to be though. catboy0_0 posted... but not everyone was either aware of those bad things in the past happening or didn't believe it back then, so not everyone speaking out is a hypocrite --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910002452] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>I'm conflicted. On one hand it can be a tactic used to deflect the conversation, like some have said, but on the other hand hypocrisy needs to be pointed out. Especially since people in politics can be very very hypocritical. I personally have a problem with hypocrisy in general even though I admit I myself can be hypocritical, but I try my best not to be though.</quote> <cite>catboy0_0 posted...</cite> <quote>but not everyone was either aware of those bad things in the past happening or didn't believe it back then, so not everyone speaking out is a hypocrite</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TomNook20 10/05/18 11:17:59 AM #39:	Depends entirely on the context and whether it's pointing out a contradiction. A: Trump is a morally bad person! B: But what about the bad thing's Hillary did? A: Those are also bad, that doesn't change what I said. In this case it's just deflecting. A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... In this case you're pointing out a contradiction which person A needs to resolve in order to make a valid argument. --- http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/098/7/4/tom_nook_by_themerce-d3dhi0q.png http://www.gameswagonline.com/uploads/9/0/8/9/9089979/1372277527.jpg <cite>TomNook20 posted [p:910002672] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>Depends entirely on the context and whether it's pointing out a contradiction. A: Trump is a morally bad person! B: But what about the bad thing's Hillary did? A: Those are also bad, that doesn't change what I said. In this case it's just deflecting. A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... In this case you're pointing out a contradiction which person A needs to resolve in order to make a valid argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 10/05/18 11:31:58 AM #40:	Even in the best case scenario, it's basically admitting you're defending something shitty. <cite>Raikuro posted [p:910003323] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>Even in the best case scenario, it's basically admitting you're defending something shitty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:33:29 AM #41:	b-b-but YOU did that FIRST --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910003397] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>b-b-but YOU did that FIRST</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 10/05/18 11:37:22 AM #42:	I'm against whataboutism for the most part however I truly believe in fighting fire with fire as well. Like if you're gonna troll me then you better be ready to be trolled too. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Capcom Defense Force <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:910003598] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>I'm against whataboutism for the most part however I truly believe in fighting fire with fire as well. Like if you're gonna troll me then you better be ready to be trolled too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 10/05/18 11:42:14 AM #43:	TomNook20 posted... Depends entirely on the context and whether it's pointing out a contradiction. A: Trump is a morally bad person! B: But what about the bad thing's Hillary did? A: Those are also bad, that doesn't change what I said. In this case it's just deflecting. A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... In this case you're pointing out a contradiction which person A needs to resolve in order to make a valid argument. Good point --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:910003837] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>TomNook20 posted...</cite> <quote>Depends entirely on the context and whether it's pointing out a contradiction. A: Trump is a morally bad person! B: But what about the bad thing's Hillary did? A: Those are also bad, that doesn't change what I said. In this case it's just deflecting. A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... In this case you're pointing out a contradiction which person A needs to resolve in order to make a valid argument.</quote> Good point</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:42:38 AM #44:	EndOfDiscOne posted... TomNook20 posted... Depends entirely on the context and whether it's pointing out a contradiction. A: Trump is a morally bad person! B: But what about the bad thing's Hillary did? A: Those are also bad, that doesn't change what I said. In this case it's just deflecting. A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... In this case you're pointing out a contradiction which person A needs to resolve in order to make a valid argument. Good post --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910003856] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TomNook20 posted...</cite> <quote>Depends entirely on the context and whether it's pointing out a contradiction. A: Trump is a morally bad person! B: But what about the bad thing's Hillary did? A: Those are also bad, that doesn't change what I said. In this case it's just deflecting. A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... In this case you're pointing out a contradiction which person A needs to resolve in order to make a valid argument.</quote> Good post</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 10/05/18 11:49:27 AM #45:	catboy0_0 posted... Just because a past issue wasn't handled properly, doesn't mean a present one shouldn't as well just because "oh but you guys didn't handle THAT the right way! That means we should just say fuck it because it's hypocritical!" What about similar, concurrent issues happening on their own side that are intentionally being ignored or treated far less urgently as the one they are going after with laser-like focus? --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:910004197] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>catboy0_0 posted...</cite> <quote>Just because a past issue wasn't handled properly, doesn't mean a present one shouldn't as well just because "oh but you guys didn't handle THAT the right way! That means we should just say fuck it because it's hypocritical!"</quote> What about similar, concurrent issues happening on their own side that are intentionally being ignored or treated far less urgently as the one they are going after with laser-like focus?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/05/18 11:50:28 AM #46:	Paragon21XX posted... What about similar, concurrent issues happening on their own side that are intentionally being ignored or treated far less urgently as the one they are going after with laser-like focus? that's a different situation, but usually they've been bringing up obama or bill clinton as an excuse --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:910004247] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>Paragon21XX posted...</cite> <quote>What about similar, concurrent issues happening on their own side that are intentionally being ignored or treated far less urgently as the one they are going after with laser-like focus?</quote> that's a different situation, but usually they've been bringing up obama or bill clinton as an excuse</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 10/05/18 11:54:03 AM #47:	TomNook20 posted... A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... This one's funny because people on CE use it all the time, forgetting that most of us were in elementary school when Bill was president. --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:910004435] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>TomNook20 posted...</cite> <quote>A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um....</quote> This one's funny because people on CE use it all the time, forgetting that most of us were in elementary school when Bill was president.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raikuro 10/05/18 11:56:47 AM #48:	TomNook20 posted... A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um.... It's strange how much people try to argue this on CE though, since most of us weren't old enough to vote in the 90's. <cite>Raikuro posted [p:910004573] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>TomNook20 posted...</cite> <quote>A: Don't vote for trump because he's accused of sexual assault! B: But why did you vote for Bill when he had the same issues? A: Uh errr um....</quote> It's strange how much people try to argue this on CE though, since most of us weren't old enough to vote in the 90's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 10/05/18 12:55:30 PM #49:	This topic is a page long lol. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:910007791] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote>This topic is a page long lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/05/18 12:57:13 PM #50:	treewojima posted... because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:910007882] in Why is wha... [t:77069653]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote>because it doesn't address the original issue, it just deflects to an alternate one</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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