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White Eagle
09/09/18 9:02:54 AM
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Rimmer_Dall
09/09/18 9:05:09 AM
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Someone who blames sexism for her own failure is full of shit? Say it isn't so!
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tennisdude818
09/09/18 9:07:08 AM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
Allowing her to abuse the officials isn't okay though. So she rightfully was penalized.

Okay sure
But it'd be nice if they actually followed the standard

I see where you're coming from now, hostility lowered

Maybe this will force them to try and be more consistent going forward...maybe.

Somewhat unrelated: Didn't Serena get verbally abusive with a line judge a couple years back too? Even threatened her. She does need to tone it back.


a few years ago?

dude, NFL and NBA players do it literally every game. some of these guys are prone to fines.

if Serena is going years between verbal abuse, it's even more clear how bad her critics are trying to reach.

there would be a lot less "whataboutism" if there was consistency in the judgements though. lack of consistency is why there is suspicion. in a professional sport, the athletes aren't the only professionals...


There are different expectations in tennis. It would be better to compare her rare outbursts of terrible sportsmanship with the nonexistent outbursts from Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. Well, Djokovic occasionally destroys his racquets and gets penalized but thats directed at himself.
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Pus_N_Pecans
09/09/18 9:10:11 AM
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Sounds fair tbh. You throw a fit, you get thrown out of the game. In my experience, that's the way it's always been. Gender doesn't factor into it.
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PrettyBoyFloyd
09/09/18 9:25:27 AM
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Serena should have played Roundball.

Imagine a female version of the Bad Boy Pistons in the WNBA.
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UnfairRepresent
09/09/18 9:28:28 AM
#107:


PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Indians don't like each other either.

her opponent was Asian and she didn't cheat or yell at the umpire
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thronedfire2
09/09/18 9:30:21 AM
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So a coach cant even talk to their player during a match in tennis? Whats the point of even having one
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PrettyBoyFloyd
09/09/18 9:31:00 AM
#109:


Hawaiian_punch posted...
PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Indians don't like each other either.


Whats your point?

I'm figuring that she wouldn't have been as burned up if she had lost to another black player.

Upset, disappointed, then yes.

Not with anger and rage.

Of course I'm analyzing the issue with a biased mind.
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Flamazide
09/09/18 9:32:19 AM
#110:


PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Indians don't like each other either.


Whats your point?

I'm figuring that she wouldn't have been as burned up if she had lost to another black player.

Upset, disappointed, then yes.

Not with anger and rage.

Of course I'm analyzing the issue with a biased mind.

Not everyone is as racist as you are.
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Hawaiian_punch
09/09/18 9:36:35 AM
#112:


UnfairRepresent posted...
PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Indians don't like each other either.

her opponent was Asian and she didn't cheat or yell at the umpire


1) Serena didnt cheat
2) Naomi is half black. She is as black as tiger woods or Obama
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White Eagle
09/09/18 9:37:38 AM
#113:


thronedfire2 posted...
So a coach cant even talk to their player during a match in tennis? Whats the point of even having one

Women can call for the coach during changeovers (every two games after the first game of a set they change what side of the net they are on).

Also emotional support/cheer them on. When you see a tennis player react, good or bad, it's usually in the direction of their box. The guy who beat Federer was ranting at his box all night. It's why you usually see coaches sit still like statues when they aren't applauding politely, to avoid the penalty.

Watching the match live is also better than limiting the coach to the TV angles, so at practice after or before a match they know what to work on.
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12amMadman
09/09/18 9:40:22 AM
#114:


Never knew that about the coaching rule, seems odd. Is it like that at all levels? (High school-college)
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tennisdude818
09/09/18 9:40:47 AM
#115:


thronedfire2 posted...
So a coach cant even talk to their player during a match in tennis? Whats the point of even having one


They watch and provide feedback after the fact. In the case of mens tennis, its not boxing. Its truly 1 vs 1 for 3-6 hours. I guess women get to call coaches sometimes.
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Omnislasher
09/09/18 9:44:30 AM
#116:


Question: what kind of unfair treatment caused her to get spanked 6-2 in the first set? i didn't see the match.
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tennisdude818
09/09/18 9:52:03 AM
#117:


