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Antifar
08/29/18 7:00:39 PM
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https://wapo.st/2wp5pb5
His official American birth certificate shows he was delivered by a midwife in Brownsville, at the southern tip of Texas. He spent his life wearing American uniforms: three years as a private in the Army, then as a cadet in the Border Patrol and now as a state prison guard.

But when Juan, 40, applied to renew his U.S. passport this year, the governments response floored him. In a letter, the State Department said it didnt believe he was an American citizen.

As he would later learn, Juan is one of a growing number of people whose official birth records show they were born in the United States but who are now being denied passports their citizenship suddenly thrown into question. The Trump administration is accusing hundreds, and possibly thousands, of Hispanics along the border of using fraudulent birth certificates since they were babies, and it is undertaking a widespread crackdown on their citizenship.

In a statement, the State Department said that it has not changed policy or practice regarding the adjudication of passport applications, adding that the U.S.-Mexico border region happens to be an area of the country where there has been a significant incidence of citizenship fraud.

But cases identified by The Washington Post and interviews with immigration attorneys suggest a dramatic shift in both passport issuance and immigration enforcement.

In some cases, passport applicants with official U.S. birth certificates are being jailed in immigration detention centers and entered into deportation proceedings. In others, they are stuck in Mexico, their passports suddenly revoked when they tried to reenter the United States. As the Trump administration attempts to reduce both legal and illegal immigration, the governments treatment of passport applicants in South Texas shows how U.S. citizens are increasingly being swept up by immigration enforcement agencies.

Juan said he was infuriated by the governments response. I served my country. I fought for my country, he said, speaking on the condition that his last name not be used so that he wouldnt be targeted by immigration enforcement.

The government alleges that from the 1950s through the 1990s, some midwives and physicians along the Texas-Mexico border provided U.S. birth certificates to babies who were actually born in Mexico. In a series of federal court cases in the 1990s, several birth attendants admitted to providing fraudulent documents.

Based on those suspicions, the State Department during George W. Bush and Barack Obamas administrations denied passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texass Rio Grande Valley. The use of midwives is a long-standing tradition in the region, in part because of the cost of hospital care.

The same midwives who provided fraudulent birth certificates also delivered thousands of babies legally in the United States. It has proved nearly impossible to distinguish between legitimate and illegitimate documents, all of them officially issued by the state of Texas decades ago.

A 2009 government settlement in a case litigated by the American Civil Liberties Union seemed like it had mostly put an end to the passport denials. Attorneys reported that the number of denials declined during the rest of the Obama administration, and the government settled promptly when people filed complaints after being denied passports.

But under President Trump, the passport denials and revocations appear to be surging, becoming part of a broader interrogation into the citizenship of people who have lived, voted and worked in the United States for their entire lives.

Were seeing these kind of cases skyrocketing, said Jennifer Correro, an attorney in Houston who is defending dozens of people who have been denied passports.

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Blue_Dream87
08/29/18 7:04:01 PM
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Blue_Inigo
08/29/18 7:05:26 PM
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Literally racial profiling
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Kazi1212
08/29/18 7:05:45 PM
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Based on those suspicions, the State Department during George W. Bush and Barack Obamas administrations denied passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texass Rio Grande Valley. The use of midwives is a long-standing tradition in the region, in part because of the cost of hospital care.


Oh so this going on before the Trump administration?
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Antifar
08/29/18 7:07:11 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...

Based on those suspicions, the State Department during George W. Bush and Barack Obamas administrations denied passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texass Rio Grande Valley. The use of midwives is a long-standing tradition in the region, in part because of the cost of hospital care.


Oh so this going on before the Trump administration?

Yes, but the Trump administration has escalated its use after a dwindling of such cases during the previous administration:

A 2009 government settlement in a case litigated by the American Civil Liberties Union seemed like it had mostly put an end to the passport denials. Attorneys reported that the number of denials declined during the rest of the Obama administration, and the government settled promptly when people filed complaints after being denied passports.

But under President Trump, the passport denials and revocations appear to be surging, becoming part of a broader interrogation into the citizenship of people who have lived, voted and worked in the United States for their entire lives.

Were seeing these kind of cases skyrocketing, said Jennifer Correro, an attorney in Houston who is defending dozens of people who have been denied passports.

