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s0nicfan 10/02/18 12:37:54 PM #51:	gunplagirl posted... s0nicfan posted... RebelElite791 posted... s0nicfan posted... Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas. He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples. And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here? They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule. You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:909826129] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas.</quote> He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples.</quote> And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here?</quote> They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule.</quote> You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them</quote> Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/02/18 12:39:10 PM #52:	shockthemonkey posted... Fam_Fam posted... shockthemonkey posted... RiderofHogs posted... shockthemonkey posted... Denying visas is. And its scummy. It is equal to what heterosexuals get. Other countries discriminating against gay people doesnt mean the US should. so they should discriminate against straight people instead to offset it? No one thinks youre intelligent for such a bad attempt at a gotcha its not a gotcha. its clarifying what his point is. Someone claims its equal treatment for all. He says its not because gay people are discriminated against elsewhere, and so that the US should maintain a policy that gives straight people fewer rights than gay people to compensate for it. I'm questioning if that is the logic, and if that logic is appropriate. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:909826210] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Denying visas is. And its scummy.</quote> It is equal to what heterosexuals get.</quote> Other countries discriminating against gay people doesnt mean the US should.</quote> so they should discriminate against straight people instead to offset it?</quote> No one thinks youre intelligent for such a bad attempt at a gotcha</quote> its not a gotcha. its clarifying what his point is. Someone claims its equal treatment for all. He says its not because gay people are discriminated against elsewhere, and so that the US should maintain a policy that gives straight people fewer rights than gay people to compensate for it. I'm questioning if that is the logic, and if that logic is appropriate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 12:53:09 PM #54:	Has anyone considered the international shitstorm of the US "sheltering" the gay partner of a Russian (or Saudi, or whatever) diplomat? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909826936] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>Has anyone considered the international shitstorm of the US "sheltering" the gay partner of a Russian (or Saudi, or whatever) diplomat?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/02/18 12:54:38 PM #55:	s0nicfan posted... gunplagirl posted... s0nicfan posted... RebelElite791 posted... s0nicfan posted... Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas. He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples. And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here? They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule. You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it. ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:909827005] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas.</quote> He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples.</quote> And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here?</quote> They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule.</quote> You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them</quote> Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it.</quote> ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 10/02/18 12:55:05 PM #56:	shockthemonkey posted... Other countries discriminating against gay people doesnt mean the US should. And allowing laws based on emotions and inequality can lead to a very slippery slope. --- I hath returned. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:909827027] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Other countries discriminating against gay people doesnt mean the US should.</quote> And allowing laws based on emotions and inequality can lead to a very slippery slope.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/02/18 12:55:28 PM #57:	gunplagirl posted... s0nicfan posted... gunplagirl posted... s0nicfan posted... RebelElite791 posted... s0nicfan posted... Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas. He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples. And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here? They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule. You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it. ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm You didn't answer the question. Why don't you answer the question? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:909827052] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas.</quote> He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples.</quote> And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here?</quote> They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule.</quote> You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them</quote> Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it.</quote> ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm</quote> You didn't answer the question. Why don't you answer the question?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 10/02/18 12:55:56 PM #58:	gunplagirl posted... s0nicfan posted... gunplagirl posted... s0nicfan posted... RebelElite791 posted... s0nicfan posted... Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas. He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples. And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here? They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule. You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it. ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm Gay people are now special needs people!? Wow. --- I hath returned. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:909827073] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Foreign Policy magazine, which first reported the story, estimated there are at least 10 current United Nations employees who would need to get married to get their partners' visas renewed. The Trump administration believes the new policy is more consistent with the 2015 Supreme Court ruling to legalize same-sex marriage. The heterosexual partners of foreign diplomats and United Nations employees are also not eligible for U.S. visas.