12amMadman posted...
Never knew that about the coaching rule, seems odd. Is it like that at all levels? (High school-college)


In high school and college there is coaching. In junior tournaments which are much more competitive than high school there is no coaching. Unless that changed since I was a kid.
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FaultyGourry
09/09/18 9:53:08 AM
#118:


Getting her old ass dominated by a superior competitor.
Shows zero composure and continually throws a strop midmatch because she can't take losing.
Gets rightfully penalized for her actions.
Whips up the crowd into booing the rightful winner.
Blames her loss on sexism because she knows it's any easy card to play to garner sympathy.
Steals the spotlight from the rightful winner to continue complaining about losing.

Serena just shat all over her legacy with this. What she did to Osaka was fucked up and she should be utterly ashamed of her actions and do something to actually make amends.
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PrettyBoyFloyd
09/09/18 9:56:43 AM
#119:


Flamazide posted...
PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Hawaiian_punch posted...
PrettyBoyFloyd posted...
Blacks, Latinos, Asians and Indians don't like each other either.


Whats your point?

I'm figuring that she wouldn't have been as burned up if she had lost to another black player.

Upset, disappointed, then yes.

Not with anger and rage.

Of course I'm analyzing the issue with a biased mind.

Not everyone is as racist as you are.

Hell I don't know.

It's just the way I'm analyzing the issue.

Am I supposed to lie to myself just to keep others happy ?
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K181
09/09/18 9:59:33 AM
#120:


Okay, sexism is to blame for one game.

What's her excuse for being destroyed in the first match and losing the other five games in that set and the other five sets in that match?
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UnfairRepresent
09/09/18 10:07:33 AM
#121:


Hawaiian_punch posted...


1) Serena didnt cheat

Yes she did.

Hawaiian_punch posted...

2) Naomi is half black. She is as black as tiger woods or Obama

Who cares about race?
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Solar_Crimson
09/09/18 10:08:23 AM
#122:


ManBeast462 posted...
What a sore loser though, losing to an Asian must be annoying for her.

Osaka is Black as well.
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Dusk_
09/09/18 10:21:39 AM
#123:


GIRLS FROM COMPTON OWN TENNIS Hurr hurr. If tennis had weight classes she would suck.
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Dusk_
09/09/18 10:23:40 AM
#124:


Solar_Crimson posted...
ManBeast462 posted...
What a sore loser though, losing to an Asian must be annoying for her.

Osaka is Black as well.


She is mixed, not black.
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Tyranthraxus
09/09/18 10:23:46 AM
#125:


YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Serena is like THE POSTERCHILD for greatness being met with skepticism and doubt, massive criticism BECAUSE OF HER RACE

PEOPLE
MARIA SHARAPOVA HAS BEEN IRRELEVANT FOR A DECADE
YET HER NAME IS STILL BROUGHT UP STILL BROUGHT UP NEXT TO SERENA WILLIAMS'
WHY

You know why


Because of people who don't watch tennis and want to try to have a conversation anyway. Kind of like people who feel the need to give their 2 cents about tiger woods in a golf conversation when he loses so frequently that when he last won a minors it was a huge news with everyone reporting "COMEBACK!?!"
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UnfairRepresent
09/09/18 10:24:33 AM
#126:


Dusk_ posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
ManBeast462 posted...
What a sore loser though, losing to an Asian must be annoying for her.

Osaka is Black as well.


She is mixed, not black.

Everyone is mixed.

Race is a social construct with no actual meaning or definition.
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Ivany2008
09/09/18 10:24:54 AM
#127:


did't get coaching.... isn't she one of the best tennis players in the world? why would she need elite coaching?
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Solar_Crimson
09/09/18 10:25:05 AM
#128:


Dusk_ posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
ManBeast462 posted...
What a sore loser though, losing to an Asian must be annoying for her.

Osaka is Black as well.


She is mixed, not black.