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Kazi1212
08/29/18 7:09:46 PM
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Im sure thats probably correct, but I would like to see hard numbers that substantiates their claims its surging compared to previous years.
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alt_no_1_loves
08/29/18 7:10:10 PM
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I know this will sound dramatic, but right out of the fascist playbook.
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Fin_Dawg_004
08/29/18 7:10:23 PM
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Antifar posted...
Yes, but they have escalated its use after a dwindling of such cases during the previous administration:

they won't let facts get in the way of their deflections. This is absurd. So is the government's stance on these cases essentially "nope, i don't believe you"?
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DavidWong
08/29/18 7:14:01 PM
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So the dude, even if he was born in Mexico, spends his life serving the US in the army and now the state as a prison guard, and they still want to kick him out?

Thought you guys loved your military people more than anyone.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/29/18 10:03:29 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...

Based on those suspicions, the State Department during George W. Bush and Barack Obama?s administrations denied passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texas?s Rio Grande Valley. The use of midwives is a long-standing tradition in the region, in part because of the cost of hospital care.


Oh so this going on before the Trump administration?


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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/29/18 10:04:21 PM
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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...
Antifar posted...
Yes, but they have escalated its use after a dwindling of such cases during the previous administration:

they won't let facts get in the way of their deflections. This is absurd. So is the government's stance on these cases essentially "nope, i don't believe you"?


That is trump's position, yes.
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Guerrilla Soldier
08/29/18 10:06:05 PM
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'so this was going on during other presidents' terms?'

'looloolll you said obama!! eeeyyyyyyyyyy woooooooo *jingle jingle*'
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LordFarquad1312
08/29/18 10:07:00 PM
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DavidWong posted...
So the dude, even if he was born in Mexico, spends his life serving the US in the army and now the state as a prison guard, and they still want to kick him out?

Thought you guys loved your military people more than anyone.

He was born in Texas.
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DrizztLink
08/29/18 10:07:49 PM
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...
'so this was going on during other presidents' terms?'

'looloolll you said obama!! eeeyyyyyyyyyy woooooooo *jingle jingle*'

Dwindling and now resurging, but don't let facts interrupt your victim complex.
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Metro2
08/29/18 10:08:17 PM
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They're doing this gradually: first they claim citizenship fraud, then they go after actual US citizens, plus denying passports to transgender people.

Disgraceful behavior from Trump's cronies.
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Broken_Zeus
08/29/18 10:08:32 PM
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Antifar posted...
His official American birth certificate shows he was delivered by a midwife in Brownsville, at the southern tip of Texas.


Already suspect. Had he been born in a hospital, you'd had much more reliable documentation.
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08/29/18 10:16:17 PM
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Is it time for revolution yet? Yall call when your ready. I'm down.
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Metro2
08/29/18 10:17:38 PM
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Trump came after undocumented immigrants.
Trump came after DACA recipients.
Trump came after babies at the border.
And now he is coming for AMERICAN citizens that are Latinx.

Who knows who he'll attack next.
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Antifar
08/29/18 10:18:56 PM
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Metro2 posted...
Trump came after undocumented immigrants.
Trump came after DACA recipients.
Trump came after babies at the border.
And now he is coming for AMERICAN citizens that are Latinx.

Who knows who he'll attack next.

Probably just more hispanic people, idk
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E32005
08/29/18 10:23:48 PM
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whataboutism by the right

color me shocked
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Pitlord_Special
08/29/18 10:24:21 PM
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Trump and the Rs are so gross

November going to be the first time Ive voted straight ticket
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Antifar
08/29/18 10:24:58 PM
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Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.
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Kazi1212
08/29/18 10:30:00 PM
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Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, Im just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesnt address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. Theres a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.
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P4wn4g3
08/29/18 10:39:19 PM
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As a New Mexican, I'm very curious how things will shake down next year when I have to get my "real ID" . The difference with the real ID is it has a fun little star on it that dipshit republicans can understand. Anyway I'm white, but the whole state is having to do this (it's been a process for a while thanks to Bush and Obama) and now that we have racist as fuck Trump in charge I have a feeling it isn't going to go well.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/29/18 10:43:41 PM
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...
'so this was going on during other presidents' terms?'

'looloolll you said obama!! eeeyyyyyyyyyy woooooooo *jingle jingle*'


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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/29/18 10:46:59 PM
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Kazi1212 posted...
Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, I?m just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesn?t address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. There?s a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.


I'd say it's roughly 20% on previous administrations combined and 80% on trump admin.
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Metro2
08/29/18 10:53:37 PM
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Remember when the government deported hundreds of thousands of US citizens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

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Axiom
08/29/18 10:57:05 PM
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Not even the first time someone involved in the military has been fucked over by Trump's immigration policies
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 12:17:51 AM
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Antifar posted...
Metro2 posted...
Trump came after undocumented immigrants.
Trump came after DACA recipients.
Trump came after babies at the border.
And now he is coming for AMERICAN citizens that are Latinx.

