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GreatEvilEmpire
10/03/18 3:36:02 PM
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/christine-blasey-ford-testimony-polygraph-questions-rachel-mitchell/
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/politics/blasey-ford-republicans-kavanaugh.html

The full details of Dr. Fords polygraph are particularly important because the Senate Judiciary Committee has received a sworn statement from a longtime boyfriend of Dr. Fords, stating that he personally witnessed Dr. Ford coaching a friend on polygraph examinations. When asked under oath in the hearing whether shed ever given any tips or advice to someone who was planning on taking a polygraph, Dr. Ford replied, Never. This statement raises specific concerns about the reliability of her polygraph examination results, he continued. The Senate therefore needs this information.
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Doom_Art
10/03/18 3:36:58 PM
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"nationalreview" lol
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nemu
10/03/18 3:37:16 PM
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Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.
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X-Pac_Heat
10/03/18 3:37:52 PM
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You clench your anus

Everyone knows that
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RebelElite791
10/03/18 3:38:22 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
"nationalreview" lol

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voldothegr8
10/03/18 3:38:45 PM
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Is he willing to take a polygraph to confirm these accusations?
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Funkydog
10/03/18 3:40:21 PM
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nemu posted...
Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.

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tennisdude818
10/03/18 3:40:23 PM
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He should identify as a women so everyone would have to believe him.
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Howl
10/03/18 3:40:42 PM
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So Dr.Ford lied in her sworn testimony? Never in a million years would I have thought that to be the case.
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RebelElite791
10/03/18 3:41:25 PM
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Howl posted...
So Dr.Ford lied in her sworn testimony? Never in a million years would I have thought that to be the case.

So you use an article from the National Review of all places to confirm your previous bias, yet Kavanaugh repeatedly lying under oath you ignore

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Unknown5uspect
10/03/18 3:41:26 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
Doom_Art posted...
"nationalreview" lol
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TrevorBlack79
10/03/18 3:42:05 PM
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Howl posted...
So Dr.Ford lied in her sworn testimony? Never in a million years would I have thought that to be the case.


Which means, of course, that she's fit to be a Supreme Court Justice.
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GreatEvilEmpire
10/03/18 3:42:14 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
"nationalreview" lol


It's also being reported by the NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/politics/blasey-ford-republicans-kavanaugh.html
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spudger
10/03/18 3:44:58 PM
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nemu posted...
Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.

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NeverOffended
10/03/18 3:48:04 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
Doom_Art posted...
"nationalreview" lol


It's also being reported by the NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/politics/blasey-ford-republicans-kavanaugh.html


huh, I wonder how they'll deflect that?
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Doom_Art
10/03/18 3:54:47 PM
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...
It's also being reported by the NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/politics/blasey-ford-republicans-kavanaugh.html

I think it's disingenuous to refer to that as "coaching" for a polygraph

In any case the person who was allegedly "coached" denies it, so meh.

Given the GOPs behavior the last few weeks I'm inclined to say this is full of crap
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GreatEvilEmpire
10/03/18 4:00:33 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
It's also being reported by the NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/politics/blasey-ford-republicans-kavanaugh.html

I think it's disingenuous to refer to that as "coaching" for a polygraph

In any case the person who was allegedly "coached" denies it, so meh.

Given the GOPs behavior the last few weeks I'm inclined to say this is full of crap


From the hearing:

MITCHELL: Had have you ever given tips or advice to somebody who was looking to take a polygraph test?

FORD: Never.


Technically, she gave tips if what he is saying is true. Whether you call it "coaching" or something else, it doesn't matter. If what he said is true and he gave a sworn statement, then she is lying.

He also mentioned that she never showed a fear of flying.
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darkjedilink
10/03/18 4:06:01 PM
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nemu posted...
Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.

Because they have no actual evidence the party happened, much less that a crime took place, much less that Kavanaugh is the perp.
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darkjedilink
10/03/18 4:06:49 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
GreatEvilEmpire posted...
It's also being reported by the NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/03/us/politics/blasey-ford-republicans-kavanaugh.html

I think it's disingenuous to refer to that as "coaching" for a polygraph

In any case the person who was allegedly "coached" denies it, so meh.

Given the GOPs behavior the last few weeks I'm inclined to say this is full of crap

'FAKE NEWS!' indeed!
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Coffeebeanz
10/03/18 4:07:08 PM
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Unless this claim has evidence, I'm going to assume it's false.

Especially given the source is an ex boyfriend.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/03/18 4:13:21 PM
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lol, so this is fake news. Good to know.
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Were_Wyrm
10/03/18 4:16:22 PM
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Literally nyt
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TheKentster
10/03/18 4:18:02 PM
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Very interesting
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Bloodychess
10/03/18 4:21:01 PM
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This black hole of hearsay won't stop expanding
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darkjedilink
10/03/18 4:25:05 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Unless this claim has evidence, I'm going to assume it's false.