She is Black and Japanese. She's both.
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haloiscoolisbak
09/09/18 10:25:36 AM
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The funny part is that should she brought up her child as a sign she doesn't cheat. But she's okay with throwing immature tantrums?
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voldothegr8
09/09/18 10:27:22 AM
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The real fucked up part here was the crowd booing Osaka during her award presentation, fuck those people. She was beating Serena regardless.
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UnfairRepresent
09/09/18 10:28:22 AM
#131:


haloiscoolisbak posted...
The funny part is that should she brought up her child as a sign she doesn't cheat. But she's okay with throwing immature tantrums?


No one is perfect.

As someone mentioned earlier I hope she'll pull a Christian Bale and apologize for her actions.

voldothegr8 posted...
The real fucked up part here was the crown booing Osaka during her award presentation, fuck those people. She was beating Serena regardless.

Sheep gonna baaa
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creativerealms
09/09/18 10:29:19 AM
#132:


Feminism is against what Jahova's witnesses believe. She is a bad JW. What next will she celebrate her birth day?
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MacDaMurderer
09/09/18 10:32:57 AM
#133:


So much misinformation in this topic. I suggest anyone who knows nothing about this topic to actually read into Serena Williams and Osaka before listening to the people in this topic.
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haloiscoolisbak
09/09/18 10:34:17 AM
#134:


UnfairRepresent posted...
haloiscoolisbak posted...
The funny part is that should she brought up her child as a sign she doesn't cheat. But she's okay with throwing immature tantrums?


No one is perfect.

As someone mentioned earlier I hope she'll pull a Christian Bale and apologize for her actions.

voldothegr8 posted...
The real fucked up part here was the crown booing Osaka during her award presentation, fuck those people. She was beating Serena regardless.

Sheep gonna baaa


She already had the chance in the press conference and doubled down on her sexism rant.
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gatorsPENSbucs
09/09/18 10:34:27 AM
#135:


She's so full of shit. Getting her ass beat so she resorts to acting like a child.

She got coaching. Against the rules.
She acted like a 2 year old. Against the rules.
She continued acting like a 2 year old. Against the rules.

It's funny, when you look at these Williams sisters losses, they usually involve something like this. Rules that shouldn't be rules. Bad judge. Some fake injury. It's hilarious.

Oh and who the fuck cares what goes on in men's matches. Are Nba players complaining that their 3 point line is further back than the Wnba 3 point line.
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PrettyBoyFloyd
09/09/18 10:34:43 AM
#136:


UnfairRepresent posted...
Dusk_ posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
ManBeast462 posted...
What a sore loser though, losing to an Asian must be annoying for her.

Osaka is Black as well.


She is mixed, not black.

Everyone is mixed.

Race is a social construct with no actual meaning or definition.

Hell if I know what I am aside from being white.

Scotch, Irish and Cherokee is all I've heard.
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UnfairRepresent
09/09/18 10:35:23 AM
#137:


MacDaMurderer posted...
So much misinformation in this topic.


"But I won't tell you what information that is!"
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gatorsPENSbucs
09/09/18 10:36:52 AM
#138:


Dusk_ posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
ManBeast462 posted...
What a sore loser though, losing to an Asian must be annoying for her.

Osaka is Black as well.


She is mixed, not black.

Weird, this Colin Kaepernick dude is as white as he is black but everyone says he's 100% black. Weird how mixed race opinions change based on who the person is.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/09/18 10:38:30 AM
#139:


still, Serena and Naomi can both get it.

Serena? sure! Naomi? right nao!
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Smashingpmkns
09/09/18 10:43:56 AM
#140:


She has a point. Also all of the thinly veiled racism and sexism in this topic kinda prove her point lol whatever though, shes one of the best athletes of all time. She'll bounce back.
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haloiscoolisbak
09/09/18 10:46:15 AM
#141:


Smashingpmkns posted...
She has a point. Also all of the thinly veiled racism and sexism in this topic kinda prove her point lol whatever though, shes one of the best athletes of all time. She'll bounce back.


Is it racist and sexist to call her out for her tantrum?
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Roshon
09/09/18 10:47:16 AM
#142:


Smashingpmkns posted...
She has a point. Also all of the thinly veiled racism and sexism in this topic kinda prove her point lol whatever though, shes one of the best athletes of all time. She'll bounce back.


