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Fin_Dawg_004
08/15/18 3:01:46 PM
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For "erratic behavior"

Brennan has been a critic of Trump.

The White House also reviewing security clearances of James Clapper, James Comey, Michael Hayden, Sally Yates, Susan Rice, Peter Strzok, Bruce Ohr, Andrew McCabe, & Lisa Page.

No republicans on the list
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Master_Bass
08/15/18 3:03:10 PM
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More like erotic behavior.
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BWLurker
08/15/18 3:03:31 PM
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Is there precedent in politicizing the revoking of security clearances?
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frozenshock
08/15/18 3:04:28 PM
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BWLurker posted...
Is there precedent in politicizing the revoking of security clearances?


Maybe? Maybe not?

Idk.

But Trump doesn't give a flying fuck whether or not there's a precedent for something.
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Musourenka
08/15/18 3:10:19 PM
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Was Trump the one who reinstated Kushner's clearance after Kushner had it revoked?

Trump is spite incarnate.
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Fin_Dawg_004
08/15/18 3:12:46 PM
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BWLurker posted...
Is there precedent in politicizing the revoking of security clearances?

nope
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ThePrinceFish
08/15/18 3:14:35 PM
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ohh noo now the administration wont be able to call such respected figures for advice

another bite out of american democracy :(
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darkjedilink
08/15/18 3:15:09 PM
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Why should anyone continue to have security clearance after they've left the job?
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lww99
08/15/18 3:16:39 PM
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Because they could still need the clearance for other employment opportunities?
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frozenshock
08/15/18 3:17:11 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Why should anyone continue to have security clearance after they've left the job?


Not sure it's absolutely necessary, but here's an explanation:

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2018/07/23/can-the-white-house-revoke-the-clearances-of-former-government-officials/

Typically, senior government officials keep their security clearance eligibility when they leave office even if they are no longer government employees, said Evan Lesser, founder and president of ClearanceJobs. This is done to ensure continuity between administrations, allow former officials to consult government and industry on national security matters, and keep senior people readily available in the event of an emergency. While they may maintain their eligibility, their access to classified information remains on a need-to-know basis like everyone else. Ultimately, the president has the power to grant or revoke security clearances to whomever he chooses.

When it comes to the security clearances of former officials, a clearance revocation would also be more likely to come through their agencies, or officials, versus a White House mandate.

As former directors of the FBI and CIA, their respective agencies would be the authority to terminate a security clearance, noted Christopher Burgess, veteran CIA officer and a regular contributor to ClearanceJobs.com. As both the FBI and the CIA are agencies which fall under the control of the executive branch (the president), the request to the current directors of the FBI and CIA would be the mechanism by which I would expect the request to be made, as these individuals do have the ability to summarily terminate access and employment.

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darkjedilink
08/15/18 3:18:33 PM
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lww99 posted...
Because they could still need the clearance for other employment opportunities?

Then they can reapply.

frozenshock posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Why should anyone continue to have security clearance after they've left the job?


Not sure it's absolutely necessary, but here's an explanation:

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2018/07/23/can-the-white-house-revoke-the-clearances-of-former-government-officials/

Typically, senior government officials keep their security clearance eligibility when they leave office even if they are no longer government employees, said Evan Lesser, founder and president of ClearanceJobs. This is done to ensure continuity between administrations, allow former officials to consult government and industry on national security matters, and keep senior people readily available in the event of an emergency. While they may maintain their eligibility, their access to classified information remains on a need-to-know basis like everyone else. Ultimately, the president has the power to grant or revoke security clearances to whomever he chooses.

When it comes to the security clearances of former officials, a clearance revocation would also be more likely to come through their agencies, or officials, versus a White House mandate.

As former directors of the FBI and CIA, their respective agencies would be the authority to terminate a security clearance, noted Christopher Burgess, veteran CIA officer and a regular contributor to ClearanceJobs.com. As both the FBI and the CIA are agencies which fall under the control of the executive branch (the president), the request to the current directors of the FBI and CIA would be the mechanism by which I would expect the request to be made, as these individuals do have the ability to summarily terminate access and employment.

Doesn't explain why it's bad to revoke them, though.
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frozenshock
08/15/18 3:19:43 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Doesn't explain why it's bad to revoke them, though.


It seems to be more unusual than bad from what I get
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lww99
08/15/18 3:20:42 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
lww99 posted...
Because they could still need the clearance for other employment opportunities?

Then they can reapply.

frozenshock posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Why should anyone continue to have security clearance after they've left the job?


Not sure it's absolutely necessary, but here's an explanation:

https://news.clearancejobs.com/2018/07/23/can-the-white-house-revoke-the-clearances-of-former-government-officials/

Typically, senior government officials keep their security clearance eligibility when they leave office even if they are no longer government employees, said Evan Lesser, founder and president of ClearanceJobs. This is done to ensure continuity between administrations, allow former officials to consult government and industry on national security matters, and keep senior people readily available in the event of an emergency. While they may maintain their eligibility, their access to classified information remains on a need-to-know basis like everyone else. Ultimately, the president has the power to grant or revoke security clearances to whomever he chooses.