Especially given the source is an ex boyfriend.

This. I'm not buying it, unless someone is willing to come forward and testify under oath that Ford coached them on beating a polygraph.
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SwatterXX
10/03/18 4:33:29 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Unless this claim has evidence, I'm going to assume it's false.

Especially given the source is an ex boyfriend.


Devils advocate: you could say the same on Dr. Fords testimony because they don't have evidence. But I am 100% with you that an ex giving this info is to be taken with a grain of salt..
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Coffeebeanz
10/03/18 4:42:35 PM
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I did make that argument, actually. The interviewing prosecutor noted that the story she told Congress was rather significantly different from the stories she told her therapist, the polygraph and her husband. That certainly isn't proof it's false, but it does raise suspicion.

I just think it's wrong to go after a rape accuser if you're not absolutely 100% certain they're lying. It sets a bad precedent.
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catboy0_0
10/03/18 4:43:37 PM
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why would her ex-boyfriend even be there. this makes zero sense
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darkjedilink
10/03/18 4:47:40 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
I did make that argument, actually. The interviewing prosecutor noted that the story she told Congress was rather significantly different from the stories she told her therapist, the polygraph and her husband. That certainly isn't proof it's false, but it does raise suspicion.

I just think it's wrong to go after a rape accuser if you're not absolutely 100% certain they're lying. It sets a bad precedent.

Our entire system of jurisprudence depends on the ability to face and interrogate the accuser. It's not 'wrong,' it's the only way to make sure the accusation is valid.

Think about it - you just admitted that her story has changed four times. Why not 'go after' someone under that circumstance?
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Coffeebeanz
10/03/18 4:48:58 PM
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Think about it - you just admitted that her story has changed four times. Why not 'go after' someone under that circumstance?


I think there's a very real possibility they could be false allegations. That's part of the reason why I support the FBI investigation. I also believe this benefit of the doubt applies to Kavanaugh, but this view appears to be not shared by others on this website.
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Rick-C137
10/03/18 4:50:23 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Unless this claim has evidence, I'm going to assume it's false.

Especially given the source is an ex boyfriend.

If only this kinda logic was applied to Ford accusing Kavanaugh
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catboy0_0
10/03/18 4:51:50 PM
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Rick-C137 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Unless this claim has evidence, I'm going to assume it's false.

Especially given the source is an ex boyfriend.

If only this kinda logic was applied to Ford accusing Kavanaugh

except that's not even remotely similar in believability
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s0nicfan
10/03/18 4:53:22 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
Rick-C137 posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Unless this claim has evidence, I'm going to assume it's false.

Especially given the source is an ex boyfriend.

If only this kinda logic was applied to Ford accusing Kavanaugh

except that's not even remotely similar in believability


You're right. This story has 1 person named by the accuser denying that it happened. Ford's has 4.
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catboy0_0
10/03/18 4:54:46 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
You're right. This story has 1 person denying that it happened. Ford's has 4.

no. I'm saying that the ex-boyfriend being there to "witness" her being coached is way more outlandish than the accusation from Ford against Kavanaugh
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s0nicfan
10/03/18 4:55:58 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
You're right. This story has 1 person denying that it happened. Ford's has 4.

no. I'm saying that the ex-boyfriend being there to "witness" her being coached is way more outlandish than the accusation from Ford against Kavanaugh


"But the former boyfriend, whose name was redacted from a copy of the sworn statement provided by a person supporting Judge Kavanaughs confirmation to the Supreme Court, said that when they were together in the 1990s he saw Dr. Blasey use her understanding of psychology to assist her roommate of the time, Monica L. McLean, before interviews for possible positions with the F.B.I. or the United States Attorneys office that might require her to take a lie-detector test."

A boyfriend being in the same room as his girlfriend while she helps her roommate with something isn't exactly outlandish.

EDIT: To be clear, the timing and everything surrounding this is suspect, and ultimately irrelevant since whether she once helped a friend prepare for a polygraph is irrelevant to this case, especially since nobody is taking her own polygraph test seriously, but it's not exactly a crazy accusation.
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catboy0_0
10/03/18 4:56:53 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
A boyfriend being in the same room as his girlfriend while she helps her roommate with something isn't exactly outlandish.

he's an ex-boyfriend though. are you saying they were dating and just NOW broke up? AFTER the polygraph?
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HiddenLurker
10/03/18 4:57:24 PM
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nemu posted...
Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.