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RickyTheBAWSE
09/09/18 10:47:48 AM
#143:


gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Dusk_ posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
ManBeast462 posted...
What a sore loser though, losing to an Asian must be annoying for her.

Osaka is Black as well.


She is mixed, not black.

Weird, this Colin Kaepernick dude is as white as he is black but everyone says he's 100% black. Weird how mixed race opinions change based on who the person is.


mixed isn't an ethnicity or nationality. Japanese is correct and Black is correct. neither are wrong and both don't need mentioning in order to be accurate.

but you're correct. "race" opinions change depending on who that person is. it's also very telling when people aren't consistent. from how they talk about Obama to Rashida Jones.

let Rashida Jones start being vocal about police brutality, and you'll see how quick she loses her White card to certain demographics. if she started that "Blue Lives" stuff, she'd have been called other things, too.
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haloiscoolisbak
09/09/18 10:48:34 AM
#144:


It seems you can separate those who actually know a bit about tennis from those who don't depending on whether or not they think the umpire was sexist and racist for making correct decisions
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MhkaCHemistry
09/09/18 10:48:38 AM
#145:


Are people still blaming the ump?

He has a history of calling code violations on top male and female players. This lists seven of his past calls, six of which were against male players and three of the male players have been world top three at some point.

http://larrybrownsports.com/tennis/umpire-carlos-ramos-history-code-violations-serena-williams/463180

Here's a reddit post with one call on Djokovic

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/9e81vm/tbf_carlos_ramos_has_done_this_with_men_too/

Maybe the first one was a little ticky tack(with the coach even admitting to violating the coaching rule in an interview because 'everyone does it' it's a lot harder to excuse though, fucking idiot) but 2 and 3 are the definition of fair, next.
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Smashingpmkns
09/09/18 10:48:45 AM
#146:


haloiscoolisbak posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
She has a point. Also all of the thinly veiled racism and sexism in this topic kinda prove her point lol whatever though, shes one of the best athletes of all time. She'll bounce back.


Is it racist and sexist to call her out for her tantrum?


Nope. But what shes saying is that men do the exact same shit and wouldn't be penalized, which is true. Women are held to a different standard in terms of etiquette in tennis. Hell, Venus and Serena are held to a different standard than anyone in tennis it seems. Not like you would know, but they've been subject to a bunch of bullshit throughout the years and this is more likely to be more bullshit than not.
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voldothegr8
09/09/18 10:49:48 AM
#147:


Smashingpmkns posted...
But what shes saying is that men do the exact same shit and wouldn't be penalized, which is true.

It is not, see the post above yours.
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FaultyGourry
09/09/18 10:50:28 AM
#148:


Smashingpmkns posted...
haloiscoolisbak posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
She has a point. Also all of the thinly veiled racism and sexism in this topic kinda prove her point lol whatever though, shes one of the best athletes of all time. She'll bounce back.


Is it racist and sexist to call her out for her tantrum?


Nope. But what shes saying is that men do the exact same shit and wouldn't be penalized, which is true. Women are held to a different standard in terms of etiquette in tennis. Hell, Venus and Serena are held to a different standard than anyone in tennis it seems. Not like you would know, but they've been subject to a bunch of bullshit throughout the years and this is more likely to be more bullshit than not.

White Eagle posted...
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Plenty of men get penalties for racquet/ball abuse.


You are absolutely pathetic.
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refmon
09/09/18 10:51:38 AM
#149:


Awesome posted...
remember when serena had a meltdown a long time ago and said shed shove the tennis ball down a line judges throat? shes a thug.

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Smashingpmkns
09/09/18 10:53:04 AM
#150:


voldothegr8 posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
But what shes saying is that men do the exact same shit and wouldn't be penalized, which is true.

It is not, see the post above yours.


Theres a difference between a warning and a game penalty.
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BeantownHero
09/09/18 10:56:13 AM
#151:


Roshon posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
She has a point. Also all of the thinly veiled racism and sexism in this topic kinda prove her point lol whatever though, shes one of the best athletes of all time. She'll bounce back.


This

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