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_Rinku_ 10/03/18 7:31:39 PM #51:	Questionmarktarius posted... https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one. So, that's a no from you. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:909909775] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one.</quote> So, that's a no from you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 7:32:49 PM #52:	_Rinku_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one. So, that's a no from you. Sure, why not. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909909837] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one.</quote> So, that's a no from you.</quote> Sure, why not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 10/03/18 7:49:05 PM #53:	Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one. So, that's a no from you. Sure, why not. Here's an actual source on how much universal healthcare actually costs per person. It's about $6k. Drastically less than your lie. https://nationalpost.com/health/how-much-does-the-average-canadian-pay-for-public-health Clearly, you were operating under the delusion/spreading the lie that taxes would cost just as much as what Americans now spend. They wouldn't; that's the great thing about a collective relieving individual burdens. It works in Canada (see above). It works in the UK. It would work here. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:909910700] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one.</quote> So, that's a no from you.</quote> Sure, why not.</quote> Here's an actual source on how much universal healthcare actually costs per person. It's about $6k. Drastically less than your lie. https://nationalpost.com/health/how-much-does-the-average-canadian-pay-for-public-health Clearly, you were operating under the delusion/spreading the lie that taxes would cost just as much as what Americans now spend. They wouldn't; that's the great thing about a collective relieving individual burdens. It works in Canada (see above). It works in the UK. It would work here. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 7:55:43 PM #54:	_Rinku_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one. So, that's a no from you. Sure, why not. Here's an actual source on how much universal healthcare actually costs per person. It's about $6k. Drastically less than your lie. https://nationalpost.com/health/how-much-does-the-average-canadian-pay-for-public-health Clearly, you were operating under the delusion/spreading the lie that taxes would cost just as much as what Americans now spend. They wouldn't; that's the great thing about a collective relieving individual burdens. It works in Canada (see above). It works in the UK. It would work here. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional. You do have an understanding of how mean, median, and mode work, right? From the very same article: Their conclusion? The average Canadian family, consisting of two adults and two children, earning about $127,000, will pay about $12,000 a year for public health care. According to this article, the median family in the US is paying about $4000 for healthcare. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2661699 <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909911060] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one.</quote> So, that's a no from you.</quote> Sure, why not.</quote> Here's an actual source on how much universal healthcare actually costs per person. It's about $6k. Drastically less than your lie. https://nationalpost.com/health/how-much-does-the-average-canadian-pay-for-public-health Clearly, you were operating under the delusion/spreading the lie that taxes would cost just as much as what Americans now spend. They wouldn't; that's the great thing about a collective relieving individual burdens. It works in Canada (see above). It works in the UK. It would work here. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional.</quote> You do have an understanding of how mean, median, and mode work, right? From the very same article: <quote>Their conclusion? The average Canadian family, consisting of two adults and two children, earning about $127,000, will pay about $12,000 a year for public health care.</quote> According to this article, the median family in the US is paying about $4000 for healthcare. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2661699</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 10/03/18 8:00:27 PM #55:	Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one. So, that's a no from you. Sure, why not. Here's an actual source on how much universal healthcare actually costs per person. It's about $6k. Drastically less than your lie. https://nationalpost.com/health/how-much-does-the-average-canadian-pay-for-public-health Clearly, you were operating under the delusion/spreading the lie that taxes would cost just as much as what Americans now spend. They wouldn't; that's the great thing about a collective relieving individual burdens. It works in Canada (see above). It works in the UK. It would work here. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional. You do have an understanding of how mean, median, and mode work, right? From the very same article: Their conclusion? The average Canadian family, consisting of two adults and two children, earning about $127,000, will pay about $12,000 a year for public health care. You do understand what an individual rate (6k) times two (the paying adults in the house) is, right? It's about 12k. You're not doing anything but proving my point. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:909911277] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html Any other source just quotes that one.</quote> So, that's a no from you.</quote> Sure, why not.</quote> Here's an actual source on how much universal healthcare actually costs per person. It's about $6k. Drastically less than your lie. https://nationalpost.com/health/how-much-does-the-average-canadian-pay-for-public-health Clearly, you were operating under the delusion/spreading the lie that taxes would cost just as much as what Americans now spend. They wouldn't; that's the great thing about a collective relieving individual burdens. It works in Canada (see above). It works in the UK. It would work here. Anyone who says otherwise is lying or delusional.