</quote> He's literally bringing policy in line to be equal with straight couples.</quote> And for partners who cant get married in their home country or would face legal persecution at home if they got married here?</quote> They can apply for refugee status? This makes it so the same policy is applied evenly to ALL couples regardless of sexual orientation. You can try to spin that as bad however you want, but that's literally the most fair way to apply a law or rule.</quote> You're saying that a diplomat and their partner should apply for refugee status because of fear of persecution? 1) that runs contrary to the entire premise of being a diplomat 2) there are a lot of countries where there's no gay marriage allowed but they don't actually discriminate against gay people in the sense that people are jailed or worse for such things 3) and even in the countries where it IS the case that LGBT people can be jailed, the Trump administration has seen to it that such visas aren't allowed, Jeff Sessions said that such problems are their own domestic affairs and as such the United States has no obligation to help them</quote> Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it.</quote> ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm</quote> Gay people are now special needs people!? Wow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 12:56:02 PM #59:	gunplagirl posted... ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm Anyone can use the wheelchair ramp. It's not a special exception granted to just wheelchair users. RiderofHogs posted... Gay people are now special needs people!? Yeah... this thread isn't going to end well. Time to go get some popcorn. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909827078] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm</quote> Anyone can use the wheelchair ramp. It's not a special exception granted to just wheelchair users. <cite>RiderofHogs posted...</cite> <quote>Gay people are now special needs people!?</quote> Yeah... this thread isn't going to end well. Time to go get some popcorn.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SolidSonicEX 10/02/18 12:56:59 PM #60:	DarkProto05 posted... That's despicable of him. I know you're covering for something. What is it? Deporting children of illegal immigrants? Random raids on businesses looking for illegals? Demanding only English be spoken in all public forums? --- Solid Sonic + 2 punch buttons <cite>SolidSonicEX posted [p:909827127] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkProto05 posted...</cite> <quote>That's despicable of him.</quote> I know you're covering for something. What is it? Deporting children of illegal immigrants? Random raids on businesses looking for illegals? Demanding only English be spoken in all public forums?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 10/02/18 12:59:34 PM #61:	gunplagirl posted... ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" Did you seriously just compare gay people to handicapped people? That is pretty offensive. --- "honestly the worst thing about Shaun King is how pro-cop he is" - averagejoel <cite>thelovefist posted [p:909827244] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law"</quote> Did you seriously just compare gay people to handicapped people? That is pretty offensive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/02/18 1:02:21 PM #62:	s0nicfan posted... You didn't answer the question. Why don't you answer the question? You're being intellectually dishonest in your wording and as such I figured it a moot point to respond with a yes or no when a degree of nuance is necessary. For instance how it isn't the Trump adminstration creating some special rule as it was already in effect. They willingly cancelled it. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:909827369] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>You didn't answer the question. Why don't you answer the question?</quote> You're being intellectually dishonest in your wording and as such I figured it a moot point to respond with a yes or no when a degree of nuance is necessary. For instance how it isn't the Trump adminstration creating some special rule as it was already in effect. They willingly cancelled it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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gunplagirl 10/02/18 1:12:56 PM #64:	Questionmarktarius posted... gunplagirl posted... ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm Anyone can use the wheelchair ramp. It's not a special exception granted to just wheelchair users. I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:909827943] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm</quote> Anyone can use the wheelchair ramp. It's not a special exception granted to just wheelchair users.</quote> I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 10/02/18 1:13:18 PM #65:	Again, maybe we should stop basing laws like this around people being married --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:909827964] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>Again, maybe we should stop basing laws like this around people being married</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 1:21:34 PM #66:	gunplagirl posted... Questionmarktarius posted... gunplagirl posted... ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm Anyone can use the wheelchair ramp. It's not a special exception granted to just wheelchair users. I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 whut <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909828411] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote> ... Okay so we created these special rules where we said "hey, you're building a public school? Guess what, you need to have a wheelchair accessible entrance or else you're violating the law" I guess those darn physically restricted people are the worst for actually being treated with some basic consideration. /Sarcasm</quote> Anyone can use the wheelchair ramp. It's not a special exception granted to just wheelchair users.