A sizable number of liberals used her taking and passing one as concrete proof that everything she said was true...
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Coffeebeanz
10/03/18 4:57:33 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
You're right. This story has 1 person denying that it happened. Ford's has 4.

no. I'm saying that the ex-boyfriend being there to "witness" her being coached is way more outlandish than the accusation from Ford against Kavanaugh


In a vacuum, I agree. However, I do find Ford's inability to give any pertinent details in her therapist notes, polygraph test, and previous discussions about the incident, somewhat unusual. That said, this sort of thing does happen with rape victims. It's often very hard to remember details of the event, because you're so traumatized.

But to go from 0 details, including name and location, to being stunningly specific, is very unusual.
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s0nicfan
10/03/18 4:58:41 PM
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catboy0_0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
A boyfriend being in the same room as his girlfriend while she helps her roommate with something isn't exactly outlandish.

he's an ex-boyfriend though. are you saying they were dating and just NOW broke up? AFTER the polygraph?


Maybe you're misreading the story, but he's saying he saw her do it back when they were dating in college. Not that he saw her do it recently long after they had broken up.
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catboy0_0
10/03/18 5:00:17 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
A boyfriend being in the same room as his girlfriend while she helps her roommate with something isn't exactly outlandish.

he's an ex-boyfriend though. are you saying they were dating and just NOW broke up? AFTER the polygraph?


Maybe you're misreading the story, but he's saying he saw her do it back when they were dating in college. Not that he saw her do it recently long after they had broken up.

ah okay nvm then. I guess it's possible
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SageHarpuia
10/03/18 5:00:48 PM
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Polygraphs are a joke anyway
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COVxy
10/03/18 5:01:23 PM
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HiddenLurker posted...
nemu posted...
Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.

A sizable number of liberals used her taking and passing one as concrete proof that everything she said was true...


I don't think I've seen any such thing said a single time on CE.
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darkjedilink
10/03/18 5:04:36 PM
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COVxy posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
nemu posted...
Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.

A sizable number of liberals used her taking and passing one as concrete proof that everything she said was true...

I don't think I've seen any such thing said a single time on CE.

ledbowman has been parroting her polygraph as proof since the moment it was announced.
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darkjedilink
10/03/18 5:06:51 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Think about it - you just admitted that her story has changed four times. Why not 'go after' someone under that circumstance?


I think there's a very real possibility they could be false allegations. That's part of the reason why I support the FBI investigation. I also believe this benefit of the doubt applies to Kavanaugh, but this view appears to be not shared by others on this website.

Accusers don't get 'benefit of the doubt' in any legal setting whatsoever...

Why do you think rape accusers should?
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ToadallyAwesome
10/03/18 5:08:52 PM
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Im pretty sure this story is from a Bot farm. Its the same kinda shit that happened during the election. Hard to prove but casts doubt on the specific person they want.
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Coffeebeanz
10/03/18 5:12:09 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...

Think about it - you just admitted that her story has changed four times. Why not 'go after' someone under that circumstance?


I think there's a very real possibility they could be false allegations. That's part of the reason why I support the FBI investigation. I also believe this benefit of the doubt applies to Kavanaugh, but this view appears to be not shared by others on this website.

Accusers don't get 'benefit of the doubt' in any legal setting whatsoever...

Why do you think rape accusers should?


Because of the social stigma involved with trying to come out and admit you've been raped. The last thing we need is for people to think that they're more likely to be punished for coming out then they are to get justice.
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Rick-C137
10/03/18 5:14:00 PM
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The last thing we need is for innocent people to be accused of rape
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SageHarpuia
10/03/18 5:14:33 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...

Think about it - you just admitted that her story has changed four times. Why not 'go after' someone under that circumstance?


I think there's a very real possibility they could be false allegations. That's part of the reason why I support the FBI investigation. I also believe this benefit of the doubt applies to Kavanaugh, but this view appears to be not shared by others on this website.

Accusers don't get 'benefit of the doubt' in any legal setting whatsoever...

Why do you think rape accusers should?


Because of the social stigma involved with trying to come out and admit you've been raped. The last thing we need is for people to think that they're more likely to be punished for coming out then they are to get justice.

You don't get in trouble for making a claim you can't prove, you get in trouble for making a claim that's false.
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COVxy
10/03/18 5:20:16 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
ledbowman has been parroting her polygraph as proof since the moment it was announced.


Well, I certainly haven't seen it. Would have commented if I did.
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TrevorBlack79
10/03/18 6:17:50 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
COVxy posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
nemu posted...
Why are they even considering that in the first place? Polygraph tests are complete bunk.

A sizable number of liberals used her taking and passing one as concrete proof that everything she said was true...

I don't think I've seen any such thing said a single time on CE.

ledbowman has been parroting her polygraph as proof since the moment it was announced.


That's one user. One user is not "a sizable number."
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