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frozenshock
09/13/18 6:45:42 PM
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Conservapedia gives us a nice hint:

https://www.conservapedia.com/Puerto_Rico_Statehood

Puerto Rico statehood is a proposal whereby the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico would become a state, with the rights in the Constitution guarranteed to it. This would give it voting power in the House of Representatives (currently it has none) and the right to elect two Senators. Typically, Democrats have supported statehood, in order to provide two likely liberal voices in the Senate.

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creativerealms
09/13/18 6:46:21 PM
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Conservipedia, lol.
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Colorahdo
09/13/18 6:47:13 PM
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GDP per capita is half of the US. The US doesn't want to go babysit and fix up some crumbling state
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RoboLaserGandhi
09/13/18 6:47:44 PM
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We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.
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VipaGTS
09/13/18 6:48:32 PM
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too many Brown people. More so they'd be another blue state and repubs don't want what.
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nativengine
09/13/18 6:48:46 PM
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Only room for 50 stars brah.
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frozenshock
09/13/18 6:49:14 PM
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nativengine posted...
Only room for 50 stars brah.


Time to start fillin' those red lines, bruh
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Axiom
09/13/18 6:51:06 PM
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I hear tell there's bad hombres in Puerto Rico. El Presidente isn't a fan of bad hombres
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Damn_Underscore
09/13/18 6:51:09 PM
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They shouldn't be a state, but giving them independence would be terrible for the people of Puerto Rico. It wouldn't be right.
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DirkDiggles
09/13/18 6:51:25 PM
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Because they chose not to be. THeir last vote on the matter was pretty close though.
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BJ-blazkowics
09/13/18 6:52:20 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
too many Brown people. More so they'd be another blue state and repubs don't want what.

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BoxxY2JosHBK
09/13/18 6:53:01 PM
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Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement
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frozenshock
09/13/18 6:53:22 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Because they chose not to be. THeir last vote on the matter was pretty close though.


97% in favor isn't exactly close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_status_referendum,_2017
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nativengine
09/13/18 6:54:44 PM
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frozenshock posted...
nativengine posted...
Only room for 50 stars brah.


Time to start fillin' those red lines, bruh


So you suggest filling the red lines with white stars ?

Thats racists brah. Have my people not suffered enough?
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frozenshock
09/13/18 6:55:25 PM
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nativengine posted...
Have my people not suffered enough?


No.
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CableZL
09/13/18 6:56:36 PM
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BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.
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VipaGTS
09/13/18 6:57:43 PM
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CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.

in fact, the biggest blue state helps sustain those red states.
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DirkDiggles
09/13/18 6:58:07 PM
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frozenshock posted...
97% in favor isn't exactly close


of the 23% who decided to vote....
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UnholyMudcrab
09/13/18 6:58:37 PM
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frozenshock posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
Because they chose not to be. THeir last vote on the matter was pretty close though.


97% in favor isn't exactly close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_status_referendum,_2017

Because all of the people who would have voted otherwise stayed home. Turnout didn't even hit 25%.
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frozenshock
09/13/18 6:59:38 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
frozenshock posted...
97% in favor isn't exactly close


of the 23% who decided to vote....


So?

They also voted in favor of statehood in 2012

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_status_referendum,_2012
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BoxxY2JosHBK
09/13/18 7:03:26 PM
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CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight
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UnholyMudcrab
09/13/18 7:04:51 PM
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frozenshock posted...
DirkDiggles posted...
frozenshock posted...
97% in favor isn't exactly close


of the 23% who decided to vote....


So?

They also voted in favor of statehood in 2012

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rican_status_referendum,_2012

In 2012, 61% of the 54% who voted not to maintain the status quo voted for statehood. That works out to roughly 33% total who voted for statehood.
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VipaGTS
09/13/18 7:06:50 PM
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BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight

the [blue] state you probably hate the most for no reason keeps those smaller red states afloat.
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3rd_Best_Master
09/13/18 7:07:27 PM
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Since when did we care about the opinions of people that stayed away from the polls?
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3rd_Best_Master
09/13/18 7:08:27 PM
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BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight

Barely. The blue state you guys can't stop ripping on does plenty all on its own to feed the nation.
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BoxxY2JosHBK
09/13/18 7:08:35 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight

the [blue] state you probably hate the most for no reason keeps those smaller red states afloat.


