Current Events > It irks me when people call wild emotional instabiliy "Bipolar"

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Bipolar is fluctuating severe depression and, usually, rare "manic" episodes where you're irrationally happy, energetic and possibly even psychotic.

Wild emotional rollercoasters with constant overreactions is more in line with Borderline Personality Disorder.
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ur bipolar
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fenderbender321 posted...

Is this in response to the topic I made earlier today?

No, Goggalor's topic where he blames his joblessness on bipolar, when in reality it's like a combination of BPD and Intermittent Explosive Disorder
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I think it's just cause people being "bipolar" is just sort of stuck in common vocabulary. like OCD. omg I'm so OCD lol
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Coffeebeanz posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Is this in response to the topic I made earlier today?

No, Goggalor's topic where he blames his joblessness on bipolar, when in reality it's like a combination of BPD and Intermittent Explosive Disorder

I have been clinically diagnosed with BPD by doctors far more qualified than yourself. I also never claimed to have bipolar. Now run along little troll.
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ThyCorndog posted...

I think it's just cause people being "bipolar" is just sort of stuck in common vocabulary. like OCD. omg I'm so OCD lol

This too
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The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.
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Youll probably notice that people who mislabel shit as bipolar are generally unintelligent
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Zodd3224 posted...

The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.

Me too. Well not my whole life, but Ive had flare ups. My OCD has returned for the first time in a long time and it sucks
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I said the exact same thing to my mom last week.

Crazy coincidence.
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Coffeebeanz posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Is this in response to the topic I made earlier today?

No, Goggalor's topic where he blames his joblessness on bipolar, when in reality it's like a combination of BPD and Intermittent Explosive Disorder

Tbh that sounds a lot more plausible of a diagnosis for him than bipolar disorder
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Zodd3224 posted...

The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.

Im genuinely curious on your case and how its been a nightmare.

Not trying to be an dick or anything. Ive got an OCD diagnosis but its far from life ruining. Id consider it more of a perfectionist personality trait and it gives me great focus for something I need or want to get done.

Im not haunted by any typical ocd symptoms you hear of like washing my hands multiple times, quadruple checking to make sure I locked the door when I know I did, etc. some intrusive thoughts but nothing I cant shake off with some concentration.

But I understand that my case may be pretty mild.
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Zodd3224 posted...

The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.

Doesn't bother me so much. People say it so often that its "normalized" so to speak.

So TC are you bipolar or what
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I have bi polar and I can be REALLY pyscotic sometimes :/

it's really funny that you're trying to call out someone with this topic. it's almost as if it runs on some false premise and bad faith argumentation
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EdgeMaster posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.

Im genuinely curious on your case and how its been a nightmare.

Not trying to be an dick or anything. Ive got an OCD diagnosis but its far from life ruining. Id consider it more of a perfectionist personality trait and it gives me great focus for something I need or want to get done.

Im not haunted by any typical ocd symptoms you hear of like washing my hands multiple times, quadruple checking to make sure I locked the door when I know I did, etc. some intrusive thoughts but nothing I cant shake off with some concentration.

But I understand that my case may be pretty mild.

It isnt life ruining, its just annoying. I have rituals I do all the time with my hands and the way I eat and some other stuff that involve patterns and counting and eveness with left and right. I cant really explain most of them without showing but for example when I eat I always chew my first bite on my left, 2nd bite has to be the same size and chewed on my right. If the size is off it bugs me until I "fix it" on my next 2 bites. If I dont finish my last bite on my right (like if I miscalculate my food) I will obsess over it until I get more food to make it right. Thats just one of many things like even amount of steps with left and right when walking up stairs or in between cracks in sidewalk and it all adds up to me almost alwsys doing at least one ritual while Im awake unless im really distracted.
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catboy0_0 posted...

it's really funny that you're trying to call out someone with this topic. it's almost as if it runs on some false premise and bad faith argumentation

lol got em
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ThyCorndog posted...

I think it's just cause people being "bipolar" is just sort of stuck in common vocabulary. like OCD. omg I'm so OCD lol

On top of that, definitions change often to align with common usage. In a few years, bipolar will officially be defined in the way that irks you, TC.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Is it possible to have the same kind of stuff going on in your brain to cause bipolar, but also have other stuff going on in your brain that sort of corrects it a bit and prevents you from going super wild and crazy?

like I mean sure. that's why they advocate for BOTH medicine and therapy, not just medicine
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No one cares
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It runs in families, whatever you wanna call it. Ive seen it firsthand from an ex whose whole fam was like that.
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

Coffeebeanz posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Is this in response to the topic I made earlier today?

No, Goggalor's topic where he blames his joblessness on bipolar, when in reality it's like a combination of BPD and Intermittent Explosive Disorder

Did this poster ask for your diagnoses? Is that the field you operate in?