</quote> I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> whut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 10/02/18 1:39:59 PM #68:	https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45722400 So it turns out they have an exception in place: if the country is willing to grant the same rights to US diplomats, they'll be able to get an exception. After the end of this year, unmarried same-sex partners of diplomats and UN employees will be expected to leave the US within 30 days if they remain unmarried and without a visa status change. The only exception, however, would be same-sex partners of officials coming from countries that do not recognise same-sex marriage. They will be granted a diplomatic visa if the government which sends them to work in their embassies in the US grants the same privileges to same-sex partners of US officials sent to that country. In other words, the only way for a same sex diplomat to get a special exception relative to a heterosexual diplomat is to guarantee that his country will extend the same courtesy to american same sex diplomats. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:909829371] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45722400 So it turns out they have an exception in place: if the country is willing to grant the same rights to US diplomats, they'll be able to get an exception. <quote>After the end of this year, unmarried same-sex partners of diplomats and UN employees will be expected to leave the US within 30 days if they remain unmarried and without a visa status change. The only exception, however, would be same-sex partners of officials coming from countries that do not recognise same-sex marriage. They will be granted a diplomatic visa if the government which sends them to work in their embassies in the US grants the same privileges to same-sex partners of US officials sent to that country.</quote> In other words, the only way for a same sex diplomat to get a special exception relative to a heterosexual diplomat is to guarantee that his country will extend the same courtesy to american same sex diplomats.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 1:43:36 PM #69:	s0nicfan posted... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45722400 So it turns out they have an exception in place: if the country is willing to grant the same rights to US diplomats, they'll be able to get an exception. After the end of this year, unmarried same-sex partners of diplomats and UN employees will be expected to leave the US within 30 days if they remain unmarried and without a visa status change. The only exception, however, would be same-sex partners of officials coming from countries that do not recognise same-sex marriage. They will be granted a diplomatic visa if the government which sends them to work in their embassies in the US grants the same privileges to same-sex partners of US officials sent to that country. In other words, the only way for a same sex diplomat to get a special exception relative to a heterosexual diplomat is to guarantee that his country will extend the same courtesy to american same sex diplomats. Okay, that's weird. How, exactly, does this reciprocity "punish" Russia or Saudi Arabia? I don't get it. Who's the country being weird about this? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909829584] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45722400 So it turns out they have an exception in place: if the country is willing to grant the same rights to US diplomats, they'll be able to get an exception. <quote>After the end of this year, unmarried same-sex partners of diplomats and UN employees will be expected to leave the US within 30 days if they remain unmarried and without a visa status change. The only exception, however, would be same-sex partners of officials coming from countries that do not recognise same-sex marriage. They will be granted a diplomatic visa if the government which sends them to work in their embassies in the US grants the same privileges to same-sex partners of US officials sent to that country.</quote> In other words, the only way for a same sex diplomat to get a special exception relative to a heterosexual diplomat is to guarantee that his country will extend the same courtesy to american same sex diplomats.</quote> Okay, that's weird. How, exactly, does this reciprocity "punish" Russia or Saudi Arabia? I don't get it. Who's the country being weird about this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
krazychao5 10/02/18 1:51:56 PM #70:	gunplagirl posted... I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost? --- https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/bigllama?type=posted <cite>krazychao5 posted [p:909830059] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 10/02/18 2:04:38 PM #71:	krazychao5 posted... gunplagirl posted... I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost? You would think. --- I hath returned. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:909830768] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost?</quote> You would think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 10/02/18 2:59:00 PM #73:	shockthemonkey posted... How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate. I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:909833698] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate.</quote> I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 10/02/18 3:03:57 PM #75:	shockthemonkey posted... s0nicfan posted... shockthemonkey posted... How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate. I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate. Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference They are literally applying the same rules equally to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. You can call this a lot of things, but objectively it's not discrimination. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:909833993] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate.</quote> I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate.</quote> Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference</quote> They are literally applying the same rules equally to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. You can call this a lot of things, but objectively it's not discrimination.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 10/02/18 3:04:22 PM #76:	shockthemonkey posted... Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference Marriage is not a right. --- I hath returned. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:909834025] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference</quote> Marriage is not a right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 10/02/18 3:07:34 PM #77:	The spin from what I see is "Married couples are okay. It's better than what third world countries offer".... yes, because America is meant to be compared to shitholes like Chechnya and Syria. