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Stewman_Magoo
08/28/18 2:46:42 PM
#51:


shockthemonkey posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...

He also publically called the people liars until he confessed...

Did he? I must have missed that part. Thats a bad fucking take on his part.

@CruelBuffalo do you have a source?


All I could find were statements that he denied them and called the rumors. Nothing about calling the women liars.

Agnostic420 posted...
Chris Hardwick came back, fuck it.


...and what did he end up doing wrong?
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CruelBuffalo
08/28/18 2:50:20 PM
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CyricZ
08/28/18 2:52:04 PM
#53:


CruelBuffalo posted...
Saying it's not true and just rumors is not calling them a liar? Lol?

https://m.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Marc-Maron-Calls-Louis-CK-a-Liar-After-Disgraced-12353081.php

Eh, kind of a catch-22. Any kind of denial is calling the accuser a liar, essentially.

I'm pretty sure they were looking for such a quote verbatim, because CE.
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s0nicfan
08/28/18 2:54:11 PM
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CyricZ posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Saying it's not true and just rumors is not calling them a liar? Lol?

https://m.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Marc-Maron-Calls-Louis-CK-a-Liar-After-Disgraced-12353081.php

Eh, kind of a catch-22. Any kind of denial is calling the accuser a liar, essentially.

I'm pretty sure they were looking for such a quote verbatim, because CE.


Sadly, I knew what most people knew: There was a story out there, I guess going back several years, there were unnamed people in the story, it took place in a hotel room in Aspen, Maron said on the podcast. It was always out there, but then it would pick up momentum at different times. And I would ask him about it. I would say, This story about you forcing these women to watch you jerk off, what is that, is that true?'

He goes, No, its not true. Its not real. Its a rumor, Maron said of C.K.s response. And I would say, Well, are you going to address it somehow? Handle it? Get out from under it whenever it shows up? No I cant, I cant do that. I cant give it life, give it air. That was the conversation.


So what he said wasn't true was the rumors that he forced women to watch, because as we found out later he asked every single one of them for permission first.
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The Great Muta 22
08/28/18 2:55:03 PM
#55:


CyricZ posted...
I'm pretty sure they were looking for such a quote verbatim, because CE.


That's exactly what is happening here. So many chuds online, and especially on here, are completely disingenuous that when they are wrong they cling to the "ACKSHULLY" defense just to feel like they've won something. It's so fucking stupid.
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pogo_rabid
08/28/18 2:57:01 PM
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How I see it, if Chris Brown can come back from beating the shit out of Rihanna, Louie can come back from something like this which isn't even in the same ballpark.

The vast majority of the comedy community has been saying this whole thing has been overblown from the getgo.
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Zikten
08/28/18 2:59:39 PM
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Good. He's maybe the funniest stand up guy around. Twitter can go to hell
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CyricZ
08/28/18 3:04:31 PM
#58:


pogo_rabid posted...
How I see it, if Chris Brown can come back from beating the shit out of Rihanna, Louie can come back from something like this which isn't even in the same ballpark.

I wasn't aware we established Chris Brown as the baseline.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/28/18 3:07:23 PM
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CyricZ posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
How I see it, if Chris Brown can come back from beating the shit out of Rihanna, Louie can come back from something like this which isn't even in the same ballpark.

I wasn't aware we established Chris Brown as the baseline.


It's not a baseline, it's an extreme example to set an upper bound.
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SwayM
08/28/18 3:08:35 PM
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It astounded me how people had no ability to compartmentalize the degrees of assault during that whole thing.

Everyone was just lumped in together and treated the same way. Makes it easier to witch hunt I guess.

Total shit show all around.
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CyricZ
08/28/18 3:10:58 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CyricZ posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
How I see it, if Chris Brown can come back from beating the shit out of Rihanna, Louie can come back from something like this which isn't even in the same ballpark.

I wasn't aware we established Chris Brown as the baseline.


It's not a baseline, it's an extreme example to set an upper bound.

Semantically relative, but sure.

We now have a new upper bound below which one can come back.

"Chris Brown did thing"
"Chris Brown came back"
"Anyone who did thing not as bad as Chris Brown can come back"
"Upper bound established, below which one can come back"

My point is that Chris Brown should not be the upper bound.
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s0nicfan
08/28/18 3:12:53 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
CyricZ posted...
pogo_rabid posted...
How I see it, if Chris Brown can come back from beating the shit out of Rihanna, Louie can come back from something like this which isn't even in the same ballpark.

I wasn't aware we established Chris Brown as the baseline.


It's not a baseline, it's an extreme example to set an upper bound.

Semantically relative, but sure.

We now have a new upper bound below which one can come back.

"Chris Brown did thing"
"Chris Brown came back"
"Anyone who did thing not as bad as Chris Brown can come back"
"Upper bound established, below which one can come back"

My point is that Chris Brown should not be the upper bound.


Do you think Louis CK is above or below your upper bound? Are we capping coming back at "asked permission but happens to be successful?"
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s0nicfan
08/28/18 3:16:59 PM
#64:


shockthemonkey posted...
He didnt go out and actively try to harm any of his accusers for making accusations at least? Im trying to get a scope on what the damage was.


