Board 8 > A Dance With Dragons Mafia: Topic 8 - In this world only winter is certain.

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Yes, I agree. If Sheep is town literally anyone could be Viserion.

I was really hoping the assumption of Sheep being scum would lead to Viserion but it didn't seem too :(

What was the logic behind Death being scum based on my alignment, again, MI? I'm not feeling particularly off about him although I'm definitely not getting the blaring town signals like last game with him.

To everyone saying my lynch clears stuff up: if you lynch me today, I'll flip town. What exactly would you be able to get from that? Dowolf tunneled Town. Neablis didn't want to be seen on a Town/Town lynch EoD.
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we do have scanners
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Or at least we can reasonably assume we do
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Viserions power might be controllable by anyone else in the scumteam anyway.
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Sheep007 posted...

What was the logic behind Death being scum based on my alignment, again, MI? I'm not feeling particularly off about him although I'm definitely not getting the blaring town signals like last game with him.

To everyone saying my lynch clears stuff up: if you lynch me today, I'll flip town. What exactly would you be able to get from that? Dowolf tunneled Town. Neablis didn't want to be seen on a Town/Town lynch EoD.

To me, it's more that it's an occam's razor thing to me. Scum red doesn't hammer Chris there just to kill Town Chris in a Town v Town lynch. It's most likely that you're scum. This is almost exactly like plum's lynch in the last game.
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Shaduln posted...

To me, it's more that it's an occam's razor thing to me. Scum red doesn't hammer Chris there just to kill Town Chris in a Town v Town lynch. It's most likely that you're scum. This is almost exactly like plum's lynch in the last game.

I don't think it's that close to Plum's vote last game. Plum clearly contradicted himself in saying he wouldn't lynch unclaimed. Red didn't contradict himself and was suspicious of Chris for a while iirc. Hell, I thought he was town even after the vote, until I scrolled down, and probably would've defended him today had he not been lawyered.
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We really shouldn't be metaing the extra accounts it really hasn't gotten us anywhere.
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One thing I do like about Neablis.
His rapid aggression with Harris after he mistakenly believes Harris admitted to having visited Chris
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Also, I feel like the argument I will always be a liability from Shad is weak. If I'm able to prove myself through my play as town, or hell, even scans, why would I necessarily get lynched? Just because scum hammered someone else over me D1 doesn't mean I'll look bad the entire game.
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Sheep007 posted...

Shaduln posted...

To me, it's more that it's an occam's razor thing to me. Scum red doesn't hammer Chris there just to kill Town Chris in a Town v Town lynch. It's most likely that you're scum. This is almost exactly like plum's lynch in the last game.

I don't think it's that close to Plum's vote last game. Plum clearly contradicted himself in saying he wouldn't lynch unclaimed. Red didn't contradict himself and was suspicious of Chris for a while iirc. Hell, I thought he was town even after the vote, until I scrolled down, and probably would've defended him today had he not been lawyered.

Scum comes in to break a tie to save their (assumed at this point) teammate. Scum red doesn't need to make that vote in a town v town. The fact that we know red put himself out on a limb when he could've just let town make a "wrong" decision doesn't make sense. He only makes that vote to save a teammate. I dont even think he does that to take care of Chris in a protection role. Especially when there were people like me expressing concern about chris' claim.
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Meow1000 posted...

We really shouldn't be metaing the extra accounts it really hasn't gotten us anywhere.

I mean, for most people doing it has led them to the correct conclusion that I'm town. I think it's been useful, though I'm obviously biased.
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Always a liability is low on my reasoning, but it's there.
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Sheep007 posted...

Meow1000 posted...

We really shouldn't be metaing the extra accounts it really hasn't gotten us anywhere.

I mean, for most people doing it has led them to the correct conclusion that I'm town. I think it's been useful, though I'm obviously biased.

Uh

This really hasn't happened but ok.
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Meow1000 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Meow1000 posted...

We really shouldn't be metaing the extra accounts it really hasn't gotten us anywhere.

I mean, for most people doing it has led them to the correct conclusion that I'm town. I think it's been useful, though I'm obviously biased.

Uh

This really hasn't happened but ok.

Oh good I thought I was going crazy.
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Shaduln posted...

I'm not 100% certain sheep is scum either, but we also honestly just can't let him live after that. Otherwise he's someone that will always be a question and a liability in the end game.

that's what I'm thinking. and after last game it's not a good position for him
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Shaduln posted...