Edit: Nvm I see they clearly didn't.

I was trying to help.

Unfortunately there's no cure for being a dick.
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Not like these labels are particularly meaningful anyway lol.
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COVxy posted...

Not like these labels are particularly meaningful anyway lol.

Hey now psych is 100% scientific
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P4wn4g3 posted...

COVxy posted...

Not like these labels are particularly meaningful anyway lol.

Hey now psych is 100% scientific

Psychology, on the whole, is highly scientific. Clinical psychology diagnosis and practice, however, like medicine, is half artform.
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Conflict posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

it's really funny that you're trying to call out someone with this topic. it's almost as if it runs on some false premise and bad faith argumentation

I'm confused why you ride on the joe40001 hate train but stick up for a legitimately dangerous person like gogs

*shrug*

well the thing with joe is people are kind of sick of giving him all this helpful advice for a decade now and he still makes the same self-defeating topics to this day and never learns. I do feel bad for that though as I was drunk and probably shouldn't have been mean because he IS depressed
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COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

COVxy posted...

Not like these labels are particularly meaningful anyway lol.

Hey now psych is 100% scientific

Psychology, on the whole, is highly scientific. Clinical psychology diagnosis and practice, however, like medicine, is half artform.

There are many more issues with diagnosis in psych than regular medicine. I have a friend who thinks psych is garbage just because it measures everything on a bell curve and things like IQ have so many outliers that the measurements become meaningless at a certain point. I don't exactly agree with him, but at the clinical level a diagnosis in psych is far more subjective than one in medicine.
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Zodd3224 posted...

EdgeMaster posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.

Im genuinely curious on your case and how its been a nightmare.

Not trying to be an dick or anything. Ive got an OCD diagnosis but its far from life ruining. Id consider it more of a perfectionist personality trait and it gives me great focus for something I need or want to get done.

Im not haunted by any typical ocd symptoms you hear of like washing my hands multiple times, quadruple checking to make sure I locked the door when I know I did, etc. some intrusive thoughts but nothing I cant shake off with some concentration.

But I understand that my case may be pretty mild.

It isnt life ruining, its just annoying. I have rituals I do all the time with my hands and the way I eat and some other stuff that involve patterns and counting and eveness with left and right. I cant really explain most of them without showing but for example when I eat I always chew my first bite on my left, 2nd bite has to be the same size and chewed on my right. If the size is off it bugs me until I "fix it" on my next 2 bites. If I dont finish my last bite on my right (like if I miscalculate my food) I will obsess over it until I get more food to make it right. Thats just one of many things like even amount of steps with left and right when walking up stairs or in between cracks in sidewalk and it all adds up to me almost alwsys doing at least one ritual while Im awake unless im really distracted.

I see, I understand where youre coming from. Patterns and things being equal or in balance of you want to say that played a bigger part when I was younger. As I grew older I just didnt care as much or certain things like even numbered steps and things but of that nature disappeared. Honestly I think playing sports negated most of it, like shooting off the right foot for basketball or two touches on the same foot for soccer. Hard to explain but I just stopped caring and obsessing over it, especially when I realized it was detrimental to how well I could play.

fenderbender321 posted...

Is it possible to have the same kind of stuff going on in your brain to cause bipolar, but also have other stuff going on in your brain that sort of corrects it a bit and prevents you from going super wild and crazy?

Let me use an analogy. You have a leaking pipe. And the leaking pipe is bad because it gets water on the floor. The leaking pipe represents bipolar disorder. But there's also some nasty build-up in the pipe, which is caused by another issue. This represents another mental disorder. Because of the presence of the other disorder, the pipe doesn't leak very much water on the carpet.

Does that make sense?

Kind of... but not exactly.

Many (if not all? Definitely personality disorders) mental health problems are due to an imbalance of seratonin, noepinepherine, and dopamine in the brain. Cant remember off the top of my head but for example schizophrenics have an excess amount of dopamine and a shortage of seratonin.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

I have a friend who thinks psych is garbage just because it measures everything on a bell curve and things like IQ have so many outliers that the measurements become meaningless at a certain point

This isn't really coherent or accurate (not only is it not the case that everything is measured in relation to a bell curve, outliers aren't exactly contradictory even if you did), so I don't know what conclusion you're actually trying to make.
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I mean I get kinda irked as well but I understand this is just it's colloquial definition. Sucks but people prolly won't stop, just like with antisocial. I'm not gonna always be the "well technically..." guy 24/7.

fenderbender321 posted...

Is it possible to have the same kind of stuff going on in your brain to cause bipolar, but also have other stuff going on in your brain that sort of corrects it a bit and prevents you from going super wild and crazy?

