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King_Hellebuyck
08/12/18 10:18:14 PM
#102:


Coffeebeanz posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Racists fight racists


the fuck are you talking about?


i think she's saying that neo nazis and antifa commies are both racists, and they were the two groups that were predominately represented at the protests today


That is an amazingly stupid thing to say. And that is not what she was saying.

But let me criticize the argument (which she didn't make) :

Nazis are like "minorities must die"
Counter-protestors are like "We reject nazis"

Where is the counter-protester racism there? Heck, most of the counter protesters were white. Pretending there is a moral or legitimacy equivalency between literal neo-nazis and people protesting against nazism is dishonest and stupid


I was specifically referring to Nazi-on-White Supremacist violence. The best thing to come out of all this.

Video of this?
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Funbazooka
08/12/18 10:18:33 PM
#103:


Bishop9800 posted...
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They held their rally tho. I watched some livestreams. Their small group had a few speakers who got up and spoke in front of the press while the protesters gathered and chanted.


So, what did they say that you threw your surport behind them?

Oh man, they were so bummed I couldn't be there with them!

I support freedom of speech, which applies to them too.
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Coffeebeanz
08/12/18 10:19:44 PM
#104:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Racists fight racists


the fuck are you talking about?


i think she's saying that neo nazis and antifa commies are both racists, and they were the two groups that were predominately represented at the protests today


That is an amazingly stupid thing to say. And that is not what she was saying.

But let me criticize the argument (which she didn't make) :

Nazis are like "minorities must die"
Counter-protestors are like "We reject nazis"

Where is the counter-protester racism there? Heck, most of the counter protesters were white. Pretending there is a moral or legitimacy equivalency between literal neo-nazis and people protesting against nazism is dishonest and stupid


I was specifically referring to Nazi-on-White Supremacist violence. The best thing to come out of all this.

Video of this?


I don't know if it's recorded. Just heard about it on the radio driving home. Some supremacist ripped off a Nazi dude's swastika armband and they went at it.
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 10:21:02 PM
#105:


Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Antifa might be scum, but Nazis are Nazis. Nazis are so obviously evil, only a psychopath would call himself one


it's true that nazis are more obviously evil. their evil is self-evident and blatant. with commies it's a lot more hidden behind moral posturing and the consequences are not visible until later on.




about as valuable as any of your regular responses, tbqh


You've decided to spew shit, so I'm just following suit.


any of your posts on politics are basically because you've outright said you're a revolutionary communist, buddy


I'm not a Nazi or some fool who thinks Nazis and communists are equivalently morally bad, so my track record is pretty good relative to certain people itt


communists were responsible for killing close to 100 million people in the 20th century. the ideology is hideous and irredeemable.

it's understandable why some people become communists, whereas it's never understandable for someone to be a neo nazi since nazism has nothing redeemable about it. but ultimately communism is evil as well and the people who refuse to admit as much are not reliable in their criticisms of any worldview. it's important to call out both worldviews. in the case of antifa opposing nazis, it's not because antifa is on the people's side. it's because antifa just want to roll out their own brand of violence and catastrophe like in the 20th century.
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Funbazooka
08/12/18 10:21:04 PM
#106:


Coffeebeanz posted...
and they went at it.

Whoa
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thanosibe
08/12/18 10:21:35 PM
#107:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
and i couldn't care less about proving you wrong about anything because your opinion is utterly worthless to me on account of how you interpreted my previous post in such vile bad faith.

how long have you been 15 for?
Lol youre on track to be the newest best selling shit poster on CE. Lol. Lets not actually debate, lets just shit post and insult
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muchdran
08/12/18 10:21:43 PM
#108:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...

Are you trying to get sympathy for the white supremacists?


I want sympathy for the police that had the shit job of guaranteeing their Constitutional rights against savage commies and for the tax payers that suffered as a result.

Theyre not slaves and theyre getting overtime pay. Get over it.