Who knows who he'll attack next.

Probably just more hispanic people, idk


he'll probably denaturalize dead people in order to go after living people. "your grand grand grandmother was born in texas, thus making your entire bloodline illegal. Now excuse me while I bash your skull with this pipe and dump you in the mexico desert"
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 12:19:20 AM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, I?m just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesn?t address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. There?s a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.


I'd say it's roughly 20% on previous administrations combined and 80% on trump admin.


@Kazi1212 just man up and tell us you like this, it's really obvious
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Kazi1212
08/30/18 12:36:02 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, I?m just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesn?t address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. There?s a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.


I'd say it's roughly 20% on previous administrations combined and 80% on trump admin.


@Kazi1212 just man up and tell us you like this, it's really obvious


Huh, like what, the breakdown he gave?
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 12:40:48 AM
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Kazi1212 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, I?m just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesn?t address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. There?s a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.


I'd say it's roughly 20% on previous administrations combined and 80% on trump admin.


@Kazi1212 just man up and tell us you like this, it's really obvious


Huh, like what, the breakdown he gave?


no, that you like that these american citizens are being now left stateless because they're *gasp* hispanic and therefore, undesirable to racists
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Kazi1212
08/30/18 12:45:13 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, I?m just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesn?t address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. There?s a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.


I'd say it's roughly 20% on previous administrations combined and 80% on trump admin.


@Kazi1212 just man up and tell us you like this, it's really obvious


Huh, like what, the breakdown he gave?


no, that you like that these american citizens are being now left stateless because they're *gasp* hispanic and therefore, undesirable to racists


Nope, Im pretty sure I wouldnt have called this a travesty or said our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile had I actually liked what was going on. What youre saying just doesnt logically add up based on what I said prior.
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Bio1590
08/30/18 12:50:41 AM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
As a New Mexican, I'm very curious how things will shake down next year when I have to get my "real ID" . The difference with the real ID is it has a fun little star on it that dipshit republicans can understand. Anyway I'm white, but the whole state is having to do this (it's been a process for a while thanks to Bush and Obama) and now that we have racist as fuck Trump in charge I have a feeling it isn't going to go well.

Why the fuck would they use a gold star
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DrizztLink
08/30/18 12:54:51 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, I?m just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesn?t address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. There?s a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.


I'd say it's roughly 20% on previous administrations combined and 80% on trump admin.


@Kazi1212 just man up and tell us you like this, it's really obvious


Huh, like what, the breakdown he gave?


no, that you like that these american citizens are being now left stateless because they're *gasp* hispanic and therefore, undesirable to racists


He's a gimmick.
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 12:55:41 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Kazi1212 posted...
Antifar posted...
Also, I mean, I have no qualms about saying that Obama's policy regarding immigration was often very fucking bad.


Sure, I?m just insinuating that pinning this whole travesty on Trump is unfair and frankly doesn?t address the heart of the matter that our immigration laws have been fucked up for awhile on the systemic level. There?s a lot more to the perpetuation of these policies than the Trump administration.


I'd say it's roughly 20% on previous administrations combined and 80% on trump admin.


@Kazi1212 just man up and tell us you like this, it's really obvious


Huh, like what, the breakdown he gave?


no, that you like that these american citizens are being now left stateless because they're *gasp* hispanic and therefore, undesirable to racists


He's a gimmick.


kazi is? Thanks for the heads up
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SauI_Goodman
08/30/18 12:56:32 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
As a New Mexican, I'm very curious how things will shake down next year when I have to get my "real ID" . The difference with the real ID is it has a fun little star on it that dipshit republicans can understand. Anyway I'm white, but the whole state is having to do this (it's been a process for a while thanks to Bush and Obama) and now that we have racist as fuck Trump in charge I have a feeling it isn't going to go well.

Why the fuck would they use a gold star


We have that in Nevada as well. Starting in 2020 you won't be allowed on an airplane unless you have a real ID.
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 12:59:08 AM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Bio1590 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
As a New Mexican, I'm very curious how things will shake down next year when I have to get my "real ID" . The difference with the real ID is it has a fun little star on it that dipshit republicans can understand. Anyway I'm white, but the whole state is having to do this (it's been a process for a while thanks to Bush and Obama) and now that we have racist as fuck Trump in charge I have a feeling it isn't going to go well.

Why the fuck would they use a gold star


We have that in Nevada as well. Starting in 2020 you won't be allowed on an airplane unless you have a real ID.


why would any hispanics try to get a REAL ID now? they risk getting the shit beat out of them in some detention center
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sktgamer_13dude
08/30/18 1:02:27 AM
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Real ID is a federal standard that was passed under the Bush administration.

