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Cotton_Eye_Joe
08/26/18 3:32:35 PM
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I think it might have the record for the most cutaways (cutscenes involving none of the playable characters) in the series or even the genre.

That's just bad storytelling in a video game.
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Reis
08/26/18 3:33:30 PM
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no one does this
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
08/26/18 6:43:48 PM
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They don't?

Most people just LOL at it cause it's basically a long retelling of Star Wars in a FF setting.
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MC_BatCommander
08/26/18 6:46:13 PM
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The story is probably XII's most criticized aspect
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KINDERFELD
08/26/18 6:47:05 PM
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Reis posted...
no one does this

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masterpug53
08/26/18 7:02:03 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
The story is probably XII's most criticized aspect


I mostly hear complaints about the combat and the soundtrack (and fuck the latter school of thought, XII makes beautiful music).

But the topic title is indeed a bizarro take.
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LinksLiege
08/26/18 7:03:36 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
I mostly hear complaints about the combat

It's funny how a lot of people shit on the gambit system when you can literally turn the damn thing off.
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ToPoPO
08/26/18 7:03:46 PM
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Everyone that plays it doesn't even know what the fuck the story is about to this day
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MJOLNRVII
08/26/18 7:05:32 PM
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Is this the topic where I get to say Venat and Vayne did nothing wrong?
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yusiko
08/26/18 7:08:00 PM
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almost no one praises the story
its story and characters (minus balthier) are its weakest link

the gameplay is great though

the story sounds really good on paper
but it not executed very well

there are some pretentious people who like to sound deeper than they are who pretend that its story is just to deep for people to understand because they dont know the difference between an idea and execution
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Garioshi
08/26/18 7:08:56 PM
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I literally can't remember half of the main characters' names
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masterpug53
08/26/18 7:12:57 PM
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Garioshi posted...
I literally can't remember half of the main characters' names


Balthier, Fran and to a lesser extent Basch are the only ones worth remembering. Ashe and Penelo are serviceable but forgettable. Vaan actively drags the game down with his presence and is one of the few characters truly deserving of the Internet hate machine (to this day I still don't know why people lump Penelo with him; even at her worst she's harmless).
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yusiko
08/26/18 7:15:35 PM
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fran is terrible
she is almost as pointless as vaan and penelo

her only saving grace is her exposed ass cheeks which dont appeal to everyone.

penelo has a good design
but she is pointless
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Blue_Inigo
08/26/18 7:22:07 PM
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yusiko posted...
fran is terrible

Get the fuck out
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
08/26/18 7:29:56 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
yusiko posted...
fran is terrible

Get the fuck out


MtvVWf6

Mmmm hmmmm
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fusespliff
08/26/18 7:34:38 PM
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yusiko posted...
her only saving grace is her exposed ass cheeks which dont appeal to everyone.


Shouldn't you be going gaga for Vaan then?
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yusiko
08/26/18 7:35:10 PM
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fusespliff posted...
yusiko posted...
her only saving grace is her exposed ass cheeks which dont appeal to everyone.


Shouldn't you be going gaga for Vaan then?


he has an ugly face and his abs look fucking weird
balthier is the hottest
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fusespliff
08/26/18 7:36:53 PM
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yusiko posted...
fusespliff posted...
yusiko posted...
her only saving grace is her exposed ass cheeks which dont appeal to everyone.


Shouldn't you be going gaga for Vaan then?


he has an ugly face and his abs look fucking weird
balthier is the hottest


The point was that you're assuming Fran is only liked by straight men because of exposed skin. Therefore as a gay man, you should absolutely love Vaan.
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yusiko
08/26/18 7:38:59 PM
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fusespliff posted...
yusiko posted...
fusespliff posted...
yusiko posted...
her only saving grace is her exposed ass cheeks which dont appeal to everyone.