Nope. All states are self sustaining
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nativengine
09/13/18 7:08:38 PM
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frozenshock posted...
nativengine posted...
Have my people not suffered enough?


No.


Good to know you wish more suffering to the Native peoples of America.
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VipaGTS
09/13/18 7:10:36 PM
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BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight

the [blue] state you probably hate the most for no reason keeps those smaller red states afloat.


Nope. All states are self sustaining

no. they aren't.
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Axiom
09/13/18 7:11:37 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight

the [blue] state you probably hate the most for no reason keeps those smaller red states afloat.


Nope. All states are self sustaining

no. they aren't.

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BoxxY2JosHBK
09/13/18 7:11:53 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight

the [blue] state you probably hate the most for no reason keeps those smaller red states afloat.


Nope. All states are self sustaining

no. they aren't.


Yes they are
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UnholyMudcrab
09/13/18 7:12:02 PM
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BoxxY2JosHBK
09/13/18 7:12:43 PM
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And again, they also feed the majority of the country. Anerica thrives because of them
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3rd_Best_Master
09/13/18 7:13:03 PM
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BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
VipaGTS posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
CableZL posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
Imo, if a place can't be self sustaining, they shouldn't be a state. PR doesn't fit that requirement

Plenty of red states aren't self sustaining.


They literally all are. On top of that, without red States, the country starves to death. They more than pull their weight

the [blue] state you probably hate the most for no reason keeps those smaller red states afloat.


Nope. All states are self sustaining

no. they aren't.


Yes they are

prove it. Red states have been shitholes for as long as the country has been around.
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sktgamer_13dude
09/13/18 7:14:06 PM
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BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
And again, they also feed the majority of the country. Anerica thrives because of them

Good old United States of Anerica
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DirkDiggles
09/13/18 7:15:16 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Since when did we care about the opinions of people that stayed away from the polls?


Critics said that voters who favor a developed version of the current status of Puerto Rico (a commonwealth which is part of the United States with internal self-government) had no alternatives on the ballot. As a result, leaders of the Popular Democratic Party (PPD) instructed such voters to leave the second portion of the ballot blank, or to invalidate the ballot.[27]

Because there were almost 500,000 blank ballots, creating confusion as to the voters' true desire, it provided Congress an opportunity to ignore the vote, which it did.[28]

History professor Luis Agrait explained the result in this manner to CNN: "If you assume those blank votes are anti-statehood votes, the true result for the statehood option would be less than 50%."[29] Considered as a percentage of the total number of votes cast in the first ballot, 44% voted in favor of statehood on the second ballot.

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alt_no_1_loves
09/13/18 7:26:06 PM
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Puerto Rico should definitely be a state. As should DC. Instead, as the license plates around here say, taxation without representation.
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frozenshock
09/13/18 7:28:47 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
In 2012, 61% of the 54% who voted not to maintain the status quo voted for statehood. That works out to roughly 33% total who voted for statehood.


Twist it however you want, statehood won the 2012 poll. And in 2017 it won overwhelmingly. I didn't know low turnout invalidated a vote result.
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3rd_Best_Master
09/13/18 7:30:28 PM
#38:


frozenshock posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
In 2012, 61% of the 54% who voted not to maintain the status quo voted for statehood. That works out to roughly 33% total who voted for statehood.


Twist it however you want, statehood won the 2012 poll. And in 2017 it won overwhelmingly. I didn't know low turnout invalidated a vote result.