</quote> You do have an understanding of how mean, median, and mode work, right? From the very same article: <quote>Their conclusion? The average Canadian family, consisting of two adults and two children, earning about $127,000, will pay about $12,000 a year for public health care.</quote></quote> You do understand what an individual rate (6k) times two (the paying adults in the house) is, right? It's about 12k. You're not doing anything but proving my point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 8:01:58 PM #56:	_Rinku_ posted... You're not doing anything but proving my point. What is your point? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909911356] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You're not doing anything but proving my point.</quote> What is your point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 10/03/18 8:07:17 PM #57:	Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... You're not doing anything but proving my point. What is your point? That taxes for universal healthcare wouldn't be 10k per person. Here's a source on what Americans pay already. 9k just for coverage is outrageous. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-average-american-spends-on-health-care.html <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:909911654] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>You're not doing anything but proving my point.</quote> What is your point?</quote> That taxes for universal healthcare wouldn't be 10k per person. Here's a source on what Americans pay already. 9k just for coverage is outrageous. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-average-american-spends-on-health-care.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 8:13:04 PM #58:	_Rinku_ posted... https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-average-american-spends-on-health-care.html Note that this just links back to the cms.gov page. Indeed, average annual costs per person hit $10,345 in 2016. In 1960, the average cost per person was only $146 and, adjusting for inflation, that means costs are nine times higher now than they were then. Now, what the hell changed since 1960? Here's a hint: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4193636/ <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909911967] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-average-american-spends-on-health-care.html</quote> Note that this just links back to the cms.gov page. <quote>Indeed, average annual costs per person hit $10,345 in 2016. In 1960, the average cost per person was only $146 and, adjusting for inflation, that means costs are nine times higher now than they were then.</quote> Now, what the hell changed since 1960? Here's a hint: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4193636/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/03/18 8:13:42 PM #59:	I read an article yesterday that cervical cancer will soon be eliminated in Australia thanks to our healthcare system. It sure is nice having a healthcare system to be proud of. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909912001] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>I read an article yesterday that cervical cancer will soon be eliminated in Australia thanks to our healthcare system. It sure is nice having a healthcare system to be proud of.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 8:17:27 PM #60:	Darmik posted... I read an article yesterday that cervical cancer will soon be eliminated in Australia thanks to our healthcare system. It sure is nice having a healthcare system to be proud of. Did you guys ever figure out who gave chlamydia to all those koalas? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909912205] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>I read an article yesterday that cervical cancer will soon be eliminated in Australia thanks to our healthcare system. It sure is nice having a healthcare system to be proud of.</quote> Did you guys ever figure out who gave chlamydia to all those koalas?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 10/03/18 8:17:48 PM #61:	Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-average-american-spends-on-health-care.html Note that this just links back to the cms.gov page. Indeed, average annual costs per person hit $10,345 in 2016. In 1960, the average cost per person was only $146 and, adjusting for inflation, that means costs are nine times higher now than they were then. Now, what the hell changed since 1960? Here's a hint: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/johnson-signs-medicare-into-law So, you're just going to be intellectually dishonest here. Medicare has issues because corrupt politicians intentionally cripple it. Additionally, it's far from the only factor at play here. Uninsured people are one of the major driving forces of rising costs. They're largely uninsured because Medicare requirements are absurd in many states. The system is broken, and in my opinion, can't be fixed. We should adopt a system of universal health care like nearly every other first world country has. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:909912224] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-average-american-spends-on-health-care.html</quote> Note that this just links back to the cms.gov page. <quote>Indeed, average annual costs per person hit $10,345 in 2016. In 1960, the average cost per person was only $146 and, adjusting for inflation, that means costs are nine times higher now than they were then.</quote> Now, what the hell changed since 1960? Here's a hint: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/johnson-signs-medicare-into-law</quote> So, you're just going to be intellectually dishonest here. Medicare has issues because corrupt politicians intentionally cripple it. Additionally, it's far from the only factor at play here. Uninsured people are one of the major driving forces of rising costs. They're largely uninsured because Medicare requirements are absurd in many states. The system is broken, and in my opinion, can't be fixed. We should adopt a system of universal health care like nearly every other first world country has.