Having to be away from your family because antifa is violent terrorist group
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LinksLiege
08/12/18 10:22:06 PM
#109:


Coffeebeanz posted...
I don't know if it's recorded. Just heard about it on the radio driving home. Some supremacist ripped off a Nazi dude's swastika armband and they went at it.

In an ideal world these two sides would slaughter each other and leave the rest of us to move on but, oh well.
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Shuto-uke
08/12/18 10:22:19 PM
#110:


Coffeebeanz posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Racists fight racists


the fuck are you talking about?


i think she's saying that neo nazis and antifa commies are both racists, and they were the two groups that were predominately represented at the protests today


That is an amazingly stupid thing to say. And that is not what she was saying.

But let me criticize the argument (which she didn't make) :

Nazis are like "minorities must die"
Counter-protestors are like "We reject nazis"

Where is the counter-protester racism there? Heck, most of the counter protesters were white. Pretending there is a moral or legitimacy equivalency between literal neo-nazis and people protesting against nazism is dishonest and stupid


I was specifically referring to Nazi-on-White Supremacist violence. The best thing to come out of all this.


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King_Hellebuyck
08/12/18 10:22:56 PM
#111:


Coffeebeanz posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Coffeebeanz posted...
Racists fight racists


the fuck are you talking about?


i think she's saying that neo nazis and antifa commies are both racists, and they were the two groups that were predominately represented at the protests today


That is an amazingly stupid thing to say. And that is not what she was saying.

But let me criticize the argument (which she didn't make) :

Nazis are like "minorities must die"
Counter-protestors are like "We reject nazis"

Where is the counter-protester racism there? Heck, most of the counter protesters were white. Pretending there is a moral or legitimacy equivalency between literal neo-nazis and people protesting against nazism is dishonest and stupid


I was specifically referring to Nazi-on-White Supremacist violence. The best thing to come out of all this.

Video of this?


I don't know if it's recorded. Just heard about it on the radio driving home. Some supremacist ripped off a Nazi dude's swastika armband and they went at it.

Thats amazing
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King_Hellebuyck
08/12/18 10:24:29 PM
#112:


muchdran posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...

Are you trying to get sympathy for the white supremacists?


I want sympathy for the police that had the shit job of guaranteeing their Constitutional rights against savage commies and for the tax payers that suffered as a result.

Theyre not slaves and theyre getting overtime pay. Get over it.

Having to be away from your family because antifa is violent terrorist group

Oh no not being away from their families while theyre at work thats completely unheard of wow oh geez poor them oh my god are they okay wow away from their families while working at their job voluntarily oh geez
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Coffeebeanz
08/12/18 10:25:56 PM
#113:


Apparently not all white supremacists like Nazis. They're not exactly the same in terms of views. That means they're ripe for wrecking each other if a little discord is sewn between them.
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RickyTheBAWSE
08/12/18 10:27:58 PM
#114:


Freedom of Speech also allows for people to criticize your usage of your Freedom of Speech. if you have have a problem with people disagreeing with your speech, either intelligently back up your point, or just back out and go home.
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The Great Muta 22
08/12/18 10:32:55 PM
#115:


To basically copy my post from 261 about this subject:

The fact is you're unlikely to ever see what we saw in Charlottesville ever again, at least not for a few good years. That rally and eventual brawl was the, for lack of a better word, "perfect" string of events to lead to that horrible end result. Basically when the event came to rise a lot of the mainstream appeal of the "alt-right" tag still existed, with many people on this site still identifying as one. The original Unite the Right rally was able to hide their white nationalist roots barely, and along the way ended up recruiting people who actually represented harden neo-nazi groups who have affiliations with the actual Aryan Brotherhood that are in fucking maximum security jail. You then had shit posters from places like /pol/ and the shitholes of the internet like 8chan going out to a "torch rally" around Robert E Lee, chanting all sorts of horrific shit, and hyping everyone up for the next day.