No damage. He denied having forced anyone to do anything, and then eventually admit the stories were true but he had asked permission first. He didn't bad-mouth a single one of them, nor did he try to damage their careers before, during, or after the incident. He hasn't tried to sue, or worked them into his routine. Nothing. No damage.

The guy jerked off in front of some women after asking them permission, and for that crime he's lost tens of millions of dollars (based on a Forbes estimate from last year). Let's also not forget that he has kids, not that I'm sure most people care about that when they're demanding he never make a dollar again.
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K181
08/28/18 3:21:55 PM
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Good. He literally had the least offensive sexual scandal of the me too era (other than that stupid bad date one that got thrown at Aziz Ansari) and went out of his way to be public about it, apologizing, fessing up, and even making it more prominent than it would've otherwise been. He's literally the prime example of a person that should be highlighted as someone that took women's opinions for granted, realized how fucked up that was, and took steps to apologize and make amends. If you think he should be on the hook for that forever, you're essentially saying that there's no pathway for making things right and turning a corner and suggesting that therefore denying and keeping stuff hidden is the de facto course of option for deviants and actual abusers.
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pogo_rabid
08/28/18 3:23:41 PM
#66:


As Dave Chappell put it, if seeing Louis freckled dick ruined your dreams, That is a brittle spirit.

EDIT: Oh god... I just was reading some of the twitter comments. People never cease to amaze.
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mybbqrules
08/28/18 3:25:11 PM
#67:


Frostshock posted...
The longer he suspends performances, the more credence he gives to those ridiculous accusations.

He should have been performing months ago.


You mean the ridiculous accusations that have been confirmed by multiple people, including friends of his in comedy?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
08/28/18 3:55:04 PM
#68:


Stewman_Magoo posted...
Twitter is a dumpster fire


Agreed.
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voldothegr8
08/28/18 4:24:43 PM
#69:


Agnostic420 posted...
Chris Hardwick came back, fuck it.

His accuser turned out to be a lying lunatic
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pogo_rabid
08/28/18 4:28:28 PM
#70:


voldothegr8 posted...
Agnostic420 posted...
Chris Hardwick came back, fuck it.

His accuser turned out to be a lying lunatic

That doesn't matter to these maniacs on twitter. You saw the outrage of him coming back even after she was proven to be crazy.

They want blood, doesn't matter the circumstance.
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Rimmer_Dall
08/28/18 4:37:24 PM
#71:


CyricZ posted...

I detect a slight lack of awareness of the situation here.

He asked for consent. He received it. The end.
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nemu
08/28/18 4:41:06 PM
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Did we ever get an idea how quickly he was whipping it out? Like, if he gave them like a two second window, yeah, that's pushing it. But if he waited for full and actual consent, it's all on them. I do not care about this position of power bullshit unless they are actively using that position to force something upon someone. If someone is scared they cannot say no because of some made up boogieman, then it's on them.
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s0nicfan
08/28/18 4:45:41 PM
#73:


nemu posted...
Did we ever get an idea how quickly he was whipping it out? Like, if he gave them like a two second window, yeah, that's pushing it. But if he waited for full and actual consent, it's all on them. I do not care about this position of power bullshit unless they are actively using that position to force something upon someone. If someone is scared the cannot say no because of some made up boogieman, then it's on them.


According to the stories, he waited for full and actual consent. The only variable here is at least one of the women when the scandal blew up said she "thought he was kidding" when she said yes.
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andel
08/28/18 4:55:49 PM
#74:


this situation was way overblown from the start. he asked for consent and got it making it a total non issue. the types of people on twitter that freak out about this are all losers anyway and their opinion is irrelevant
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pogo_rabid
08/28/18 4:58:08 PM
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It's not like they buy tickets anyway.
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Stewman_Magoo
08/28/18 5:01:38 PM
#76:


True enough. Ultimately the audiences will decide if they are willing to listen to him or not.

Personally, I always thought Chewed Up was the last of his best material. Everything he's released since has been ok but not fantastic.
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pogo_rabid
08/28/18 5:05:38 PM
#77:


Stewman_Magoo posted...
True enough. Ultimately the audiences will decide if they are willing to listen to him or not.

Personally, I always thought Chewed Up was the last of his best material. Everything he's released since has been ok but not fantastic.

I think that has a lot to do with him being split between his standup and side projects. Too little butter spread over too much bread.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/28/18 5:59:36 PM
#78:


Remember when the entire black community let R Kelly off the hook for pissing on a 14y/o on tape, marrying a 15/yo, owning sex slaves in a sex cult . . . it's almost like the MeToo movement has a huge glaring blind spot . . .
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FrisbeeDude
08/28/18 6:12:48 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Remember when the entire black community let R Kelly off the hook for pissing on a 14y/o on tape, marrying a 15/yo, owning sex slaves in a sex cult . . . it's almost like the MeToo movement has a huge glaring blind spot . . .


When non black people tell on themselves like this...just lol
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Knowledge_King
08/28/18 6:12:58 PM
#81:


FrisbeeDude posted...
"This man with considerable influence in the industry you work in asked to perform in action in front of you that the overwhelming majority of the world would find uncomfortable and offensive, but you can totally say no!"