Let me use an analogy. You have a leaking pipe. And the leaking pipe is bad because it gets water on the floor. The leaking pipe represents bipolar disorder. But there's also some nasty build-up in the pipe, which is caused by another issue. This represents another mental disorder. Because of the presence of the other disorder, the pipe doesn't leak very much water on the carpet.

Does that make sense?

I mean it usually just gets compounded. I think I qualify for what you're thinking but it honestly just makes everything worse. Like bipolar and borderline can be comorbid and that doesn't help. I got stacked with psychosis and drug addiction and they just became more symptoms to treat.
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You know, you can have BOTH BPD and BPD
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With your analogy I'd say it's like having a leaky pipe, then adding another floor of plumbing on it.
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catboy0_0 posted...

You know, you can have BOTH BPD and BPD

Yeah, we call them "border-polars" but it's not technically a DSM diagnosis
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Coffeebeanz posted...

catboy0_0 posted...

You know, you can have BOTH BPD and BPD

Yeah, we call them "border-polars" but it's not technically a DSM diagnosis

sounds like some kind of dog breed XD
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COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

I have a friend who thinks psych is garbage just because it measures everything on a bell curve and things like IQ have so many outliers that the measurements become meaningless at a certain point

This isn't really coherent or accurate (not only is it not the case that everything is measured in relation to a bell curve, outliers aren't exactly contradictory even if you did), so I don't know what conclusion you're actually trying to make.

That wasn't my conclusion.
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Part of me thinks people are just being dramatic. You don't have to be a doctor to know you have some symptoms in line with a mental disorder.
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Rick-C137 posted...

Part of me thinks people are just being dramatic. You don't have to be a doctor to know you have some symptoms in line with a mental disorder.

Most people are the worst at giving themselves a diagnosis.
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Zodd3224 posted...

The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.

It shouldn't bother you. People also say they're "ADD" or "addicted" to something. It's just colloquial expressions. But then again you're OCD so your pretentiousness will get the better of you because it's not using the perfect enough definition.
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my abusive ex fiancee was both bipolar and BPD so it was a fun guessing game
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I'm diagnosed borderline and Bipolar II

The best way to describe it is that I do have "mixed episodes" (mood swings) but they generally coincide w/ whether I'm depressed or manic.

The depressive states/manic states are pretty predictable now that I'm older and look for the signs of each, but the mood swings suck; they're generally limited, if that makes sense. Like, if I'm depressed I'll have mood swings between different, more negative emotions. During mania it's the same but for more positive emotions. Sometimes it can completely stray from where I am which really sucks... Also everything w/ relationships and friends and family sucks.

I've been to three professionals and they say "Just be glad you don't have Bipolar I" I guess that's more intense mania, like unimaginable compared to type II.

idc when people conflate or misunderstand either of them...There's really no sense worrying about whether everyone fully grasps every nitpicky aspect of life.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

That wasn't my conclusion.

But you brought it up for a reason, the surround was just your opinion, and the center which I quoted was the only discernable reasoning. So your friends conclusion seems to be one you're leveraging to at least partially justify your own.
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what if mental illness is only situational? really makes you think doesn't it
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ChainedRedone posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

The OCD one bothers me when people say it because I have been living in an ACTUAL OCD nightmare my whole life and it isnt quirky or cute or funny.

It shouldn't bother you. People also say they're "ADD" or "addicted" to something. It's just colloquial expressions. But then again you're OCD so your pretentiousness will get the better of you because it's not using the perfect enough definition.

LoL. Calm down chief. I dont get butt hurt or anything. Its more like "oh honey, if you think your little quirk is OCD, you should see me in action."
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COVxy posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

That wasn't my conclusion.

But you brought it up for a reason, the surround was just your opinion, and the center which I quoted was the only discernable reasoning. So your friends conclusion seems to be one you're leveraging to at least partially justify your own.

Not really. Like I said, I don't particularly agree with him since he seems to make a point about IQ and equates that to all of psych. I can see where having an intolerable number of instances outside of 2 standard deviations might throw the IQ metric into question, but it doesn't necessarily invalidate everything in the methodology. My issue with it is more related to the subjective nature of a diagnosis by a clinician. Partly due to the psychologist jumping to a conclusion within 15 minutes of meeting a person, partly due to the patient's inability to correctly present facts when the diagnosis is being made, and partly because the DSM is classically very overlapping on many diagnoses. A patient has to be very committed to getting an accurate psych diagnosis to get in the ballpark these days. Of course it's a new field and measurement of symptoms can't be done by scientific instruments.
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A little off-topic... it bothered me a lot when people would traffic Adderall during exam times. I was on it from 1st grade until I graduated college. Learning was hell because of my attention span but I still graduated with a degree. Meanwhile people joked about their attention problems when they just didn't study and popped a pill during exam periods because they didn't want to put the effort into really learning it over the semester.
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