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Worse but not way worse

Questionmarktarius posted...

Space_Man posted...

She wouldn't have been much better. The only thing that's worse is that she's a bit sneakier and would probably get away with more.

Trump can't even take a shit without someone talking about it

There'd probably be a few more "suicides" involving two gunshots to the back of the head, instead of immunity deals.

How anybody who saw the 2016 campaign believes Clinton and her hangers-on to be ruthlessly efficient criminal masterminds capable of actually getting things done is beyond me.
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Losing the election and tricking Trump into colluding with the Russians was all part of her plan to get elected.
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Even if she was shit with her presidency (which she likely would have been), she would have been able to nominate 2 justices and environmental policy wouldn't be the mess it is now.
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Antifar posted...

How anybody who saw the 2016 campaign believes Clinton and her hangers-on to be ruthlessly efficient criminal masterminds capable of actually getting things done is beyond me.

Of course, find/replace "Hillary" with "Trump", and the above is still a reasonably correct statement.

We're all better off just grabbing a fiddle and watching Rome burn.

If Hillary hadn't pivoted hard left to win Bernie votes I probably would have voted for her, honestly. She's a cutthroat, hawkish centrist with a hard lean towards corporations and no actual morals to speak of that don't directly benefit her in some way. Her presidency would likely have mostly been status quo, with the exception of Syria. A lot of people don't remember, but she was pushing hard for a larger presence in Syria and would have significantly escalated tensions in the region and possibly led to a proxy war with Russia, who had set up no fly zones in the region. For all of Trump's bluster towards other nations, we at least haven't gone to war yet.
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s0nicfan posted...

If Hillary hadn't pivoted hard left to win Bernie votes I probably would have voted for her, honestly.

If anything, Hillary has been consistently right of Trump, who has historically been slightly left of center until he started with the bad Reagan impersonation.

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

If Hillary hadn't pivoted hard left to win Bernie votes I probably would have voted for her, honestly.

If anything, Hillary has been consistently right of Trump, who has historically been slightly left of center until he started with the bad Reagan impersonation.

Prior to the primaries, absolutely. I remember back at the start of those that people joked that Hillary was a republican running as a dem, and Trump was a dem running as a republican.
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Lol at the thought of Donnie being a democrat running as a republican.
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This may rock your world: Trump never really identified as a Republican until fairly recently
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Heineken14 posted...

Lol at the thought of Donnie being a democrat running as a republican.

He went to Hillary's wedding. He somewhat famously said if he ran he'd run as a republican because of how stupid they are. Either you have a very bad long term memory or you weren't even relatively paying attention to politics prior to the general election.
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s0nicfan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

If Hillary hadn't pivoted hard left to win Bernie votes I probably would have voted for her, honestly.

If anything, Hillary has been consistently right of Trump, who has historically been slightly left of center until he started with the bad Reagan impersonation.

Prior to the primaries, absolutely. I remember back at the start of those that people joked that Hillary was a republican running as a dem, and Trump was a dem running as a republican.

Of course, the way things seem to work out, 2024 is likely to be an overt communist running against an obnoxious evangelical.

I really do need to figure out how to invest in popcorn futures.

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

s0nicfan posted...

If Hillary hadn't pivoted hard left to win Bernie votes I probably would have voted for her, honestly.

If anything, Hillary has been consistently right of Trump, who has historically been slightly left of center until he started with the bad Reagan impersonation.

Prior to the primaries, absolutely. I remember back at the start of those that people joked that Hillary was a republican running as a dem, and Trump was a dem running as a republican.

Of course, the way things seem to work out, 2024 is likely to be an overt communist running against an obnoxious evangelical.

I really do need to figure out how to invest in popcorn futures.

On the plus side, if the two parties go full extremism there's a slight chance that a third party might form in the vacuum and break america's current two party system.
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s0nicfan posted...

Heineken14 posted...

Lol at the thought of Donnie being a democrat running as a republican.

He went to Hillary's wedding. He somewhat famously said if he ran he'd run as a republican because of how stupid they are. Either you have a very bad long term memory or you weren't even relatively paying attention to politics prior to the general election.

That does nothing to the notion of him being a democrat. You can't even point to any long standing belief he's had because he has flip flopped on literally every position.... multiple times for some as well.

His quote is right though, no way in fuck he would have even gotten close to the nomination running as a democrat.
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s0nicfan posted...

On the plus side, if the two parties go full extremism there's a slight chance that a third party might form in the vacuum and break america's current two party system.

There's as much chance as a 3rd party winning the presidency as there is of Donnie making a coherent thought on nuclear physics. Our system just isn't set up for it.
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s0nicfan posted...

On the plus side, if the two parties go full extremism there's a slight chance that a third party might form in the vacuum and break america's current two party system.

If Jeff Bezos and the Super Koch Bros unite behind one, maybe.

Trump is doing a great job as president. Hillary would have done a lousy job, but nothing that we couldn't recover from. Bernie would have been the worst president in our country's history and would have completed ruined our nation.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Of course, the way things seem to work out, 2024 is likely to be an overt communist running against an obnoxious evangelical.

This worries me more than anything about modern-day politics.
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s0nicfan posted...

He somewhat famously said if he ran he'd run as a republican because of how stupid they are.

He didn't say that.
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Dondre_X posted...

Do people still believe that?

I do

shockthemonkey posted...

Zikten posted...

Dondre_X posted...

Do people still believe that?

I do

Yeah but you also believe that Hillary murdered everyone and that Heather Heyer provoked a dude to run her down and that David Hogg wasnt at school during the Parkland shooting, so your view isnt actually based in reality whatsoever

Zitken was also a bernie supporter. Really goes to show how ignorant people can be.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Zikten posted...

Dondre_X posted...

Do people still believe that?

I do

Yeah but you also believe that Hillary murdered everyone and that Heather Heyer provoked a dude to run her down and that David Hogg wasnt at school during the Parkland shooting, so your view isnt actually based in reality whatsoever

Yes to the first

Maybe to the 2nd i don't know

No to the last i guess. Supposedly they proved he was there and the rumor was based on a different student and people got confused

Zikten posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Zikten posted...

Dondre_X posted...

Do people still believe that?

I do

Yeah but you also believe that Hillary murdered everyone and that Heather Heyer provoked a dude to run her down and that David Hogg wasnt at school during the Parkland shooting, so your view isnt actually based in reality whatsoever

Yes to the first

Maybe to the 2nd i don't know

No to the last i guess. Supposedly they proved he was there and the rumor was based on a different student and people got confused

So, only 1 thing you are actually right on then, and even then you still say "I guess" so as to leave some bit of doubt. Not a very good track record.
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