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:909834197] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>The spin from what I see is "Married couples are okay. It's better than what third world countries offer".... yes, because America is meant to be compared to shitholes like Chechnya and Syria.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 10/02/18 3:14:08 PM #79:	shockthemonkey posted... s0nicfan posted... shockthemonkey posted... s0nicfan posted... shockthemonkey posted... How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate. I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate. Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference They are literally applying the same rules equally to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. You can call this a lot of things, but objectively it's not discrimination. Youre trying to apply equal paperwork to an unequal situation and its not going to work. The world is unequal. US law and policy needs to be equal in spite of that. I'll ask you the same question I asked gunpla: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based solely on their sexual orientation? EDIT: And just to be clear, the right thing to do here is to allow all ambassadors a single "plus one" that can stay with them, regardless of orientation. That is how it should be, but that doesn't justify maintaining separate rules for separate orientations on the grounds that they don't receive fair treatment elsewhere. That's a rabbit hole with no bottom. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:909834528] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate.</quote> I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate.</quote> Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference</quote> They are literally applying the same rules equally to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. You can call this a lot of things, but objectively it's not discrimination.</quote> Youre trying to apply equal paperwork to an unequal situation and its not going to work.</quote> The world is unequal. US law and policy needs to be equal in spite of that. I'll ask you the same question I asked gunpla: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based solely on their sexual orientation? EDIT: And just to be clear, the right thing to do here is to allow all ambassadors a single "plus one" that can stay with them, regardless of orientation. That is how it should be, but that doesn't justify maintaining separate rules for separate orientations on the grounds that they don't receive fair treatment elsewhere. That's a rabbit hole with no bottom.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 4:07:45 PM #81:	s0nicfan posted... the right thing to do here is to allow all ambassadors a single "plus one" that can stay with them, regardless of orientation. This. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909837540] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>the right thing to do here is to allow all ambassadors a single "plus one" that can stay with them, regardless of orientation.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 10/02/18 4:28:20 PM #82:	Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently! --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:909838590] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 4:29:26 PM #83:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently! You got your equality. Now go - be equal. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909838652] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently!</quote> You got your equality. Now go - be equal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 10/02/18 4:44:30 PM #84:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently! You tried. --- "honestly the worst thing about Shaun King is how pro-cop he is" - averagejoel <cite>thelovefist posted [p:909839443] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently!</quote> You tried.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 10/02/18 4:47:33 PM #85:	Close your account. --- "You will pay dearly for your futile resistance!" <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:909839569] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>Close your account.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/02/18 6:35:48 PM #86:	krazychao5 posted... gunplagirl posted... I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost? They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:909845371] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost?</quote> They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/02/18 6:38:54 PM #87:	Questionmarktarius posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently! You got your equality. Now go - be equal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/same-sex-couples-marriage-benefits-texas-supreme-court-730730%3famp=1 They aren't even equal in the United States --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:909845536] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently!</quote> You got your equality. Now go - be equal.</quote> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/same-sex-couples-marriage-benefits-texas-supreme-court-730730%3famp=1 They aren't even equal in the United States</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 10/02/18 6:39:39 PM #88:	gunplagirl posted... krazychao5 posted... gunplagirl posted... I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost? They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people. the policy doesn't harm anyone. it's taking away an added perk that straight people were not offered. either you make it available for all, or no one. <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:909845577] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost?</quote> They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people.