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 8:21:29 PM #62:	_Rinku_ posted... The system is broken, and in my opinion, can't be fixed. We should adopt a system of universal health care like nearly every other first world country has. Okay, but don't expect any miracle utopia. Everyone wants to pay for a Yugo, but get a Cadillac in return. What will actually happen is that some people will pay for a Yugo, some for a Cadillac, and some for a Lamborghini, but we'll all end up with a bus pass. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909912418] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>The system is broken, and in my opinion, can't be fixed. We should adopt a system of universal health care like nearly every other first world country has.</quote> Okay, but don't expect any miracle utopia. Everyone wants to pay for a Yugo, but get a Cadillac in return. What will actually happen is that some people will pay for a Yugo, some for a Cadillac, and some for a Lamborghini, but we'll all end up with a bus pass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Rinku_ 10/03/18 8:23:15 PM #63:	Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... The system is broken, and in my opinion, can't be fixed. We should adopt a system of universal health care like nearly every other first world country has. Okay, but don't expect any miracle utopia. Everyone wants to pay for a Yugo, but get a Cadillac in return. What will actually happen is that some people will pay for a Yugo, some for a Cadillac, and some for a Lamborghini, but we'll all end up with a bus pass. I'll expect a working system like what other countries have. Your fearmongering has no place here. <cite>_Rinku_ posted [p:909912527] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>The system is broken, and in my opinion, can't be fixed. We should adopt a system of universal health care like nearly every other first world country has.</quote> Okay, but don't expect any miracle utopia. Everyone wants to pay for a Yugo, but get a Cadillac in return. What will actually happen is that some people will pay for a Yugo, some for a Cadillac, and some for a Lamborghini, but we'll all end up with a bus pass.</quote> I'll expect a working system like what other countries have. Your fearmongering has no place here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 8:26:37 PM #64:	_Rinku_ posted... Your fearmongering has no place here. What fearmongering? A public system will be better for some, worse for others, meh for other others. We just have to figure out what ratios are going to be. If anything, the immediate gain will be the elimination of hordes of redundant middlemen, each of which drive up costs to some degree. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909912727] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>Your fearmongering has no place here.</quote> What fearmongering? A public system will be better for some, worse for others, meh for other others. We just have to figure out what ratios are going to be. If anything, the immediate gain will be the elimination of hordes of redundant middlemen, each of which drive up costs to some degree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/03/18 8:50:30 PM #65:	I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:909913999] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 8:53:25 PM #66:	Coffeebeanz posted... I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do. One middleman instead of fifty? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909914190] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do.</quote> One middleman instead of fifty?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 10/03/18 8:54:32 PM #67:	Questionmarktarius posted... Coffeebeanz posted... I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do. One middleman instead of fifty? I support Universal Health Insurance. 1 Non-Profit Government run Health Insurance with multiple tiers of coverage based on what you can afford for your monthly premiums. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:909914254] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do.</quote> One middleman instead of fifty?</quote>I support Universal Health Insurance. 1 Non-Profit Government run Health Insurance with multiple tiers of coverage based on what you can afford for your monthly premiums.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/03/18 8:56:08 PM #68:	Questionmarktarius posted... Coffeebeanz posted... I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do. One middleman instead of fifty? A very large portion of my time is wasted by billing and other bullshit that doctors shouldn't have to do. And the lack of a unified EMR system makes obtaining outside records a huge pain in the ass. Plus, always having to look up the patient's insurance to make sure the medication you're prescribing then will be covered. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:909914347] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>I fully support universal health care. Believe it or not, a large number of doctors do.</quote> One middleman instead of fifty?</quote> A very large portion of my time is wasted by billing and other bullshit that doctors shouldn't have to do. And the lack of a unified EMR system makes obtaining outside records a huge pain in the ass. Plus, always having to look up the patient's insurance to make sure the medication you're prescribing then will be covered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