Multiple states have basically protested it and it has been continuously delayed.
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Bio1590
08/30/18 1:30:36 AM
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It's more just the implication of the gold star >_> like pick a better logo for your ID fuck
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Paper_Okami
08/30/18 1:36:32 AM
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fucking hell
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 1:37:06 AM
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meanwhile they're giving away free citizenship for russians:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/11/russians-paying-big-money-to-have-their-babies-born-in-us.html
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KStateKing17
08/30/18 1:48:57 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
meanwhile they're giving away free citizenship for russians:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/11/russians-paying-big-money-to-have-their-babies-born-in-us.html

Didn't a couple of their boys bomb a marathon a few years ago?
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 9:29:35 AM
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KStateKing17 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
meanwhile they're giving away free citizenship for russians:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/11/russians-paying-big-money-to-have-their-babies-born-in-us.html

Didn't a couple of their boys bomb a marathon a few years ago?


Yeah, but their skin is white, so it's all good under 45's eyes :/
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 11:00:24 AM
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I wonder who they're going to go after first?

1) Illegals - done
2) Hispanic Green card holders - done
3) Hispanic naturalized citizens done
4) Hispanic US Born Citizens born via midwives - done

What could be next? Hispanics born at certain hospitals? Maybe they'll "lose" their birth certificates?
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E32005
08/30/18 11:01:27 AM
#47:


BJ-blazkowics posted...
KStateKing17 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
meanwhile they're giving away free citizenship for russians:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/11/russians-paying-big-money-to-have-their-babies-born-in-us.html

Didn't a couple of their boys bomb a marathon a few years ago?


Yeah, but their skin is white, so it's all good under 45's eyes :/

But @Caution999 said!
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P4wn4g3
08/30/18 11:11:11 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
I wonder who they're going to go after first?

1) Illegals - done
2) Hispanic Green card holders - done
3) Hispanic naturalized citizens done
4) Hispanic US Born Citizens born via midwives - done

What could be next? Hispanics born at certain hospitals? Maybe they'll "lose" their birth certificates?

The goal is anyone who would dare vote Democrat and seems like they could have been foreign somewhere in their lineage is to be imprisoned, tortured, or exiled. I have no idea why Obama was supporting this, I have to say he did no favors to this country as far as reversing shit like this.
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BJ-blazkowics
08/30/18 11:16:27 AM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
I wonder who they're going to go after first?

1) Illegals - done
2) Hispanic Green card holders - done
3) Hispanic naturalized citizens done
4) Hispanic US Born Citizens born via midwives - done

What could be next? Hispanics born at certain hospitals? Maybe they'll "lose" their birth certificates?

The goal is anyone who would dare vote Democrat and seems like they could have been foreign somewhere in their lineage is to be imprisoned, tortured, or exiled. I have no idea why Obama was supporting this, I have to say he did no favors to this country as far as reversing shit like this.


I am not so sure it's about even how they vote. Many of those texas hispanics vote gop and even join the border patrol (apparently this juan guy did too) and take immense pleasure or being mean to illegals...
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gatorsPENSbucs
08/30/18 11:30:01 AM
#50:


Kazi1212 posted...

Based on those suspicions, the State Department during George W. Bush and Barack Obamas administrations denied passports to people who were delivered by midwives in Texass Rio Grande Valley. The use of midwives is a long-standing tradition in the region, in part because of the cost of hospital care.


Oh so this going on before the Trump administration?

Of course it has. But people hate Trump so they bring up old stuff and blame him.
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P4wn4g3
08/30/18 11:38:39 AM
#51:


BJ-blazkowics posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
I wonder who they're going to go after first?

1) Illegals - done
2) Hispanic Green card holders - done
3) Hispanic naturalized citizens done
4) Hispanic US Born Citizens born via midwives - done

What could be next? Hispanics born at certain hospitals? Maybe they'll "lose" their birth certificates?

The goal is anyone who would dare vote Democrat and seems like they could have been foreign somewhere in their lineage is to be imprisoned, tortured, or exiled. I have no idea why Obama was supporting this, I have to say he did no favors to this country as far as reversing shit like this.


I am not so sure it's about even how they vote. Many of those texas hispanics vote gop and even join the border patrol (apparently this juan guy did too) and take immense pleasure or being mean to illegals...

A lot of Hispanics join border patrol, most agents I've seen are Hispanic and they seem to be the biggest assholes too. I'm not really sure what that's about, maybe their racist attitudes aren't accepted anywhere else.
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