</quote> the policy doesn't harm anyone. it's taking away an added perk that straight people were not offered. either you make it available for all, or no one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 10/02/18 6:40:49 PM #89:	A lot of people losing their gourd about this clickbait article when it's applied fairly to homosexual and heterosexual partners lol. --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:909845643] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>A lot of people losing their gourd about this clickbait article when it's applied fairly to homosexual and heterosexual partners lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/02/18 6:40:54 PM #90:	Fam_Fam posted... gunplagirl posted... krazychao5 posted... gunplagirl posted... I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost? They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people. the policy doesn't harm anyone. it's taking away an added perk that straight people were not offered. either you make it available for all, or no one. Yeah, fuck handicapped parking! --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:909845645] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost?</quote> They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people.</quote> the policy doesn't harm anyone. it's taking away an added perk that straight people were not offered. either you make it available for all, or no one.</quote> Yeah, fuck handicapped parking!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/02/18 6:42:36 PM #91:	s0nicfan posted... shockthemonkey posted... s0nicfan posted... shockthemonkey posted... How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate. I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate. Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference They are literally applying the same rules equally to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. You can call this a lot of things, but objectively it's not discrimination. "New rules. Anyone can run to be a senator but only provided they have earned an Olympic medal for Team America no more than 20 years prior to the date of the election." The same rules apply to everyone, so clearly it's fair by your argument. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:909845739] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote>How would that possibly make this less shitty? Other countries discriminating doesnt make it better for the US to discriminate.</quote> I'd love to hear how the US is discriminating in this instance. Please elaborate.</quote> Discriminating against people unable to get married due to their sexual preference</quote> They are literally applying the same rules equally to everyone, regardless of sexual orientation. You can call this a lot of things, but objectively it's not discrimination.</quote> "New rules. Anyone can run to be a senator but only provided they have earned an Olympic medal for Team America no more than 20 years prior to the date of the election." The same rules apply to everyone, so clearly it's fair by your argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/02/18 6:45:22 PM #92:	Fam_Fam posted... gunplagirl posted... krazychao5 posted... gunplagirl posted... I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost? They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people. the policy doesn't harm anyone. it's taking away an added perk that straight people were not offered. either you make it available for all, or no one. The exceptions was made because of the recognized global inequality and bans on gay marriage throughout most of the world. Not everyone can use handicapped parking, that doesn't mean that it's a special privilege. Yes, anyone can use wheelchair ramps. But physically capable people could use the stair entrance to begin with and as such were never restricted or denied as such access was always afforded unto them. --- Pew pew! <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:909845875] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost?</quote> They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people.</quote> the policy doesn't harm anyone. it's taking away an added perk that straight people were not offered. either you make it available for all, or no one.</quote> The exceptions was made because of the recognized global inequality and bans on gay marriage throughout most of the world. Not everyone can use handicapped parking, that doesn't mean that it's a special privilege. Yes, anyone can use wheelchair ramps. But physically capable people could use the stair entrance to begin with and as such were never restricted or denied as such access was always afforded unto them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 10/02/18 7:24:20 PM #93:	The simplest answer is the most effective one: s0nicfan posted... And just to be clear, the right thing to do here is to allow all ambassadors a single "plus one" that can stay with them, regardless of orientation. gunplagirl posted... Questionmarktarius posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently! You got your equality. Now go - be equal. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/same-sex-couples-marriage-benefits-texas-supreme-court-730730%3famp=1 They aren't even equal in the United States That's an obvious play to overturn or undermine Obergefell, and you know it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:909848057] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>The simplest answer is the most effective one: <cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>And just to be clear, the right thing to do here is to allow all ambassadors a single "plus one" that can stay with them, regardless of orientation.</quote> <cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently!</quote> You got your equality. Now go - be equal.</quote> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/same-sex-couples-marriage-benefits-texas-supreme-court-730730%3famp=1 They aren't even equal in the United States</quote> That's an obvious play to overturn or undermine Obergefell, and you know it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiderofHogs 10/02/18 7:31:07 PM #94:	gunplagirl posted... krazychao5 posted... gunplagirl posted... I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10 Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost? They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people. Marriage is not a right. --- I hath returned. <cite>RiderofHogs posted [p:909848383] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>krazychao5 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote>I've read a lot of fucking asinine, intentionally stupid shitposts in my day but you're trying hard to make the top 10</quote> Is your post comparing homosexuals to handicapped people the top shitpost?