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KhanJohnny posted...

Kastrada posted...

I'm liberal and I love this country and it pisses me off seeing people shit on this country. There are a ton of things we need to work on and address of course but saying we are the worst is stupid and saying we are the best is just hubris.

Doesn't change the fact that this country is great because of diversity. Humans can't exist in a bubble. We are social creatures. We succeed when we interact with others. It's basic biology. Limiting our socialness leads to a lack of progress. You don't have to look any further than tribes with no external contact. >_>

There's no evidence America couldn't be just as great (if indeed it is great), if it focused om assimilation than proclaiming the gospel of diversity.

And what evidence do you have to support an alternate history that didn't happen? Where is the time machine to test your hypothesis?

What are all these highly successful homogenous societies throughout history? Keep in mind that having the same skin color, the same ancestral grounds, and not being gay does not make people the same. Give me examples of real homogeny, not the white supremacist idea.
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Fight_The_Power posted...

Topics like this are why your ex dumped you

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hockeybub89 posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Kastrada posted...

I'm liberal and I love this country and it pisses me off seeing people shit on this country. There are a ton of things we need to work on and address of course but saying we are the worst is stupid and saying we are the best is just hubris.

Doesn't change the fact that this country is great because of diversity. Humans can't exist in a bubble. We are social creatures. We succeed when we interact with others. It's basic biology. Limiting our socialness leads to a lack of progress. You don't have to look any further than tribes with no external contact. >_>

There's no evidence America couldn't be just as great (if indeed it is great), if it focused om assimilation than proclaiming the gospel of diversity.

And what evidence do you have to support an alternate history that didn't happen? Where is the time machine to test your hypothesis?

What are all these highly successful homogenous societies throughout history? Keep in mind that having the same skin color, the same ancestral grounds, and not being gay does not make people the same. Give me examples of real homogeny, not the white supremacist idea.

Domt claim diversity made America great without offering support for the proposition.

America is also currently not great according to liberals anyway, so hard to see how they can make that argument.

KhanJohnny posted...

Domt claim diversity made America great without offering support for the proposition.

America is also currently not great according to liberals anyway, so hard to see how they can make that argument.

America is a diverse country and is the greatest country on Earth, so there isn't really anything else that needs to said. And lol wtf are you talking about? Conservatives are the ones who claimed America isn't great when your slogan is make America great again since that means you don't think America is great now.

So if diversity is not only not beneficial, but a detriment to society like you claim, why is diverse America the greatest country in human history? Why are homogeneous, isolated countries in better shape? Lol by your logic, North Korea should be one of the greatest countries in Earth.
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Cuomo just said America wasn't great. How delusional are you lmao

Liberal Millenials agree btw

https://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/62950

Who the fuck's alt is this garbage account.
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Kineth posted...

Who the fuck's alt is this garbage account.

I'm not an alt, silly

This topic is a rare instance of both liberals and conservatives playing the part of the fool. There's really no good place to start. Pretty much every post has had an issue with it.
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KhanJohnny posted...

Cuomo just said America wasn't great. How delusional are you lmao

Liberal Millenials agree btw

https://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/62950

Who cares what cuomo said? He doesn't speak for liberals at all. Lol you're literally calling me delusional while acting as if all liberals think a certain way simply because that's how one guy thinks. You're being absurd.
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nicklebro posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Cuomo just said America wasn't great. How delusional are you lmao

Liberal Millenials agree btw

https://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/62950

Who cares what cuomo said? He doesn't speak for liberals at all. Lol you're literally calling me delusional while acting as if all liberals think a certain way simply because that's how one guy thinks. You're being absurd.

"America is great for straight white men" is basically a liberal mantra, fam

KhanJohnny posted...

"America is great for straight white men" is basically a liberal mantra, fam

And that's true, it's also great for everyone else, but clearly it's better for straight white men than everyone else. You're not denying that, are you?

Regardless, nowhere does that supposed liberal mantra you just pulled out your ass say that America isn't great, so youre putting your foot in your mouth again.
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nicklebro posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

"America is great for straight white men" is basically a liberal mantra, fam

And that's true, it's also great for everyone else, but clearly it's better for straight white men than everyone else. You're not denying that, are you?

Regardless, nowhere does that supposed liberal mantra you just pulled out your ass say that America isn't great, so youre putting your foot in your mouth again.

If it's great for everyone, then why are minorities so restless right now

KhanJohnny posted...