Then we get to the rally itself, which was a shitshow of these alt right online dweebs mixed with redneck hate groups and stirred with criminal neo-nazis against a larger crowd of pissed off people against Trump and a police force who didn't give a fuck, and it ended in a brawl and a woman's death. And it also ended with each part of these groups splintering back to the cess pools of society, where they should be shunned and ignored for the losers that they are. The media, from "both sides", are desperate to get another event like Charlottesville because as tragic as it was, controversy sells. And hopefully we never see shit like that again.
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Shuto-uke
08/12/18 10:42:06 PM
#116:


Coffeebeanz posted...
Apparently not all white supremacists like Nazis. They're not exactly the same in terms of views. That means they're ripe for wrecking each other if a little discord is sewn between them.


Real nazis didn't see the Russians, Poles and Italians as white.
Neo-nazis and white supremacists do. Actually, there is a huge number of Russian and Italian supremacists.
But neo-nazis still want to use the "traditional" symbols while the alt-right thinks they can just change fashion choices (so, change swastikas for MAGA caps with khakhi pants) and be perceived as wholesome, so they clash heads a lot.

In the end they're all the same garbage.
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gunplagirl
08/12/18 10:45:23 PM
#117:


Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 10:46:56 PM
#118:


gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.
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The Great Muta 22
08/12/18 10:48:19 PM
#119:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.


It also didn't have legit neo-nazi and klan groups actually attending, plus it wasn't promoted on The_Donald where a lot of the chuds from the first one didn't know what they were getting into
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 10:49:15 PM
#121:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.


It was also legit neo-nazi and klan groups not actually attending, plus it was promoted on The_Donald where a lot of the chuds from the first one didn't know what they were getting into


public mockery and discourse basically demolished alt-right membership. more on that from Steven Pinker in Enlightenment Now if you're interested. fantastic book on all kinds of positive trends, including why populism on either the far left or far right is doomed to fail.
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The Great Muta 22
08/12/18 10:53:31 PM
#122:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.


It was also legit neo-nazi and klan groups not actually attending, plus it was promoted on The_Donald where a lot of the chuds from the first one didn't know what they were getting into


public mockery and discourse basically demolished alt-right membership. more on that from Steven Pinker in Enlightenment Now if you're interested. fantastic book on all kinds of positive trends, including why populism on either the far left or far right is doomed to fail.


I reworded what I said as it wasn't correct. But basically this rally lacked the legitimacy of the first one. The first was absolutely promoted to all these groups directly as a "Rise of neo-nazism" rally to the 'harder' side of those groups, plus it brought in a lot of the shit posters on places like The_Donald and the chans who didn't know what the fuck they were getting into.

Likewise this one was after everyone knew who exactly Jason Kessler was and, for lack of a better word, how fucking soft that dough boy is, and the groups that actually mobilized for Charlottesville just didn't get involved. That's not to say there's not a group of a couple thousand of them out there, just that they don't view Kessler as their leader of anything.

Meanwhile shitposters online mostly kept out because they saw how bad life turned out for those identified at the first rally. They're all hat no cattle, to use a phrase
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Funbazooka
08/12/18 10:56:04 PM
#123:


There was at least some rationale for the first one. Protesting taking down the Robert E Lee statue or whatever but this go around, what's it for? I think it's pure stubbornness. They didn't even really have anything important to say.
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gunplagirl
08/12/18 10:56:28 PM
#124:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.

So they WEREN'T afraid of being beat to a pulp? Instead, they were afraid of being doxxed... By antifa counter protestors who would capture footage of the supremacists and spread their faces like wildfire. The same antifa folk who actually publicly mocked the supremacists in person... And who actually show up in groups magnitudes higher than the supremacists at these events.

Gosh, that's some Olympic podium levels of mental gymnastics you just did just to deny antifa their victory.
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DarkProto05
08/12/18 10:59:05 PM
#125:


@gunplagirl what is your race and sex if you mind me asking?
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 10:59:57 PM
#126:


gunplagirl posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.