When it comes to the security clearances of former officials, a clearance revocation would also be more likely to come through their agencies, or officials, versus a White House mandate.

As former directors of the FBI and CIA, their respective agencies would be the authority to terminate a security clearance, noted Christopher Burgess, veteran CIA officer and a regular contributor to ClearanceJobs.com. As both the FBI and the CIA are agencies which fall under the control of the executive branch (the president), the request to the current directors of the FBI and CIA would be the mechanism by which I would expect the request to be made, as these individuals do have the ability to summarily terminate access and employment.

Doesn't explain why it's bad to revoke them, though.


Because he's revoking them based on spite, not merit.

I got my clearance while I was in the military, but I've heard getting it as a civilian can cost up to 10k. Not sure how true that is, however.
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frozenshock
08/15/18 3:22:41 PM
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Also because it's politically motivated. It looks like he's doing it as punishment.
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lww99
08/15/18 3:22:48 PM
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The average cost to process a TOP SECRET clearance is between $3,000 and about $15,000, depending upon individual factors. The government pays the cost of clearances for military personnel and civilian government employees. -Jul 26, 2018
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Quorthon109
08/15/18 3:24:41 PM
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Just look at Brennan's twitter and you'll see why.

*I probably should've noted that the reason is pure spite, of course. "Erratic behavior" translates as "said bad things about me".
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Funbazooka
08/15/18 3:28:54 PM
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Brennan's an absolute dumbfuck.

x3p2PS2

Why allow an enemy like this to retain security clearance he has no right to? You don't know what the fuck he's doing. I bet that's what you're counting on.
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Antifar
08/15/18 3:31:21 PM
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Ah man, what will the torture justifier do now?
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Fin_Dawg_004
08/15/18 3:31:31 PM
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yay fascism!
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scar the 1
08/15/18 3:38:57 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
Doesn't explain why it's bad to revoke them, though.

frozenshock posted...
This is done to ensure continuity between administrations, allow former officials to consult government and industry on national security matters, and keep senior people readily available in the event of an emergency.

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P4wn4g3
08/15/18 3:43:11 PM
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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...
No republicans on the list

Comey?
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Fin_Dawg_004
08/15/18 3:43:55 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Fin_Dawg_004 posted...
No republicans on the list

Comey?

no longer republican. I'm pretty sure everyone on the list has been critical of trump
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Caution999
08/15/18 3:44:28 PM
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Sounds good to me
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P4wn4g3
08/15/18 3:45:31 PM
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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...
P4wn4g3 posted...
Fin_Dawg_004 posted...
No republicans on the list

Comey?

no longer republican. I'm pretty sure everyone on the list has been critical of trump

Yeah sure, just like McCain is "no longer a Republican"
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Fin_Dawg_004
08/15/18 3:45:52 PM
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i don't see your point
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Bio1590
08/15/18 3:47:35 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Brennan's an absolute dumbfuck.

x3p2PS2

Why allow an enemy like this to retain security clearance he has no right to? You don't know what the fuck he's doing. I bet that's what you're counting on.

"Enemy"
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P4wn4g3
08/15/18 3:48:04 PM
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Well if you accept both as true then I guess there's no issue.
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Coffeebeanz
08/15/18 3:49:02 PM
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Let's just revoke this dude's presidency
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darkjedilink
08/15/18 3:49:44 PM
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scar the 1 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Doesn't explain why it's bad to revoke them, though.

frozenshock posted...
This is done to ensure continuity between administrations, allow former officials to consult government and industry on national security matters, and keep senior people readily available in the event of an emergency.

How does that counter what I said? We're two years in, so there's no need for 'continuity,' Trump obviously doesn't want their advice, and I don't forsee a need for their services in an emergency.
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darkjedilink
08/15/18 3:51:28 PM
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lww99 posted...
Because he's revoking them based on spite, not merit.

So? He has that authority.
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King_Hellebuyck
08/15/18 3:51:46 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
scar the 1 posted...
darkjedilink posted...
Doesn't explain why it's bad to revoke them, though.

frozenshock posted...
This is done to ensure continuity between administrations, allow former officials to consult government and industry on national security matters, and keep senior people readily available in the event of an emergency.

How does that counter what I said? We're two years in, so there's no need for 'continuity,' Trump obviously doesn't want their advice, and I don't forsee a need for their services in an emergency.

Well if someone trolling on CE doesnt see the need then I guess thats that
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eston
08/15/18 3:51:52 PM
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Coffeebeanz
08/15/18 3:52:59 PM
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eston posted...
Donald Trump is a 70-year-old child


You're insulting children everywhere.
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The Great Muta 22
08/15/18 3:55:23 PM
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Doing this to drive a divide between the previous justice department of the country for oh, forever, and his own justice department to do his bidding. And the cultists lap up the slow creep towards fascism.

