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boxington
10/04/18 10:10:09 PM
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..."comfort woman" statue

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/04/654474739/osaka-ends-ties-with-san-francisco-in-protest-of-comfort-women-statue

The mayor of Osaka, Japan, is ending its "sister city" relationship with San Francisco this week, following a dispute over a statue that honors women and girls who were sexually enslaved by Japan's Imperial Army during World War II.

The Column of Strength memorial consists of three women in bronze who are holding hands in a circle as they look into the distance. An older woman stands to the side.

The statue commemorates "comfort women," a euphemism for thousands who were forced, coerced and deceived into serving men at brothels near the front lines.

But the monument's inscriptions about the comfort women "present uncertain and one-sided claims as historical facts," Osaka Mayor Hirofumi Yoshimura contended in a 10-page letter dated Tuesday to Mayor London Breed of San Francisco.

Yoshimura called the information an "interpretation" that has yet to be proved adding that the number of women who were enslaved and how they were treated during their time in captivity were embellished.

He also said the statue singled out Japan for atrocities and that raising awareness about sex trafficking "should consist of words equally applicable to all countries."


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Milkman5
10/04/18 10:10:56 PM
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what is a sister city
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Kazi1212
10/04/18 10:11:19 PM
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Is he wrong?
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boxington
10/04/18 10:12:52 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
what is a sister city

I'm just copy/pasting a quick definition:

a city that is linked to another, usually for the purposes of cultural exchange.
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Milkman5
10/04/18 10:13:37 PM
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so nothing meaningful?

I don't get it
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K181
10/04/18 10:14:57 PM
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Japan: This didn't happen.
San Francisco: *quietly puts up a small statue to little fanfare*
Also Japan: WHAT THE FUCK, HOW DARE YOU!
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Skye Reynolds
10/04/18 10:15:15 PM
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But the monument's inscriptions about the comfort women "present uncertain and one-sided claims as historical facts," Osaka Mayor Hirofumi Yoshimura contended in a 10-page letter dated Tuesday to Mayor London Breed of San Francisco.


Holy revisionist history, Batman!
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Zikten
10/04/18 10:15:30 PM
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Japan just refuses to own up about comfort women. they want to pretend it either didn't happen, or try to somehow twist logic so it was somehow a nice experience or volunteer work or something
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JlM
10/04/18 10:15:42 PM
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The concept of sister cities is stupid.

My town for some reason that I don't understand is sister'd with Ono San Pietro, Italy.

I guess we're the ugly, fat, unfuckable sister.
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SageHarpuia
10/04/18 10:16:09 PM
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Osaka just needs a statue of some warriors getting crushed by a boulder representing what America did to them in WWII
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The Great Muta 22
10/04/18 10:16:10 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Is he wrong?


Yes, he is
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KamenRiderBlade
10/04/18 10:16:28 PM
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Oh well, nothing of value was lost.
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Middle hope
10/04/18 10:16:28 PM
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Are the sjws frothing at the mouth trying to tear this bigoted statue down?
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KamenRiderBlade
10/04/18 10:17:30 PM
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Honestly, the sibling city thing should be ended globally.

It serves no real purpose IMO.
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K181
10/04/18 10:17:33 PM
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Middle hope posted...
Are the sjws frothing at the mouth trying to tear this bigoted statue down?


Swing and a miss.
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boxington
10/04/18 10:17:54 PM
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Milkman5 posted...
so nothing meaningful?

I don't get it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_city
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Freddie_Mercury
10/04/18 10:18:07 PM
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Middle hope posted...
Are the sjws frothing at the mouth trying to tear this bigoted statue down?


https://imgur.com/wHCBYyk
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_BlueMonk
10/04/18 10:23:08 PM
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can we be sister cities with a korean city now

so we can have more korean girls
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Axiom
10/04/18 10:23:53 PM
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Japan wants to downplay their war crimes. What a shock
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The Great Muta 22
10/04/18 10:23:58 PM
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ImAMarvel posted...
It's fucked up how Japan never wants to recognize the war crimes they committed. Well, not ALL the time, but it happens often enough to disturb anyone.


Japan denying fault in everything is a cornerstone to their society.
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OwlRammer
10/04/18 10:24:37 PM
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they should be a sister city to my city so I can meet cute japanese gamer girls without having to go to japan, its a win win for everyone
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TES_Nut
10/04/18 10:25:08 PM
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Viva Chavez
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Blighboy
10/04/18 10:25:50 PM
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Maybe they should put up a giant middle finger pointed at Osaka

I know a lot of countries like to ignore their dark pasts, but is anyone as fucking awful about it as Japan?
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sou
10/05/18 2:22:25 AM
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But what's the point of putting the statue in San Francisco that has nothing to do with the issue.
Other than pleasing the Korean immigrants?
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fhqwhgads
10/05/18 2:38:18 AM
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SF should worry about their own shit.
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Thompson
10/05/18 2:43:02 AM
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Blighboy posted...
Maybe they should put up a giant middle finger pointed at Osaka

I know a lot of countries like to ignore their dark pasts, but is anyone as fucking awful about it as Japan?

Russia comes to mind.
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SuperShake666
10/05/18 2:45:58 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sacn_bCj8tQ" data-time="&start=12

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Rimmer_Dall
10/05/18 2:58:20 AM
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Blighboy posted...
I know a lot of countries like to ignore their dark pasts, but is anyone as fucking awful about it as Japan?

Turkey.
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WonkyKong
10/05/18 3:07:09 AM
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Thompson posted...
Blighboy posted...
Maybe they should put up a giant middle finger pointed at Osaka

I know a lot of countries like to ignore their dark pasts, but is anyone as fucking awful about it as Japan?