If it's great for everyone, then why are minorities so restless right now

Because it's great, not perfect. Lol i mean conservatives are the ones that freaked out so hard from having a black president that you elected Donald Trump purely out of spite, again uner the slogan of "make America great again" which means you think America isn't great.
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nicklebro posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

If it's great for everyone, then why are minorities so restless right now

Because it's great, not perfect. Lol i mean conservatives are the ones that freaked out so hard from having a black president that you elected Donald Trump purely out of spite, again uner the slogan of "make America great again" which means you think America isn't great.

I voted for Clinton, so get your facts straight.

Football players literally protest every day dishonoring the National Anthem () because America is not great enough for them.

You say you voted for Clinton, but your criticism of NFL players kneeling during the anthem is right from mouth of Sean Hannity. It's not an inherent contradiction, but one that needs explanation because the politics of both positions are nearly diametrically opposed to one another.

Maybe you really are the principled conservative voting his conscience against Trump. Or maybe you're not speaking in good faith and your saying things just to argue.
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hollow_shrine posted...

You say you voted for Clinton, but your criticism of NFL players kneeling during the anthem is right from mouth of Sean Hannity. It's not an inherent contradiction, but one that needs explanation because the politics of both positions are nearly diametrically opposed to one another.

Maybe you really are the principled conservative voting his conscience against Trump. Or maybe you're not speaking in good faith and your saying things just to argue.

I didn't criticize them. I said it was evidence that they do not think America is great. Please read next time.

KhanJohnny posted...

I didn't criticize them.

KhanJohnny posted...

Football players literally protest every day, dishonoring the National Anthem () because America is not great enough for them.

This is definitely a criticism. You barely acknowledge that these players might have some sort of grievance behind their protest, while throwing around pregnant language like "dishonoring the National Anthem" like an anchor on Fox News.

I don't believe for a moment that you're this dense.
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Homogeny slows progress and plants the seeds that create obstacles when diversity happens.

The bolded passages on the first page are not knocks on diversity. A lot of it is actually a knock on people feeling disconnected from people they view as different. The trust issues and lack of communal harmony is a knock on discrimination. The lesson is to welcome people of different backgrounds. Some of the other issues like lack of voting are almost certainly correlation. Possibly stemming from the stated mistrust and possibly other factors related to communities that tend to be diverse.

Diversity is inherently good as long as all sides welcome and learn from each other. All cultures have good and bad attributes. Learning from each other makes everybody better. Diversity also allows art, food, architecture, etc. to bloom.

You could argue that my stance sounds nice but people are just too racist, xenophobic, stubborn, and stupid for it to work in practice. But the lesson should be to not be afraid of and welcome each other, not segregate.

KhanJohnny posted...

Kineth posted...

Who the fuck's alt is this garbage account.

I'm not an alt, silly

Assuming this is true, then you didn't answer my question. What's the account you were using before it got banned?
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hollow_shrine posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

I didn't criticize them.

KhanJohnny posted...

Football players literally protest every day, dishonoring the National Anthem () because America is not great enough for them.

This is definitely a criticism. You barely acknowledge that these players might have some sort of grievance behind their protest, while throwing around pregnant language like "dishonoring the National Anthem" like an anchor on Fox News.

I don't believe for a moment that you're this dense.

It is a fact that they are dishonoring the National Anthem out of protest. That is indisputable. It is not a criticism.

Kineth posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Kineth posted...

Who the fuck's alt is this garbage account.

I'm not an alt, silly

Assuming this is true, then you didn't answer my question. What's the account you were using before it got banned?

I've been off GameFAQs fo a while after my last ban. But I believe my last account was KhanofKhans

KhanJohnny posted...

dishonoring the National Anthem

how

there's nothing in flag decorum that says you can't kneel for it
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masterbarf posted...

Homogeny slows progress and plants the seeds that create obstacles when diversity happens.

The bolded passages on the first page are not knocks on diversity. A lot of it is actually a knock on people feeling disconnected from people they view as different. The trust issues and lack of communal harmony is a knock on discrimination. The lesson is to welcome people of different backgrounds. Some of the other issues like lack of voting are almost certainly correlation. Possibly stemming from the stated mistrust and possibly other factors related to communities that tend to be diverse.

Diversity is inherently good as long as all sides welcome and learn from each other. All cultures have good and bad attributes. Learning from each other makes everybody better. Diversity also allows art, food, architecture, etc. to bloom.

You could argue that my stance sounds nice but people are just too racist, xenophobic, stubborn, and stupid for it to work in practice. But the lesson should be to not be afraid of and welcome each other, not segregate.