Shouldn't you be going gaga for Vaan then?


he has an ugly face and his abs look fucking weird
balthier is the hottest


The point was that you're assuming Fran is only liked by straight men because of exposed skin. Therefore as a gay man, you should absolutely love Vaan.


i only assumed fran was liked for her exposed skin because she has next to no character traits worth liking
not because she is scantily clad

velvet from tales of berseria is pretty much naked from the front and i dont think people like her just because of their erections
but because of her character and their erections
thats the big difference
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Hayame Zero
08/26/18 7:41:42 PM
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I didn't mind the combat. It was like KOTOR or Dragon Age 1 a bit. The problem was the gameplay itself was like a single-player MMO. Long stretches of areas with minimal plot, an nearly all of the sidequests were basically just raids (Hunter Clan).

And on topic, the story really wasn't good. Oddly enough, the writing of the dialoge was great, it's just that there was nothing there to make it interesting. They were going the FFT route of political intrigue, but it was just all uneventful.
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VectorChaos
08/26/18 7:43:44 PM
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MJOLNRVII posted...
Is this the topic where I get to say Venat and Vayne did nothing wrong?


Real talk, they did a lot of wrong shit, but Cid got Ashe to do what Venat wanted and it probably was for the better of Ivalice. Fuck the Occuria.

But I don't think there was any other way to make it happen. The Occuria gave Ashe the means to destroy the Sun Cryst only because they were convinced her hatred of Vayne would make her do as they wished because of the terrible things he did to Dalmasca and Nabradia. They certainly wouldn't give it to Cid, Vayne, or any of their lackeys knowing they were aligned with Venat.

And let's be real, the power of Nethecite from the Sun Cryst shouldn't be in anyone's hands. It's a fucking magic WMD and Nabradia in the game shows how its Mist lingers even afterwards like radiation, generating and luring horrific creatures for years after the initial destruction and making the land uninhabitable.

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VerisimiIitude
08/26/18 7:48:04 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
Garioshi posted...
I literally can't remember half of the main characters' names


Balthier, Fran and to a lesser extent Basch are the only ones worth remembering. Ashe and Penelo are serviceable but forgettable. Vaan actively drags the game down with his presence and is one of the few characters truly deserving of the Internet hate machine (to this day I still don't know why people lump Penelo with him; even at her worst she's harmless).

Ashe at least had plot relevance. Cant for the life of me remember why Fran tagged along for most of the story.

But yeah most characters were pretty forgettable and while a story that focuses on world building and political intrigue seems great, its execution was poor, the pacing felt off, and it felt like a lot of wasted potential by the end.
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southcoast09
08/26/18 7:48:15 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
The story is probably XII's most criticized aspect


I mostly hear complaints about the combat and the soundtrack (and fuck the latter school of thought, XII makes beautiful music).

But the topic title is indeed a bizarro take.

The combat was unacceptably bad.

Hey, people are pissed that we made the last game online-only, so lets use the same boring combat system and make it not online.
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alphagamble
08/26/18 7:49:09 PM
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I'm a pretty big fan of 12 but I don't hold the story in much regard

The gambits are what got me hooked
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yusiko
08/26/18 8:07:53 PM
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VerisimiIitude posted...
Ashe at least had plot relevance. Cant for the life of me remember why Fran tagged along for most of the story.


she was balthiers sidekick
that was it
she was the chewbacca clone only with a few lines that werent just roars
which is a shame cause it would have been more interesting if her lines were just chewbacca noises with balthier understanding her
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KINDERFELD
08/26/18 8:42:00 PM
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yusiko posted...
VerisimiIitude posted...
Ashe at least had plot relevance. Cant for the life of me remember why Fran tagged along for most of the story.


she was balthiers sidekick
that was it
she was the chewbacca clone only with a few lines that werent just roars
which is a shame cause it would have been more interesting if her lines were just chewbacca noises with balthier understanding her


And you didn't find at anytime, characters in other protagonists' storylines that were underdeveloped?
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yusiko
08/26/18 8:46:24 PM
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KINDERFELD posted...
And you didn't find at anytime, characters in other protagonists' storylines that were underdeveloped?