The fact that we know red put himself out on a limb when he could've just let town make a "wrong" decision doesn't make sense. He only makes that vote to save a teammate.

Okay, but if this is these are your thoughts on Red's vote then what're your thoughts on Neab? Neab was the one who refused to put himself out on a limb and make the wrong decision. If you lynch me, how would that affect your thoughts on him?
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Question for Blade:

Would Red suicide into Chris just so he could say "Lynched ya, bitch."
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XD your right death, I am literally like a dog woth a bone when I feel like I have found something.

I thought it was harris visitng chris. Sadly it was not so.

##vote Sheep

I am voting sheep mostly for information about the lynch d1.

I think it sheds more light on some of the main pushers of both wagon, but regardless of what sheep flips I believe that dowolf will be town. I think he was much to involved in the sheep wagon to be scum when town chris is up for lynch, it is a bit of a wifom reason tbh but I feel lile generally scum become lazier if they know someone is not up for lynch.

If aheep is scum still looks good for several i have no idea what the meta is here about how bus hapoy the board is.

Meow1000 posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Meow1000 posted...

We really shouldn't be metaing the extra accounts it really hasn't gotten us anywhere.

I mean, for most people doing it has led them to the correct conclusion that I'm town. I think it's been useful, though I'm obviously biased.

Uh

This really hasn't happened but ok.

Maybe I'm seeing things through weird lens

But Han and MI came to the conclusion when looking at the votes from the scum doublevotes alone that they made me look like town, and I don't recall an awful lot of other people going through that whole thought process.
Neablis posted...

I think it sheds more light on some of the main pushers of both wagon, but regardless of what sheep flips I believe that dowolf will be town.

Be more specific. What light exactly do you think it'll shed when I flip town?
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Obellisk posted...

Question for Blade:

Would Red suicide into Chris just so he could say "Lynched ya, bitch."

Possible if he was feeling edgy. I noted earlier than Red thinks he's harder to lynch than he is.

Red was being suspiciously quiet, so I do suspect he was thinking about his move before he did it.
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Sheep007 posted...

Shaduln posted...

The fact that we know red put himself out on a limb when he could've just let town make a "wrong" decision doesn't make sense. He only makes that vote to save a teammate.

Okay, but if this is these are your thoughts on Red's vote then what're your thoughts on Neab? Neab was the one who refused to put himself out on a limb and make the wrong decision. If you lynch me, how would that affect your thoughts on him?

Refusing to make that vote depends on how you flip. Assuming scum, it seems like a null tell at worst, town tell at best. Assuming town? Well there, yes, he refused to go out on a limb and it looks scummy. I'll give you that.
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Man, shad was right about himself
he was quite happy to let everyone else do the talking

But to be fair, he at least posted more than dowolf did

and Scare, when he is here, does at least do the thing where he comments on what he missed.
but the endresult is still him voting harris, so it still feels lazy\

Neablis looks a bit better throughout topic 6. Though he seems more on defensive on certain players, than offensive.

Mzero still remains unmemorable

topic7 now
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I know when I'm more useful, and it wasn't going to be in the middle of this day. I'll admit to my short comings.
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I just explained it, that it gives motives and stated about dowolf as an example.

Still not sure how I did not make a decision, it implies i did not end up on either of the main wagons.

Yes i was on an off wagon i to the last hour, but was on a main wagon when it was obvious one or the other with no other options...

So not understanding

Neablis posted...

I just explained it, that it gives motives and stated about dowolf as an example.

Still not sure how I did not make a decision, it implies i did not end up on either of the main wagons.

Yes i was on an off wagon i to the last hour, but was on a main wagon when it was obvious one or the other with no other options...

So not understanding

...Did I just let sheep gaslight me into thinking that neab wasn't on either lynch?
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Shaduln posted...

Neablis posted...

I just explained it, that it gives motives and stated about dowolf as an example.

Still not sure how I did not make a decision, it implies i did not end up on either of the main wagons.

Yes i was on an off wagon i to the last hour, but was on a main wagon when it was obvious one or the other with no other options...

So not understanding

...Did I just let sheep gaslight me into thinking that neab wasn't on either lynch?

Pretty sure it's not the first time he's been accused of not being on either lynch btw.
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In fact it's quite an important vote.
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Meow1000 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Yea scare!

Really you came back and this is all you had to say

The fuck you talking about, I never left.
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Meow1000 posted...