Human beings are naturally tribalistic and always have been. Ignore that obvious truth at your own peril.

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

dishonoring the National Anthem

how

there's nothing in flag decorum that says you can't kneel for it

The National Anthem isn't a flag

KhanJohnny posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

dishonoring the National Anthem

how

there's nothing in flag decorum that says you can't kneel for it

The National Anthem isn't a flag

okay even better

how is protesting police brutality supposed to dishonor the flag created to celebrate the foundation of a country free from tyranny and oppression
you can say however much you want that kneeling during the anthem is against anthem etiquette, fine. that's true, categorically.

but the action behind it (kneeling during the anthem) is justified and has plenty of thought and reasoning

the argument against it (they're protesting our flag and anthem!), however, does not
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

dishonoring the National Anthem

how

there's nothing in flag decorum that says you can't kneel for it

The National Anthem isn't a flag

okay even better

how is protesting police brutality supposed to dishonor the flag created to celebrate the foundation of a country free from tyranny and oppression
you can say however much you want that kneeling during the anthem is against anthem etiquette, fine. that's true, categorically.

but the action behind it (kneeling during the anthem) is justified and has plenty of thought and reasoning

the argument against it (they're protesting our flag and anthem!), however, does not

The players realize that not standing to the National Anthem is considered offensive to millions of Americans. That is precisely why they do it. It helps them garner attention by breaking norms out of protest. This isn't a criticism. This is just a fact. And it shows that they don't think America is great.

KhanJohnny posted...

The players realize that not standing to the National Anthem is considered offensive to millions of Americans. That is precisely why they do it. It helps them garner attention by breaking norms out of protest. This isn't a criticism. This is just a fact. And it shows that they don't think America is great.

No, that is not precisely why they do it. They kneel to show their stance on an issue. Hell, I'd wager that most of them would say that they weren't expecting the type of offense taken to it.

Still, considering that the rights to protest and free speech is a right that Americans love to tout, the act of genuflection, along with using the rights given to you by the social contract, shows their love for the principles of this country. The heavy-handed response likely has more to do with any notion that they don't think America is great than the act of silently protesting.

Like.... people going apeshit over someone kneeling. Seriously. It's clearly not as simple as you want to pretend it is.
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The NFL brings the protests on themselves. Forcing people to show patriotism is just asking for it. I think playing the anthem at sports events is as crazy as a restaurant randomly playing it and expecting patrons to stop eating and stand up.

KhanJohnny posted...

masterbarf posted...

Homogeny slows progress and plants the seeds that create obstacles when diversity happens.

The bolded passages on the first page are not knocks on diversity. A lot of it is actually a knock on people feeling disconnected from people they view as different. The trust issues and lack of communal harmony is a knock on discrimination. The lesson is to welcome people of different backgrounds. Some of the other issues like lack of voting are almost certainly correlation. Possibly stemming from the stated mistrust and possibly other factors related to communities that tend to be diverse.

Diversity is inherently good as long as all sides welcome and learn from each other. All cultures have good and bad attributes. Learning from each other makes everybody better. Diversity also allows art, food, architecture, etc. to bloom.

You could argue that my stance sounds nice but people are just too racist, xenophobic, stubborn, and stupid for it to work in practice. But the lesson should be to not be afraid of and welcome each other, not segregate.

Human beings are naturally tribalistic and always have been. Ignore that obvious truth at your own peril.

Studies show that people with the most fear and prejudice of various groups are people who lack personal experience with them, who live in homogeneous communities. People get better after integration. It may come with conflict at first, but the bandaid has to come off eventually.

One positive is that mixed race people seem to be greater than the sum of their parts

There was this mixed black/Asian guy that used to come in where I worked, and I was honestly envious of his looks. It felt like he was swimming in the Olympic gene pool, while I was sitting in a knee deep kiddy pool with piss in it
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Do lots of people think protesting during the National Anthem is offensive or not? I'm not talking about on CE, I mean the general population.

Diversity is amoral. Dems just make it seem important to get dem votes
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KhanJohnny posted...

Do lots of people think protesting during the National Anthem is offensive or not? I'm not talking about on CE, I mean the general population.

I heard about 30% of NFL viewers have a problem with it.

Are you a fucking idiot? Havent you heard of evolution? A more diverse gene pool prevents birth defects and creates stronger offspring.
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MetalGearRiki posted...

Are you a fucking idiot? Havent you heard of evolution? A more diverse gene pool prevents birth defects and creates stronger offspring.