myzz7 10/03/18 8:56:10 PM #69:	health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it. --- ''If I knew how to dox people, and you lived close to me, I would beat you with a bat.'' Bad_Mojo 8/24/2018 <cite>myzz7 posted [p:909914350] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/03/18 8:57:39 PM #70:	myzz7 posted... health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it. We spend so much money on middlemen, it's absurd to even think about. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:909914444] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it.</quote> We spend so much money on middlemen, it's absurd to even think about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 8:57:55 PM #71:	myzz7 posted... health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it. I'll just leave this here... <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909914461] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it.</quote> I'll just leave this here... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/03/18 8:58:33 PM #72:	Questionmarktarius posted... myzz7 posted... health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it. I'll just leave this here... Get that Isaac Newton bullshit out of here --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:909914495] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it.</quote> I'll just leave this here... </quote> Get that Isaac Newton bullshit out of here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/03/18 9:00:19 PM #73:	Coffeebeanz posted... Questionmarktarius posted... myzz7 posted... health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it. I'll just leave this here... Get that Isaac Newton bullshit out of here Well... that chart is somehow less hyperbolic than the quoted post. Nobody is involuntarily going to be a doctor in a public system. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909914591] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it.</quote> I'll just leave this here... </quote> Get that Isaac Newton bullshit out of here</quote> Well... that chart is somehow less hyperbolic than the quoted post. Nobody is involuntarily going to be a doctor in a public system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 10/03/18 9:16:49 PM #74:	I pay $1500 out of my $75,000 salary for universal healthcare in Australia and I gladly pay it for that service. --- COOK WITH A GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL JUST TO DRINK OUT THE DRIP TRAY <cite>DavidWong posted [p:909915463] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>I pay $1500 out of my $75,000 salary for universal healthcare in Australia and I gladly pay it for that service.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 10/03/18 9:37:44 PM #75:	KamenRiderBlade posted... @SageHarpuia posted... Sure but it doesn't have to come from big daddy government. I thought you wanted Big Health Care paid for by the Government, taken out of our taxes? No. And I don't appreciate Democrats reaching into my wallet to pay for that vanity botox injection or gender reassignment surgery. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:909916631] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Sure but it doesn't have to come from big daddy government.</quote>I thought you wanted Big Health Care paid for by the Government, taken out of our taxes?</quote> No. And I don't appreciate Democrats reaching into my wallet to pay for that vanity botox injection or gender reassignment surgery.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EzeDoesIt 10/03/18 10:34:10 PM #76:	fenderbender321 posted... EzeDoesIt posted... fenderbender321 posted... _Rinku_ posted... If you support our current system, you are objectively a bad person. These kinds of statements, regardless of which side they're direct at, are really terrible. So supporters of the Spanish Inquisition, what about them? I don't know shit about the Spanish Inquisition. Are they bad people that kill people? Let's just say Nazis, then. In those cases, I would say that yes if you support a group of people that actively and willingly try to destroy people and their property and their lives, then yes that's pretty telling of a bad person. But a person's opinion on a healthcare system? Come on. Depending on their opinion, it could be just as bad. These are peoples lives at stake. --- What the *** does MMF topic mean?* -Azalea9X <cite>EzeDoesIt posted [p:909919663] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EzeDoesIt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>If you support our current system, you are objectively a bad person.</quote> These kinds of statements, regardless of which side they're direct at, are really terrible.</quote> So supporters of the Spanish Inquisition, what about them?</quote> I don't know shit about the Spanish Inquisition. Are they bad people that kill people? Let's just say Nazis, then. In those cases, I would say that yes if you support a group of people that actively and willingly try to destroy people and their property and their lives, then yes that's pretty telling of a bad person. But a person's opinion on a healthcare system? Come on.</quote> Depending on their opinion, it could be just as bad. These are peoples lives at stake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EzeDoesIt 10/03/18 10:35:09 PM #77:	_Rinku_ posted... Questionmarktarius posted... _Rinku_ posted... I'm deeply rooted in my belief that no one should die due to lack of access to healthcare, yes. Which charity hospital are you regularly donating to, then? I may want to pitch in. Nice deflection there, chap. Don't be heartless; support universal healthcare. Its our rich overlords who should be donating, anyway. They have far more than they need. --- What the *** does MMF topic mean?* -Azalea9X <cite>EzeDoesIt posted [p:909919703] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_Rinku_ posted...</cite> <quote>I'm deeply rooted in my belief that no one should die due to lack of access to healthcare, yes.</quote> Which charity hospital are you regularly donating to, then? I may want to pitch in.</quote> Nice deflection there, chap. Don't be heartless; support universal healthcare.</quote> Its our rich overlords who should be donating, anyway. They have far more than they need.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Le__seul_dieu__ 10/03/18 10:36:52 PM #78:	SageHarpuia posted... KamenRiderBlade posted... @SageHarpuia posted... Sure but it doesn't have to come from big daddy government. I thought you wanted Big Health Care paid for by the Government, taken out of our taxes? No. And I don't appreciate Democrats reaching into my wallet to pay for that vanity botox injection or gender reassignment surgery. ok then. I hope you keep this same energy when you get diagnosed with a serious illness and go bankrupt due to thousands and thousands of dollars in medical bills. --- http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Le%20Seul%20Dieu #1 Aurelion sol on GameFaqs <cite>Le__seul_dieu__ posted [p:909919799] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>Sure but it doesn't have to come from big daddy government.