I don't want to see you guys ever bitch about Presidential overreach ever again once Trump is gone. As if it wasn't evident that you were all lying when you bitched about Obama, this is yet another piece of evidence. That, and the fact the majority of you guys didnt even follow politics prior to Trump, so think this is all normal
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Bishop9800
08/15/18 3:55:40 PM
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Caution999 posted...
Sounds good to me

If Trump's dick was in your ear, you would say the same thing.
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Fin_Dawg_004
08/15/18 3:56:49 PM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
Doing this to drive a divide between the previous justice department of the country for oh, forever, and his own justice department to do his bidding. And the cultists lap up the slow creep towards fascism.

I don't want to see you guys ever bitch about Presidential overreach ever again once Trump is gone. As if it wasn't evident that you were all lying when you bitched about Obama, this is yet another piece of evidence. That, and the fact the majority of you guys didnt even follow politics prior to Trump, so think this is all normal

the worst part is, this was all probably done to shift the national focus away from omarosa
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Uncle Choad
08/15/18 3:57:14 PM
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Hilarious.
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The Great Muta 22
08/15/18 3:57:14 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Funbazooka posted...
Brennan's an absolute dumbfuck.

x3p2PS2

Why allow an enemy like this to retain security clearance he has no right to? You don't know what the fuck he's doing. I bet that's what you're counting on.

"Enemy"


Remember that the majority of these people consider anyone who ever has been critical of Trump as some of the most heinous people alive. They'd deport us all if Trump gave the command
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Heineken14
08/15/18 3:59:19 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Why allow an enemy like this to retain security clearance he has no right to? You don't know what the fuck he's doing. I bet that's what you're counting on.


Exactly, but I don't think just getting rid of Donnie all willy nilly like is the way to go. We'll just continue on the legal route and wait for Mueller to drop his ass. Then we can just all have a hearty chuckle years from now that one time the right threw a temper tantrum and dated Carrot Top because their parents wouldn't let them borrow the car.
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Coffeebeanz
08/15/18 4:01:01 PM
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I think any normal person should be super uncomfortable with the way Trump is handling positions of power.
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s0nicfan
08/15/18 4:02:13 PM
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Nobody should retain clearance after being let go. It doesn't happen in any other situation and solely happens here due to nepotism so former staffers can go right into lobbying without having to reapply for clearance. The fact that this has been common practice for so long, and continues to be common practice, is the height of stupidity.
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lww99
08/15/18 4:03:28 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
lww99 posted...
Because he's revoking them based on spite, not merit.

So? He has that authority.


So you agree that he's only revoking them over personal feelings. Cool.
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P4wn4g3
08/15/18 4:03:59 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Nobody should retain clearance after being let go. It doesn't happen in any other situation and solely happens here due to nepotism so former staffers can go right into lobbying without having to reapply for clearance. The fact that this has been common practice for so long, and continues to be common practice, is the height of stupidity.

It's not nepotism, as much as I like calling politicians out for that. And a security clearance is like a license, which you do in fact keep after the job.
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Funbazooka
08/15/18 4:04:21 PM
#46:


Brennan unequivocally declared himself an enemy to Trump.

Anti-Trumpers are upset because they secretly hope Brennan might be using his security clearance and former connections to conspire to hurt Trump somehow. That's not a good look though so they'll put up a cryin' wolf smokescreen about how it's "overreaching" and "fascist". Delusional at best.

Little lying snakes.
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Uncle Choad
08/15/18 4:04:59 PM
#47:


Coffeebeanz posted...
I think any normal person should be super uncomfortable with the way Trump is handling positions of power.


Luckily we'll have something else to be outraged about by the end of the week. I'm still FUMING about doubling tariffs on Turkey.
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s0nicfan
08/15/18 4:05:02 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Nobody should retain clearance after being let go. It doesn't happen in any other situation and solely happens here due to nepotism so former staffers can go right into lobbying without having to reapply for clearance. The fact that this has been common practice for so long, and continues to be common practice, is the height of stupidity.

It's not nepotism, as much as I like calling politicians out for that. And a security clearance is like a license, which you do in fact keep after the job.


You need to justify your clearance at least once a year. You don't keep it perpetually, and at higher clearances your need to know is revoked immediately when its no longer necessary.
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P4wn4g3
08/15/18 4:06:33 PM
#49:


Funbazooka posted...
Brennan unequivocally declared himself an enemy to Trump.

Anti-Trumpers are upset because they secretly hope Brennan might be using his security clearance and former connections to conspire to hurt Trump somehow. That's not a good look though so they'll put up a cryin' wolf smokescreen about how it's "overreaching" and "fascist". Delusional at best.

Little lying snakes.

I mean, it's stupid to think that revoking his clearance would magically make his memory disappear. Or make his contacts disappear. If you're a senior official in the Intelligence community at any point you're basically in for life not matter what politics wants to say about it.
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DarkTransient
08/15/18 4:08:18 PM
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The best way to react to liberals whining about non-issues with the current administration, honestly, is to ignore them; just like we did with conservatives whining about non-issues with the previous one. Except even better here, because liberals fully lose their shit when they don't get the attention they crave. When they raise an actual valid point, maybe we'll consider listening.
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