Russia comes to mind.

And England.
Dont forget America.
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Alphamon
10/05/18 3:18:47 AM
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isnt belgium fairly awful about it
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slimfizzle2
10/05/18 3:32:18 AM
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JlM posted...
I guess we're the ugly, fat, unfuckable sister.

Aren't we all
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monkeysRfunny
10/05/18 3:46:19 AM
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I'm surprised they ever wanted to have cultural connections in the first place with such a liberal place.
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legendarylemur
10/05/18 3:59:30 AM
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Classic Japanese denial of their history. It sucks for them, too, sure, but they grow up in a culture that actively tries to get its people to blissfully ignore their past. A smarter country would've embraced all the wrongs they did in what is a pretty recent past and learn from it. It's difficult to call America a "smarter" country but at least they make sure every kid knows a good portion of the nitty gritty of the American past. At least America's excessive paranoia in terms of racism is healthier than ignorance
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Kastrada
10/05/18 4:04:34 AM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
Blighboy posted...
I know a lot of countries like to ignore their dark pasts, but is anyone as fucking awful about it as Japan?

Turkey.


Funny enough but they both have really good social/political relations.

Japan even hates the Kurds living in Japan that escaped Turkey as refugees!
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KamenRiderBlade
10/05/18 4:05:43 AM
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Kastrada posted...
Japan even hates the Kurds living in Japan that escaped Turkey as refugees!
Japan hates everybody that isn't of ethnic Japanese descent living in Japan.
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slimfizzle2
10/05/18 4:14:48 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Kastrada posted...
Japan even hates the Kurds living in Japan that escaped Turkey as refugees!
Japan hates everybody that isn't of ethnic Japanese descent living in Japan.

True dat homie
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scar the 1
10/05/18 4:17:58 AM
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Blighboy posted...
I know a lot of countries like to ignore their dark pasts, but is anyone as f***ing awful about it as Japan?

USA, China
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Kastrada
10/05/18 4:21:04 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Kastrada posted...
Japan even hates the Kurds living in Japan that escaped Turkey as refugees!
Japan hates everybody that isn't of ethnic Japanese descent living in Japan.


Other people can live there and have political protection/status. Japan has formally accepted minorities as refugees.

But not Kurds. Because of their relationship with Turkey. That was my point. >_>
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cavalierking
10/05/18 4:25:07 AM
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legendarylemur posted...
Classic Japanese denial of their history. It sucks for them, too, sure, but they grow up in a culture that actively tries to get its people to blissfully ignore their past. A smarter country would've embraced all the wrongs they did in what is a pretty recent past and learn from it. It's difficult to call America a "smarter" country but at least they make sure every kid knows a good portion of the nitty gritty of the American past. At least America's excessive paranoia in terms of racism is healthier than ignorance


"nitty gritty"?

you know that american soldiers raped during ww2 too, right

and what about all of the number-fudging and detail-absolving regarding african and native american slaves and their treatment?

we learned that they were slaves and taken/kicked from their homes, sure, but did we ever delve into the exact methods in which they were dehumanized (e.g. rape, torture, etc.) in the classroom?

KamenRiderBlade posted...
Kastrada posted...
Japan even hates the Kurds living in Japan that escaped Turkey as refugees!
Japan hates everybody that isn't of ethnic Japanese descent living in Japan.


you mean kinda like how america hates everybody who isn't of ethnic caucasian descent living in america?
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KamenRiderBlade
10/05/18 4:29:57 AM
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cavalierking posted...
you mean kinda like how america hates everybody who isn't of ethnic caucasian descent living in america?
Yet we have the most diverse population composition of any Nation State on Earth.
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cavalierking
10/05/18 4:32:55 AM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
cavalierking posted...
you mean kinda like how america hates everybody who isn't of ethnic caucasian descent living in america?
Yet we have the most diverse population composition of any Nation State on Earth.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level
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DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC
10/05/18 5:09:18 AM
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Zikten posted...
Japan just refuses to own up about comfort women. they want to pretend it either didn't happen, or try to somehow twist logic so it was somehow a nice experience or volunteer work or something

This. I saw something once that contrasted Germany and Japan: Germany has made a sincere (if somewhat unsuccessful effort) to combat Nazism, and has dedicated untold effort trying to keep what brought Hitler to power from happening again; but Japan seems like they usually just try to ignore the atrocities committed during WW2.
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fuzzylittlbunny
10/05/18 5:55:16 AM
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ImAMarvel posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
ImAMarvel posted...
It's fucked up how Japan never wants to recognize the war crimes they committed. Well, not ALL the time, but it happens often enough to disturb anyone.


Japan denying fault in everything is a cornerstone to their society.


IIRC, they've actually formally apologized for some stuff, like the Rape of Nanking, but go back to denying it like all the time. lol

This seems like an oddly specific Wiki to have, but...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

Yeah, they have formally apologized and admitted to it
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unpleasant_milk
10/05/18 6:00:23 AM
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Boo hoo Japan. Im sorry that the vile mass rapes perpetrated en masse by your troops arent hushed up abroad as they are at home.
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UnfairRepresent
10/05/18 5:21:44 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Honestly, the sibling city thing should be ended globally.

It serves no real purpose IMO.

I don't know, It's a cool way to bring people together
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KamenRiderBlade
10/05/18 6:58:14 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I don't know, It's a cool way to bring people together
You don't need a giant sign that says our 2 cities are siblings to do that.
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