Current Events > Why do white people not hit their kids to discipline them?

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Its basically seen as a common parenting tactic in a lot of ethnic cultures from what I understand. Do white people think these cultures are doing a fucked up thing to their kids by thinking hitting them can discipline them?
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Its abuse
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Its abuse

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Far as I know white people do it as well.
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Hitting kids messes them up.
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sondast posted...

Hitting kids messes them up.

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Do you mean spanking? Hitting is different from spanking. Plenty of white people spank their kids.
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I don't think that is true at all.

I know I probably won't hit my kids, as research and personal experience informs me that it's an ineffective teaching method, but I don't think this is a racial issue.

mohomad posted...

Far as I know white people do it as well.

Older generation do, younger generation don't, generally speaking. And I'm using the term "younger" somewhat loosely here, including even those who are mid-30s or so.

The anti-physical-punishment attitude is a very recent one that's only common among white people so far.

Although it's interesting to note, many cultures that are infamous for taking it too far these days (Samoan culture in particular comes to mind) have been noted to have had a very strong stigma against it prior to the introduction of Christianity to their culture, so there's that to consider too...

But really, constiency is the main thing. If physical punishment isn't acceptable for adult criminals who often actually wreck lives, why is it acceptable for kids who just said a naughty word or didn't tidy up their room?
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SpinKirby posted...

sondast posted...

Hitting kids messes them up.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768154/
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DarkTransient posted...

But really, constiency is the main thing. If physical punishment isn't acceptable for adult criminals who often actually wreck lives, why is it acceptable for kids who just said a naughty word or didn't tidy up their room?

While I agree with your end goal, this is a bad comparison. Adults and children should not be held to the same standards when they do not have the same mental capacity or knowledge base.

Cheese_Crackers posted...

Do you mean spanking? Hitting is different from spanking. Plenty of white people spank their kids.

"A fart by any other name would smell just as putrid." ~ William Shakespeare, modified for lulz by Dark Transient
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Dash_Harber posted...

DarkTransient posted...

But really, constiency is the main thing. If physical punishment isn't acceptable for adult criminals who often actually wreck lives, why is it acceptable for kids who just said a naughty word or didn't tidy up their room?

While I agree with your end goal, this is a bad comparison. Adults and children should not be held to the same standards when they do not have the same mental capacity or knowledge base.

When it comes to whether or not it's acceptable to use torture as a means to punish them, I think the comparison is pretty fucking fair. And no, reducing the severity / duration of it doesn't change what it is. I'm actually probably one of the few people who'd have no qualms with using it against actual proven, adult, violent criminals; but that doesn't mean I'm not going to call it what it is.
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I grew up with corporal punishment when I was younger (pretty traditional grandmother). People who say hitting their kids as a form of discipline is abuse are stupid.

The way I see it, as long as you dont put your kid in the hospital or injure them too severely its fine. It gets kids to learn.

They say hitting kids messes them up, but now the kids who weren't hit are all fucked up unable to find work and can barely get outside to ask girls out so...

Where as all the brothers who were hit by their mommas growing up are smooth as fuck and ain't afraid of anything.

I dunno man, I don't know if the benefits were worth it.

White kids hit their parents to discipline them.
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sondast posted...

SpinKirby posted...

sondast posted...

Hitting kids messes them up.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3768154/

I'll 99.99% agree that spanking is pretty much ineffective, but bad parenting is what messes kids up, whether that's abusive punishment, neglect, or terrible advice is just the spice of life.
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It's not a white thing, it's an older vs younger generation type of deal. A lot of millennials growing up (especially among minority ethnic groups) probably got hit by their parents, as a kid. There have been studies showing that hitting kids isn't an effective discipline method.
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DarkTransient posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

DarkTransient posted...

But really, constiency is the main thing. If physical punishment isn't acceptable for adult criminals who often actually wreck lives, why is it acceptable for kids who just said a naughty word or didn't tidy up their room?

While I agree with your end goal, this is a bad comparison. Adults and children should not be held to the same standards when they do not have the same mental capacity or knowledge base.

When it comes to whether or not it's acceptable to use torture as a means to punish them, I think the comparison is pretty fucking fair.

Torture shouldn't be used on anyone because it's a violation of human rights and it's proven to be not very effective, anyway. That being said, defining corporal punishment as torture is a more controversial subject.

Again, though, I actually share your view and I'm only saying that we should be making stronger arguments that don't rely association fallacies.

I say this with all sincerity

What is an effective discipline method?
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Its rich people who dont hit their kids.
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iirc studies have shown that hitting your kids causes long term harm and only immediately apparent benefit to behavior

AlecSkorpio posted...