</quote>I thought you wanted Big Health Care paid for by the Government, taken out of our taxes?</quote> No. And I don't appreciate Democrats reaching into my wallet to pay for that vanity botox injection or gender reassignment surgery.</quote> ok then. I hope you keep this same energy when you get diagnosed with a serious illness and go bankrupt due to thousands and thousands of dollars in medical bills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/03/18 10:53:24 PM #79:	myzz7 posted... health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it. do you think doctors are enslaved in Canada or the UK? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:909920598] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>myzz7 posted...</cite> <quote>health care is a service and there is no way of getting a free service without slavery of those who provide it.</quote> do you think doctors are enslaved in Canada or the UK?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperMedz3 10/03/18 10:54:53 PM #80:	Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care? --- Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age <cite>SuperMedz3 posted [p:909920666] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 10/03/18 10:58:14 PM #81:	ok then. I hope you keep this same energy when you get diagnosed with a serious illness and go bankrupt due to thousands and thousands of dollars in medical bills. You think this is some kind of "Gotchya!" but it's not. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:909920815] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><quote>ok then. I hope you keep this same energy when you get diagnosed with a serious illness and go bankrupt due to thousands and thousands of dollars in medical bills.</quote> You think this is some kind of "Gotchya!" but it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 10/03/18 10:59:49 PM #82:	How come people don't have to worry about this in other first world countries? --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:909920897] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>How come people don't have to worry about this in other first world countries?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Le__seul_dieu__ 10/03/18 11:17:00 PM #83:	SageHarpuia posted... ok then. I hope you keep this same energy when you get diagnosed with a serious illness and go bankrupt due to thousands and thousands of dollars in medical bills. You think this is some kind of "Gotchya!" but it's not. lol ok dude. act all tough now but both you and your bank account will be aching after dealing with serious medical problems. --- http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Le%20Seul%20Dieu #1 Aurelion sol on GameFaqs <cite>Le__seul_dieu__ posted [p:909921776] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><quote>ok then. I hope you keep this same energy when you get diagnosed with a serious illness and go bankrupt due to thousands and thousands of dollars in medical bills.</quote> You think this is some kind of "Gotchya!" but it's not.</quote> lol ok dude. act all tough now but both you and your bank account will be aching after dealing with serious medical problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 10/03/18 11:21:01 PM #84:	If I expected the government to pay for it then I would be broke before I even had the accident. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:909921974] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>If I expected the government to pay for it then I would be broke before I even had the accident.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 10/03/18 11:22:15 PM #85:	This is what happens when capitalists get a hold of health care <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:909922024] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>This is what happens when capitalists get a hold of health care</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Le__seul_dieu__ 10/03/18 11:26:24 PM #86:	SageHarpuia posted... If I expected the government to pay for it then I would be broke before I even had the accident. nice, so you have thousands of dollars saved up for when you or a family member become seriously ill and you need to support them financially? --- http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Le%20Seul%20Dieu #1 Aurelion sol on GameFaqs <cite>Le__seul_dieu__ posted [p:909922233] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>If I expected the government to pay for it then I would be broke before I even had the accident.</quote> nice, so you have thousands of dollars saved up for when you or a family member become seriously ill and you need to support them financially?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 10/03/18 11:29:28 PM #87:	If I was seriously ill I'd be fucked either way because if the hospital bills don't ruin me the insurance will. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:909922396] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>If I was seriously ill I'd be fucked either way because if the hospital bills don't ruin me the insurance will.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rattlesnake30 10/03/18 11:33:35 PM #88:	I thought there was like, some cap on out-of-pocket costs. Idk, insurance is so confusing. <cite>rattlesnake30 posted [p:909922569] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>I thought there was like, some cap on out-of-pocket costs. Idk, insurance is so confusing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DavidWong 10/03/18 11:34:58 PM #89:	SageHarpuia posted... If I was seriously ill I'd be fucked either way because if the hospital bills don't ruin me the insurance will. once again I am so glad I don't live in America if this is the case last year i had appendicits, i went to emergency room at 10pm, doctor saw me at 10:30pm, was in a bed at 11:30pm, surgeon came and saw me at 7am, was in surgery at 8am, back in recovery at 10am, back in my room by 12pm, stayed another night, and home the next day total cost? $50 for parking --- COOK WITH A GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL JUST TO DRINK OUT THE DRIP TRAY <cite>DavidWong posted [p:909922643] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote>If I was seriously ill I'd be fucked either way because if the hospital bills don't ruin me the insurance will.