Really feels like Scare's been making it up as he goes along all day when it comes to me

I swear I made a response to this post earliar, unless my phone ate it let me go check
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i'm going to bed. you'd better have claimed by the time i wake up -- and this time, I mean it!

dowolfs crusade against mzero sure is whimsical
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I usually make it up as I go with everyone. Read it, interpret it, what comes out comes out. You just have been playing super close to the chest even though you have been active. I dont know if you're scum, I'm just saying that your play is different than what I am used to
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ScareChan posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Really feels like Scare's been making it up as he goes along all day when it comes to me

I swear I made a response to this post earliar, unless my phone ate it let me go check

Yeah if you already went back to quote it you'd probably already know by now if you did or not
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that was it
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Shaduln posted...

Did I just let sheep gaslight me into thinking that neab wasn't on either lynch?

Thought you knew the circumstances of that, my bad for not making it clear. If he'd ended the day not on any important lynch at all I would've been full-on trying to murder him all day.
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Meow1000 posted...

Scare has officially hit the point where his play has been so lazy I'd be disappointed if he were town.

Meow1000 posted...

Scare has officially hit the point where his play has been so lazy I'd be disappointed if he were town.

I have said several times I am double dipping

by next game day that wont be the case as its endgame
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looking back, I find shaduln and dowolf to both be lacking.
not that much can be done bout that today I think
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htaeD posted...

looking back, I find shaduln and dowolf to both be lacking.
not that much can be done bout that today I think

I brought up that Dowolf's been lacking 30 hours ago and Shad has already admitted he is.

Though if just one of them is scum I'm saying it's Dowolf.
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htaeD posted...

looking back, I find shaduln and dowolf to both be lacking.
not that much can be done bout that today I think

Even I could have told you that.
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well do something about it !
<.<

I still hesitate to lynch sheep because of the viserion vote.
If scum controlled the vote that much, why risk it all with red?
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I mean, I'm here trying to make sure we're ending on a sheep lynch aren't I?
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htaeD posted...

well do something about it !
<.<

I still hesitate to lynch sheep because of the viserion vote.
If scum controlled the vote that much, why risk it all with red?

Instead you think red risked it all for a town v town lynch?
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Ouch, My Votals:
[4] Sheep - (IGCD), plum, (neablis), (Harris), Ghost, Shad, Neablis
[3] MZero - IGCD, (Ghost), (Blade), (Han), Scare, dowolf
[2] Scare - (SBell), (Harris), Han, Harris
[1] Neablis - MZero
[1] IGCD - Sheep
[0] Harris - (Neablis), (SBell), (Scare)
[0] Death - (Han), (Han)

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch! Day ends at 10 PM CST tonight, a little less than 5 hours from now!
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Sheep007 posted...

Also, I feel like the argument I will always be a liability from Shad is weak. If I'm able to prove myself through my play as town, or hell, even scans, why would I necessarily get lynched? Just because scum hammered someone else over me D1 doesn't mean I'll look bad the entire game.

What part of your play do you feel warrants any more days after that lynch?
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Shaduln posted...

htaeD posted...

looking back, I find shaduln and dowolf to both be lacking.
not that much can be done bout that today I think

Even I could have told you that.

You already have!
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Sheep007 posted...

Also, I feel like the argument I will always be a liability from Shad is weak. If I'm able to prove myself through my play as town, or hell, even scans, why would I necessarily get lynched? Just because scum hammered someone else over me D1 doesn't mean I'll look bad the entire game.

What part of your play do you feel warrants any more days after that lynch?

The problem Sheep isn't that, the problem is you looked like **** day 1 and I thought that was a scum/scum lynch to begin with.
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Shaduln posted...

htaeD posted...

well do something about it !
<.<

I still hesitate to lynch sheep because of the viserion vote.
If scum controlled the vote that much, why risk it all with red?

Instead you think red risked it all for a town v town lynch?

its possible he risked it all because he fears protector chris
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htaeD posted...

Man, shad was right about himself
he was quite happy to let everyone else do the talking

But to be fair, he at least posted more than dowolf did

and Scare, when he is here, does at least do the thing where he comments on what he missed.
but the endresult is still him voting harris, so it still feels lazy\

Neablis looks a bit better throughout topic 6. Though he seems more on defensive on certain players, than offensive.

Mzero still remains unmemorable

topic7 now

Im on Miz
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hey now sheep has had a better day then some players I can name

In fact this wasnt a very good day for most of us, myself included
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htaeD posted...

hey now sheep has had a better day then some players I can name

In fact this wasnt a very good day for most of us, myself included

This much is true. The game has been very lacking in energy for a day 2 with two scum dead already.
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