I mean...yeah you can say no.
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MrNintendo1213
08/28/18 6:14:17 PM
#82:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Remember when the entire black community let R Kelly off the hook for pissing on a 14y/o on tape, marrying a 15/yo, owning sex slaves in a sex cult . . . it's almost like the MeToo movement has a huge glaring blind spot . . .


Its almost like that happened a long time ago...

Almost like you're just coming up with any excuse to post racist shit....
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/28/18 6:20:53 PM
#83:


MrNintendo1213 posted...

Its almost like that happened a long time ago...


Sex cult shit was in 2017 and 2018.
Also, "it's cool to fuck kids at long as it happened a while ago." isn't an acceptable position.

It was shitty of Roy Moore, it's shitty of R Kelly.
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UnfairRepresent
08/28/18 6:22:37 PM
#84:


I remember when Conservatives got at him for saying he jerked off during 9/11.

Now liberals are mad at him for jerking off and conservatives are defending him.

I can't keep up
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Stewman_Magoo
08/28/18 6:25:42 PM
#85:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Also, "it's cool to fuck kids at long as it happened a while ago." isn't an acceptable position.



It seemed to work for Asia Argento...
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candyapplered
08/28/18 6:31:47 PM
#86:


Welcome back Louis! The losers pretending to be outraged and offended can fuck off.
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FrisbeeDude
08/28/18 6:35:47 PM
#87:


Knowledge_King posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
"This man with considerable influence in the industry you work in asked to perform in action in front of you that the overwhelming majority of the world would find uncomfortable and offensive, but you can totally say no!"


I mean...yeah you can say no.


Yeah...and have your career, your dream, end on the spot. You think men in that position risk it, without having contingency plans in place? His manager even admits to intimidation. Fuck outta here
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EnterTheTekken
08/28/18 6:40:47 PM
#88:


Can Aziz come back now?
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masticatingman
08/28/18 6:44:15 PM
#89:


Hell sell enough tickets to justify performing again, easily. If not hes basically refusing money. He might not sell out massive theaters as much but so what. If you get angry about it, youre confusing some type of morality with plain Jane economics.
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FrisbeeDude
08/28/18 6:44:31 PM
#90:


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-kiss-south-korea-filipina-woman-says-enjoyed-it/

"She could've just said no!"
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Stewman_Magoo
08/28/18 7:09:06 PM
#91:


FrisbeeDude posted...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-kiss-south-korea-filipina-woman-says-enjoyed-it/

"She could've just said no!"


Because this is the same scenario...

Literally comparing apples to a dictator
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/28/18 7:39:07 PM
#92:


FrisbeeDude posted...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-kiss-south-korea-filipina-woman-says-enjoyed-it/

"She could've just said no!"


Murderous political despots . . . comedians . . . same diff.
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MarqueeSeries
08/28/18 7:50:14 PM
#93:


I thought eternal damnation for your sins was a right wing Christian thing
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NOM
08/28/18 7:52:38 PM
#94:


So what if he waggled his dick in front of a couple of women after asking permission?

Such a non-story but the clown babies of today cant help but get offended over everything and try to ruin someones career over it.
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Kastrada
08/28/18 7:57:56 PM
#95:


Did he open his set asking the crowd if he could masterbate in front of them?

If not, he's dead to me.
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Stewman_Magoo
08/28/18 8:00:26 PM
#96:


Kastrada posted...
Did he open his set asking the crowd if he could masterbate in front of them?

If not, he's dead to me.


Lol that would've been hilarious
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s0nicfan
08/28/18 8:06:06 PM
#97:


Kastrada posted...
Did he open his set asking the crowd if he could masterbate in front of them?

If not, he's dead to me.


I always imagined those would be his first words in his return special. "So... you guys mind if I whip my dick out real quick?"

I mean... he's not stupid so he'd never do that, but that's the kind of career suicide that goes down in history.
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Kastrada
08/28/18 8:08:16 PM
#98:


Stewman_Magoo posted...
Kastrada posted...
Did he open his set asking the crowd if he could masterbate in front of them?

If not, he's dead to me.


Lol that would've been hilarious


I won't take credit for it, I saw it somewhere else.

But as a feminist and supporter of MeToo, I find the Louis CK thing a bit complicated and a bit hypocritical.

He asked permission and only did it with consent right? So people are kink shaming him for it.

I get the whole "But he is a powerful figure!" but....he never wielded it. It just puts this narrative out there that we can't consent that rubs me the wrong way.

I don't know.....it's an issue that needs more dialogue rather than demonization. Same with Aziz.
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FrisbeeDude
08/28/18 8:15:50 PM
#99:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rodrigo-duterte-philippines-kiss-south-korea-filipina-woman-says-enjoyed-it/

"She could've just said no!"


Murderous political despots . . . comedians . . . same diff.


At least Duerte did his dirt in public. Also, you're failing to grasp the point.
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Syntheticon
08/28/18 8:38:41 PM
#100:


After hearing his act, I honestly don't know how anyone was surprised by this behavior-he all but admitted it on stage for years lol
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