</quote> once again I am so glad I don't live in America if this is the case last year i had appendicits, i went to emergency room at 10pm, doctor saw me at 10:30pm, was in a bed at 11:30pm, surgeon came and saw me at 7am, was in surgery at 8am, back in recovery at 10am, back in my room by 12pm, stayed another night, and home the next day total cost? $50 for parking</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/03/18 11:46:24 PM #90:	Yeah when my family would be broke if they had to pay for my Mum's cancer treatments. Before she passed away she was even granted home care included in the public health care system. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909923159] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>Yeah when my family would be broke if they had to pay for my Mum's cancer treatments. Before she passed away she was even granted home care included in the public health care system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/04/18 12:59:27 AM #91:	SuperMedz3 posted... Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care? No. In some ways it's actually a step backwards. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:909926173] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMedz3 posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care?</quote> No. In some ways it's actually a step backwards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/04/18 1:21:23 AM #92:	Coffeebeanz posted... SuperMedz3 posted... Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care? No. In some ways it's actually a step backwards. It's an obvious Cloward-Piven meant to crash the entire industry, and it's working pretty damn well at doing so. We've reached the point where a full government takeover would cost $32 trillion over a decade, but still somehow save $2-4T in overall healthcare spending. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909926985] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMedz3 posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care?</quote> No. In some ways it's actually a step backwards.</quote> It's an obvious Cloward-Piven meant to crash the entire industry, and it's working pretty damn well at doing so. We've reached the point where a full government takeover would cost $32 trillion over a decade, but still somehow save $2-4T in overall healthcare spending.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 10/04/18 1:24:27 AM #93:	Why is America so terrible when it comes to healthcare? --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:909927095] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>Why is America so terrible when it comes to healthcare?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 10/04/18 1:44:01 AM #94:	SuperMedz3 posted... Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care? It's a misguided half-assed step in that direction. Either go all in, or stay where you are. The way it was implemented was dumb and bad for the middle class who had to suffer because of it. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:909927744] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>SuperMedz3 posted...</cite> <quote>Isnt the ACA a step towards universal health care?</quote>It's a misguided half-assed step in that direction. Either go all in, or stay where you are. The way it was implemented was dumb and bad for the middle class who had to suffer because of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 10/04/18 1:50:21 AM #95:	LightningAce11 posted... Why is America so terrible when it comes to healthcare? Everybody is a cheapskate, nobody wants to pay, nobody wants it funded via taxes. If it ever gets funded via taxes, we all know the House members and local members will do everything in their power to sabotage it. That's why I want a Universal Health Insurance that is completely and whole independent of Congress' dirty, evil, greedy, selfish hands. One that is funded by the people, for the people. Where you get what you pay for, and you pay for what you want, and what you believe in. E.g. If you don't believe in Abortion, you don't have to pay for Abortion Insurance. That means that if you choose to ever have one, you pay full price. Otherwise, those who would want one and has prepaid will it get it at "Super Cheap" or virtually free depending on the Coverage you put in. If you don't believe in Genetic Manipulation like CRISPR because it's "Too Close to playing with God", then you don't have to fund it. etc. Those who fund it, will get first access to benefits from it and will get it at reduced cost. If you want to fund research for "Living Fetus Transplants" to help prevent the need of Abortions, you can fund it. You get what you pay for in life, but you don't get to screw around with other folks and what they choose to fund. And you don't get to stop what other people are R&D-ing or insuring. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:909927949] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Why is America so terrible when it comes to healthcare?</quote>Everybody is a cheapskate, nobody wants to pay, nobody wants it funded via taxes. If it ever gets funded via taxes, we all know the House members and local members will do everything in their power to sabotage it. That's why I want a Universal Health Insurance that is completely and whole independent of Congress' dirty, evil, greedy, selfish hands. One that is funded by the people, for the people. Where you get what you pay for, and you pay for what you want, and what you believe in. E.g. If you don't believe in Abortion, you don't have to pay for Abortion Insurance. That means that if you choose to ever have one, you pay full price. Otherwise, those who would want one and has prepaid will it get it at "Super Cheap" or virtually free depending on the Coverage you put in. If you don't believe in Genetic Manipulation like CRISPR because it's "Too Close to playing with God", then you don't have to fund it. etc. Those who fund it, will get first access to benefits from it and will get it at reduced cost. If you want to fund research for "Living Fetus Transplants" to help prevent the need of Abortions, you can fund it. You get what you pay for in life, but you don't get to screw around with other folks and what they choose to fund. And you don't get to stop what other people are R&D-ing or insuring.