</quote> They acknowledged that physically capable people can use wheelchair ramps. Wheelchair bound people can't use stairs. Straight people all over the world can get married and take advantage of the marriage version of the rule for visas (aka the stairs). People in gay partnerships are not all able to get married (take the stairs) and as such there were special accommodations put in place to better allow them accessibility where none might have otherwise existed (the wheelchair ramp). Affording the disabled accessibility through the ADA was vital to helping allow them to engage in society in ways that many were unable to prior to that. So like, unless you can't understand the difference between equal and equitable treatment shrugs maybe take a minute and have some degree of higher thinking? I mean your "oh gay people are disabled now" line? If a person who is liberal said that you'd accuse them of a kneejerk reaction and virtue signalling. And that's what you're doing, you don't actually care about gay people which is why you're defending a policy that only harms gay people while having zero impact whatsoever upon straight people.</quote> Marriage is not a right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 10/02/18 7:48:55 PM #95:	@Questionmarktarius posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently! You got your equality. Now go - be equal. I may have missed it. Can you highlight where in my post I said I didn't have equal rights as a US citizen? Could you also explain what that has to do with what I posted? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:909849346] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently!</quote> You got your equality. Now go - be equal.</quote> I may have missed it. Can you highlight where in my post I said I didn't have equal rights as a US citizen? Could you also explain what that has to do with what I posted?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkProto05 10/02/18 7:57:25 PM #96:	I don't understand how any logical person can call this fair. "You have to be married to get in whether you're gay or straight. Equal rights baby". Some countries don't allow gay marriage so how the fuck are gay partners supposed to get in? The rule clearly favors straight people. --- Alpha Sapphire FC: 2552 5569 3267 <cite>DarkProto05 posted [p:909849818] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand how any logical person can call this fair. "You have to be married to get in whether you're gay or straight. Equal rights baby". Some countries don't allow gay marriage so how the fuck are gay partners supposed to get in? The rule clearly favors straight people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 10/02/18 8:00:31 PM #97:	DarkProto05 posted... I don't understand how any logical person can call this fair. "You have to be married to get in whether you're gay or straight. Equal rights baby". Some countries don't allow gay marriage so how the fuck are gay partners supposed to get in? The rule clearly favors straight people. They can get married in the US. You know that, right? Like how ppl would get gay married in Canada in the 90s --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:909849992] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkProto05 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand how any logical person can call this fair. "You have to be married to get in whether you're gay or straight. Equal rights baby". Some countries don't allow gay marriage so how the fuck are gay partners supposed to get in? The rule clearly favors straight people.</quote> They can get married in the US. You know that, right? Like how ppl would get gay married in Canada in the 90s</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 10/02/18 8:07:49 PM #98:	s0nicfan posted... Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it. What kind of shitty gotcha is this supposed to be? "If you are comfortable with affirmative action, that means you're okay with any law that differentiates by race or gender!" --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:909850441] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Let me ask you a simple question: are you comfortable with the idea of the Trump administration being allowed to create separate sets of rules for people based on their sexual orientation? Because if you allow this, you approve of that concept, and everything that comes with it.</quote> What kind of shitty gotcha is this supposed to be? "If you are comfortable with affirmative action, that means you're okay with any law that differentiates by race or gender!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 10/02/18 8:11:20 PM #99:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently! I remember the logic was that they're also allowed to marry people of the opposite sex so it was still equality. Which hey! Is still the warped logic we see on display here in this topic. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:909850631] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Conservatives: Gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, but instead can have civil unions. Also conservatives: Omg don't treat gay people differently!</quote> I remember the logic was that they're also allowed to marry people of the opposite sex so it was still equality. Which hey! Is still the warped logic we see on display here in this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 10/02/18 8:12:35 PM #100:	s0nicfan posted... DarkProto05 posted... I don't understand how any logical person can call this fair. "You have to be married to get in whether you're gay or straight. Equal rights baby". Some countries don't allow gay marriage so how the fuck are gay partners supposed to get in? The rule clearly favors straight people. They can get married in the US. You know that, right? Like how ppl would get gay married in Canada in the 90s Which would require them to get into the US through another channel first. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:909850702] in Trump admi... [t:77060031]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkProto05 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand how any logical person can call this fair. "You have to be married to get in whether you're gay or straight. Equal rights baby". Some countries don't allow gay marriage so how the fuck are gay partners supposed to get in? The rule clearly favors straight people.</quote> They can get married in the US. You know that, right? Like how ppl would get gay married in Canada in the 90s</quote> Which would require them to get into the US through another channel first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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