I say this with all sincerity

What is an effective discipline method?

The advice I've usually come across is "make sure they understand why what they did is wrong, but if a punishment is needed in addition to that, make it completely disproportionate so the cost of the punishment greatly outweighs the benefit of the naughty act". Kids might not have the same level of mental capacity as adults, but they can still understand to a very good extent the cost/benefit tradeoff concept. If hitting their brother gets them 5 minutes in time out, it might be worth it; if it means they lose all their favorite toys for a month, it probably won't be.
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iPhone_7 posted...

Its rich people who dont hit their kids.

I'll debunk that for you.
Wrong.
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I think people who 'discipline' by hitting their kids are too ignorant to teach them any other way.

You're spinning white people not spanking their kids into cultural insensitivity?
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The reason we're plagued with self hating SJW trash this generation is because these vocal hipster doofuses didn't get spanked growing up
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PhazonReborn posted...

The reason we're plagued with self hating SJW trash this generation is because these vocal hipster doofuses didn't get spanked growing up

"The reason that this generation is fucked up is because this generation didn't discipline this generation when this generation was raising itself!"

Okay grandpa, let's put you down for a nap.

@X-Pac_Heat posted...

They say hitting kids messes them up, but now the kids who weren't hit are all fucked up unable to find work and can barely get outside to ask girls out so...

Where as all the brothers who were hit by their mommas growing up are smooth as fuck and ain't afraid of anything.

I dunno man, I don't know if the benefits were worth it.

Any proof of this or are you just pulling shit from your ass?
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Lonestar2000 posted...

Any proof of this or are you just pulling shit from your ass?

I mean, the fact that suddenly everyone has an anxiety order now is a pretty clear sign that something is fucking them up.

Now I'm not saying it's cause they weren't hit, but I am gonna say that it wasn't cause they were hit so I gotta wonder WTF parents are doing now that's causing everyone to act so fucked up.

Lonestar2000 posted...

@X-Pac_Heat posted...

They say hitting kids messes them up, but now the kids who weren't hit are all fucked up unable to find work and can barely get outside to ask girls out so...

Where as all the brothers who were hit by their mommas growing up are smooth as fuck and ain't afraid of anything.

I dunno man, I don't know if the benefits were worth it.

Any proof of this or are you just pulling shit from your ass?

To be fair, we didnt have demographic of people under a new category called incels until recently. And from what I understand, the overwhelming majority of self identified incel are white
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if you get to the point where you have to hit your kids then u did something wrong along the way
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Dash_Harber posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

The reason we're plagued with self hating SJW trash this generation is because these vocal hipster doofuses didn't get spanked growing up

"The reason that this generation is fucked up is because this generation didn't discipline this generation when this generation was raising itself!"

Okay grandpa, let's put you down for a nap.

You need a spankin
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I think the problem is a lot less "Parents didn't hit their kids" and more "Parents didn't discipline their kids at all." tbqh
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX5MHNvjw7o" data-time="&start=0

Skip to 2:52
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AlecSkorpio posted...

I think the problem is a lot less "Parents didn't hit their kids" and more "Parents didn't discipline their kids at all." tbqh

A little of column A, a little of column B
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Just violence your problems away. That always go well.
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spanking is fine imo

however i've been physically abused as a child, and shit will fuck you up permanently
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There is a difference between spanking and hitting, and spanking can be used to correct or deter bad behavior.
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PhazonReborn posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

The reason we're plagued with self hating SJW trash this generation is because these vocal hipster doofuses didn't get spanked growing up

"The reason that this generation is fucked up is because this generation didn't discipline this generation when this generation was raising itself!"

Okay grandpa, let's put you down for a nap.

You need a spankin

Hahaha, okay, you made me laugh.

Spanking was common in my family and we are white. We've all been quite successful with our jobs. I've been a supervisor for a couple years at an actual job and at least 5 years as a staff member on a major website.
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A few spanks isn't going to traumatize a child. It's okay as a discipline method imo.
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This is a weird way to insult white people.
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smoke_break posted...

A few spanks isn't going to traumatize a child. It's okay as a discipline method imo.

I've seen some studies that show that it might actually be beneficial.

And, just from my own personal experience it worked. When I was 5 years old, I still had a problem with wetting the bed. I started receiving spankings as punishment for it and within a few months I stopped completely and never had a problem with it again. I'd much rather have been spanked as young child to correct the behavior than to have it persist indefinitely. If I still had the problem as teenager or adult, I would have felt much, much worse about that than about being spanked as a young child.
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