Someone hasnt read the topic and keeps repeating this dumb point. Nice flaming.

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Do lots of people think protesting during the National Anthem is offensive or not? I'm not talking about on CE, I mean the general population.

I heard about 30% of NFL viewers have a problem with it.

That's a substantial minority, and given that the NFL is like 60% black, we can probably make some racial speculations about it.

KhanJohnny posted...

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Do lots of people think protesting during the National Anthem is offensive or not? I'm not talking about on CE, I mean the general population.

I heard about 30% of NFL viewers have a problem with it.

That's a substantial minority, and given that the NFL is like 60% black, we can probably make some racial speculations about it.

I think the demographics of the viewers are what's relevant. Though considering what's being protested there probably is some measurable correlation.

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Do lots of people think protesting during the National Anthem is offensive or not? I'm not talking about on CE, I mean the general population.

I heard about 30% of NFL viewers have a problem with it.

That's a substantial minority, and given that the NFL is like 60% black, we can probably make some racial speculations about it.

I think the demographics of the viewers are what's relevant. Though considering what's being protested there probably is some measurable correlation.

Note viewership is down significantly because of these protests

KhanJohnny posted...

Note viewership is down significantly because of these protests

...And because of bad press the NFL keeps getting over players' misbehavior/scandals/domestic abuse/murders/etc, and a perception that the organization handwaves a lot of that stuff for money. And young people don't watch it, so as the older generations move on there seems to be nothing to replace them.

But really all that is besides the point because white people get in their feelings no matter how black people nonviolently protest.
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KhanJohnny posted...

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Do lots of people think protesting during the National Anthem is offensive or not? I'm not talking about on CE, I mean the general population.

I heard about 30% of NFL viewers have a problem with it.

That's a substantial minority, and given that the NFL is like 60% black, we can probably make some racial speculations about it.

I think the demographics of the viewers are what's relevant. Though considering what's being protested there probably is some measurable correlation.

Note viewership is down significantly because of these protests

Viewership was declining before these incidents happened.

And if it's solely because of the protests, then why is NASCAR's falling even worse than the NFL's is?
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Bio1590 posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

masterbarf posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

Do lots of people think protesting during the National Anthem is offensive or not? I'm not talking about on CE, I mean the general population.

I heard about 30% of NFL viewers have a problem with it.

That's a substantial minority, and given that the NFL is like 60% black, we can probably make some racial speculations about it.

I think the demographics of the viewers are what's relevant. Though considering what's being protested there probably is some measurable correlation.

Note viewership is down significantly because of these protests

Viewership was declining before these incidents happened.

And if it's solely because of the protests, then why is NASCAR's falling even worse than the NFL's is?

When did I say that was the sole cause?

Squall28 posted...

Yeah that's why inbreeding is good and why animals prosper when there's lack of genetic diversity.

dontIoseyourway posted...

Squall28 posted...

Yeah that's why inbreeding is good and why animals prosper when there's lack of genetic diversity.

Wow someone else has failed to read the topic and posts this tired point for the sixth time

KhanJohnny posted...

When did I say that was the sole cause?

KhanJohnny posted...

Note viewership is down significantly because of these protests

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KhanJohnny posted...

dontIoseyourway posted...

Squall28 posted...

Yeah that's why inbreeding is good and why animals prosper when there's lack of genetic diversity.

Wow someone else has failed to read the topic and posts this tired point for the sixth time

I don't think people found your argument compelling on that.
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nicklebro posted...

KhanJohnny posted...

When did I say that was the sole cause?

KhanJohnny posted...

Note viewership is down significantly because of these protests

Point out where I said it was the only cause.

The sentence directly states that viewership is down because of the protests. You shouldn't need help getting the point with what was presented to you.
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Kineth posted...

The sentence directly states that viewership is down because of the protests. You shouldn't need help getting the point with what was presented to you.

Yep its a contriburing factor, not the sole.

Are you obtuse?

KhanJohnny posted...

Kineth posted...

The sentence directly states that viewership is down because of the protests. You shouldn't need help getting the point with what was presented to you.

Yep its a contriburing factor, not the sole.

Are you obtuse?

Lol no one is falling for that bullshit. Nowhere did you say or even imply there were other contributing factors. You said that viewership was down significantly because of those protests. Those we're your words, in context, so you can't even argue your words were twisted to mean something else. In fact you're the one trying to change the meaning of your post after the fact. Not gonna work man, you've already been exposed as a bullshitter so no one is gonna fall for this obvious nonsense.
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