If it did then I don't see why 2016 can't have a re-do. That result was even more illegitimate than Puerto Rico's; low turnout and the winner didn't even win.
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BoxxY2JosHBK
09/13/18 7:33:04 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
frozenshock posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
In 2012, 61% of the 54% who voted not to maintain the status quo voted for statehood. That works out to roughly 33% total who voted for statehood.


Twist it however you want, statehood won the 2012 poll. And in 2017 it won overwhelmingly. I didn't know low turnout invalidated a vote result.

If it did then I don't see why 2016 can't have a re-do. That result was even more illegitimate than Puerto Rico's; low turnout and the winner didn't even win.


You should look up election rules. The winner did indeed win
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Kastrada
09/13/18 7:33:05 PM
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...
We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.


We could get American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the other territory who's name I forget and have an even 55! >_>
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3rd_Best_Master
09/13/18 7:33:38 PM
#41:


BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
frozenshock posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
In 2012, 61% of the 54% who voted not to maintain the status quo voted for statehood. That works out to roughly 33% total who voted for statehood.


Twist it however you want, statehood won the 2012 poll. And in 2017 it won overwhelmingly. I didn't know low turnout invalidated a vote result.

If it did then I don't see why 2016 can't have a re-do. That result was even more illegitimate than Puerto Rico's; low turnout and the winner didn't even win.


You should look up election rules. The winner did indeed win

And PR voted to become a state. What's the issue here?
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Zikten
09/13/18 7:33:41 PM
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Kastrada posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.


We could get American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the other territory who's name I forget and have an even 55! >_>

Sweet. Let's get it done
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VipaGTS
09/13/18 7:33:51 PM
#43:


Kastrada posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.


We could get American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the other territory who's name I forget and have an even 55! >_>

Lets leave off the Virgin Islands and add in DC.
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frozenshock
09/13/18 7:34:17 PM
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Zikten posted...
Sweet. Let's get it done


It would've been done a long time ago if those places were likely to vote republican.
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Kastrada
09/13/18 7:34:42 PM
#45:


VipaGTS posted...
Kastrada posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.


We could get American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the other territory who's name I forget and have an even 55! >_>

Lets leave off the Virgin Islands and add in DC.


I can't believe you'd turn on your own people like that.
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VipaGTS
09/13/18 7:35:29 PM
#46:


Kastrada posted...
VipaGTS posted...
Kastrada posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.


We could get American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the other territory who's name I forget and have an even 55! >_>

Lets leave off the Virgin Islands and add in DC.


I can't believe you'd turn on your own people like that.

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DarkTransient
09/13/18 7:36:39 PM
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Kastrada posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.


We could get American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the other territory who's name I forget and have an even 55! >_>


Canada?
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DirkDiggles
09/13/18 7:37:04 PM
#48:


frozenshock posted...
Twist it however you want, statehood won the 2012 poll. And in 2017 it won overwhelmingly. I didn't know low turnout invalidated a vote result.


There had to be a clear majority of voter turnout for it to pass.
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BoxxY2JosHBK
09/13/18 7:37:25 PM
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
BoxxY2JosHBK posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...
frozenshock posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
In 2012, 61% of the 54% who voted not to maintain the status quo voted for statehood. That works out to roughly 33% total who voted for statehood.


Twist it however you want, statehood won the 2012 poll. And in 2017 it won overwhelmingly. I didn't know low turnout invalidated a vote result.

If it did then I don't see why 2016 can't have a re-do. That result was even more illegitimate than Puerto Rico's; low turnout and the winner didn't even win.


You should look up election rules. The winner did indeed win

And PR voted to become a state. What's the issue here?


Good for them. They aren't one our states so it doesn't really matter.
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Acceleration
09/13/18 7:38:06 PM
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DarkTransient posted...
Kastrada posted...
RoboLaserGandhi posted...
We literally added Hawaii and Alaska just so we could say we had a nice even 50.


We could get American Samoa, Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the other territory who's name I forget and have an even 55! >_>


Canada?

Ok lets add Canadas 13 territories, PR, guam, samoa, VI, and 3 random Central American countries as states and get to 70
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