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/04/18 1:54:41 AM #96:	Universal Health Insurance would just mean it's ran by capitalists lol and it would still be unaffordable to many people. KamenRiderBlade posted... E.g. If you don't believe in Abortion, you don't have to pay for Abortion Insurance. For example you expect teenage girls to be paying for abortion insurance? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909928063] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>Universal Health Insurance would just mean it's ran by capitalists lol and it would still be unaffordable to many people. <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote>E.g. If you don't believe in Abortion, you don't have to pay for Abortion Insurance.</quote> For example you expect teenage girls to be paying for abortion insurance?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 10/04/18 1:56:43 AM #97:	Darmik posted... Universal Health Insurance would just mean it's ran by capitalists lol and it would still be unaffordable to many people. Mine's would be a Non-Profit Government run Legal Entity. Solvency & Long term Fundability along with ZERO ways for congress to tap into it's money pool where money is a one way street from Congress to my UHI is concerned. For example you expect teenage girls to be paying for abortion insurance? No, but Children are covered by Health Insurance due to those who are the Prime ages of 20-69 are covering for those < 20 and those >=70 That's part of my mandate, to make sure all Children / Elderly get coverage. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:909928123] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Universal Health Insurance would just mean it's ran by capitalists lol and it would still be unaffordable to many people.</quote>Mine's would be a Non-Profit Government run Legal Entity. Solvency & Long term Fundability along with ZERO ways for congress to tap into it's money pool where money is a one way street from Congress to my UHI is concerned. <quote>For example you expect teenage girls to be paying for abortion insurance?</quote>No, but Children are covered by Health Insurance due to those who are the Prime ages of 20-69 are covering for those < 20 and those >=70 That's part of my mandate, to make sure all Children / Elderly get coverage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 10/04/18 2:03:29 AM #98:	LightningAce11 posted... Why is America so terrible when it comes to healthcare? Special interest groups have a lot more political power in the US than in other developed nations. We also have a massive amount of low-information conservative voters who can be led to believe anything. The amount of people who don't realize UHC is cheaper than our system is shocking. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:909928319] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Why is America so terrible when it comes to healthcare?</quote> Special interest groups have a lot more political power in the US than in other developed nations. We also have a massive amount of low-information conservative voters who can be led to believe anything. The amount of people who don't realize UHC is cheaper than our system is shocking.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 10/04/18 2:05:57 AM #99:	So if there was a presidential candidate who pushed for and implemented healthcare like other countries have, they would be called the best ever? --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:909928391] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>So if there was a presidential candidate who pushed for and implemented healthcare like other countries have, they would be called the best ever?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/04/18 2:07:10 AM #100:	So you're saying that people pay into this giant insurance pool that can't make a profit and can't be touched by congress. That somehow not only pays for medical treatment for everyone who pays (along with the children and the elderly who get it for free?) but also pays for medical research and the like. Oh wait no you say you get medical treatment at a reduced cost so I guess it doesn't pay for your medical cover. On top of this you have to go through an extremely long checklist to choose what medical issues you wish to fund with your payments. If someone ticks all of the boxes do they pay an extremely large premium? Do they get covered for stuff they don't fund? Or does that only pay for medical research? If people don't pay this scheme or if they don't make enough to pay the health industry what happens? Does it just...stop? --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909928427] in Why we nee... [t:77064503]...</cite> <quote>So you're saying that people pay into this giant insurance pool that can't make a profit and can't be touched by congress. That somehow not only pays for medical treatment for everyone who pays (along with the children and the elderly who get it for free?) but also pays for medical research and the like. Oh wait no you say you get medical treatment at a reduced cost so I guess it doesn't pay for your medical cover. On top of this you have to go through an extremely long checklist to choose what medical issues you wish to fund with your payments. If someone ticks all of the boxes do they pay an extremely large premium? Do they get covered for stuff they don't fund? Or does that only pay for medical research? If people don't pay this scheme or if they don't make enough to pay the health industry what happens? Does it just...stop?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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