vaan and penelo's storylines were pretty much non existent
but balthier, ashe and basch had complete arcs

it actually makes fran worse because she does have a tiny bit of relevance that goes nowhere where as vaan and penelo were always clearly just an afterthought to the writers
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Blue_Inigo
08/26/18 8:48:14 PM
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People love Yuffie and Vincent even though they were mega irrelevant to the story. Especially Yuffie
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KayfabeTactics
08/26/18 8:48:48 PM
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Some people like it because it's connected to Final Fantasy Tactics
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creativerealms
08/26/18 8:49:00 PM
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There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.
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yusiko
08/26/18 8:50:09 PM
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Blue_Inigo posted...
People love Yuffie and Vincent even though they were mega irrelevant to the story. Especially Yuffie


yuffie had an entire sidequest and a boss rush solo to round out her character
fran didnt have that

plus ff7 had 9 party members so its accepted that some characters would get a lot less focus than others

ff12 only had 6 and 3 were under developed
even final fantasy 8 gave selphie, zell, quistis and irvine more depth before making them background noise
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KINDERFELD
08/26/18 8:51:08 PM
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creativerealms posted...
There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.


True.
Compared to the horse manure of a storyline in games like Octopath Traveler, FF12's writing was god tier.
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_MorningStar
08/26/18 8:57:55 PM
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I loved everything about FFXII. I need to get the remastered edition.
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SageHarpuia
08/26/18 8:59:25 PM
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I hate all Final Fantasy games that I can't play on a Nintendo system
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masterpug53
08/26/18 9:05:08 PM
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yusiko posted...
fran is terrible
she is almost as pointless as vaan and penelo

her only saving grace is her exposed ass cheeks which dont appeal to everyone.


Said cheeks in and of themselves gives her more value than most of the rest of the party.

And since when is selective appeal a bad thing?
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creativerealms
08/26/18 9:06:01 PM
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KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.


True.
Compared to the horse manure of a storyline in games like Octopath Traveler, FF12's writing was god tier.

I don't judge the story of games I have not played. I haven't played octopath yet. What does that even have to do with anything?
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KINDERFELD
08/26/18 9:07:39 PM
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creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.


True.
Compared to the horse manure of a storyline in games like Octopath Traveler, FF12's writing was god tier.

I don't judge the story of games I have not played. I haven't played octopath yet. What does that even have to do with anything?


People praise that game's writing when its atrocious however FF12 which is significantly better in terms of storyline, gets criticized.
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Behaviorism
08/26/18 9:08:05 PM
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No talk of Ashe's butt?
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creativerealms
08/26/18 9:09:11 PM
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KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.


True.
Compared to the horse manure of a storyline in games like Octopath Traveler, FF12's writing was god tier.

I don't judge the story of games I have not played. I haven't played octopath yet. What does that even have to do with anything?


People praise that game's writing when its atrocious however FF12 which is significantly better in terms of storyline, gets criticized.

But I wasn't.
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KINDERFELD
08/26/18 9:09:48 PM
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creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.


True.
Compared to the horse manure of a storyline in games like Octopath Traveler, FF12's writing was god tier.

I don't judge the story of games I have not played. I haven't played octopath yet. What does that even have to do with anything?


People praise that game's writing when its atrocious however FF12 which is significantly better in terms of storyline, gets criticized.

But I wasn't.


Did I ever say you were?
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_MorningStar
08/26/18 9:10:50 PM
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creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.


True.
Compared to the horse manure of a storyline in games like Octopath Traveler, FF12's writing was god tier.

I don't judge the story of games I have not played. I haven't played octopath yet. What does that even have to do with anything?


People praise that game's writing when its atrocious however FF12 which is significantly better in terms of storyline, gets criticized.

But I wasn't.

Lol @ being needlessly combative.
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creativerealms
08/26/18 9:12:27 PM
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_MorningStar posted...
creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
KINDERFELD posted...
creativerealms posted...
There is a great story in Final Fantasy XII. Problem is we only get bits and pieces of that story while following a side story with side characters.


True.
Compared to the horse manure of a storyline in games like Octopath Traveler, FF12's writing was god tier.

I don't judge the story of games I have not played. I haven't played octopath yet. What does that even have to do with anything?


People praise that game's writing when its atrocious however FF12 which is significantly better in terms of storyline, gets criticized.

But I wasn't.

Lol @ being needlessly combative.

He brought up the game for no reason as a response to me. I was wondering why. What's wrong with that?
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