So they WEREN'T afraid of being beat to a pulp? Instead, they were afraid of being doxxed... By antifa counter protestors who would capture footage of the supremacists and spread their faces like wildfire. The same antifa folk who actually publicly mocked the supremacists in person... And who actually show up in groups magnitudes higher than the supremacists at these events.

Gosh, that's some Olympic podium levels of mental gymnastics you just did just to deny antifa their victory.


i realize youre really eager for political violence because of how you want Marxists to execute anyone who is successful, but this is all delusional. Antifa people got doxxed and faced punishment too. no one actually likes them that isn't them, and there's ample evidence of this.

the sane portions of society vocally oppose both groups because both groups represent a humanitarian and civil crisis just waiting to happen if their brand of violent authoritarianism takes over.
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gunplagirl
08/12/18 11:00:45 PM
#127:


DarkProto05 posted...
@gunplagirl what is your race and sex if you mind me asking?

Human and no thanks I'm full
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The Great Muta 22
08/12/18 11:00:50 PM
#128:


Funbazooka posted...
There was at least some rationale for the first one. Protesting taking down the Robert E Lee statue or whatever but this go around, what's it for? I think it's pure stubbornness. They didn't even really have anything important to say.


That was an obvious ploy though, to anyone watching who followed it prior and leading into it. I mean the fucking banner online, which again I have to say was promoted on The_Donald before the heat got too much the day of the event when they saw Swastikas and they shut it down, was this:

7EhZAXh

Like come on!, this is fucking courting hardcore neo-nazi and KKK groups
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gunplagirl
08/12/18 11:02:12 PM
#129:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.

So they WEREN'T afraid of being beat to a pulp? Instead, they were afraid of being doxxed... By antifa counter protestors who would capture footage of the supremacists and spread their faces like wildfire. The same antifa folk who actually publicly mocked the supremacists in person... And who actually show up in groups magnitudes higher than the supremacists at these events.

Gosh, that's some Olympic podium levels of mental gymnastics you just did just to deny antifa their victory.


i realize youre really eager for political violence because of how you want Marxists to execute anyone who is successful, but this is all delusional. Antifa people got doxxed and faced punishment too. no one actually likes them that isn't them, and there's ample evidence of this.

the sane portions of society vocally oppose both groups because both groups represent a humanitarian and civil crisis just waiting to happen if their brand of violent authoritarianism takes over.


And your basis for the impending antifa humanitarian crisis is...? I get you're a shill gimmick poster and always have been even before this account but still.
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Funbazooka
08/12/18 11:02:49 PM
#130:


You'd think Antifa would have been happy about the pathetically low turnout but they had to go and assault cops anyway.

They came to fight and doggone it, they're gonna do their best to make it happen.
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DarkProto05
08/12/18 11:03:30 PM
#131:


gunplagirl posted...
DarkProto05 posted...
@gunplagirl what is your race and sex if you mind me asking?

Human and no thanks I'm full

I respect that. Corny joke though.
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King_Hellebuyck
08/12/18 11:03:54 PM
#132:


Funbazooka posted...
You'd think Antifa would have been happy about the pathetically low turnout but they had to go and assault cops anyway.

They came to fight and doggone it, they're gonna do their best to make it happen.

Just curious, how many counter protesters have been accused of assault?
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gunplagirl
08/12/18 11:04:23 PM
#133:


DarkProto05 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
DarkProto05 posted...
@gunplagirl what is your race and sex if you mind me asking?

Human and no thanks I'm full

I respect that. Corny joke though.

I actually avoid corn because it's virtually unchanged going in or out
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A_Good_Boy
08/12/18 11:04:52 PM
#134:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
Like come on!, this is fucking courting hardcore neo-nazi and KKK groups

Pretty sure funbazooka is still stuck in 2016 and is pretending like some of those symbols don't have an association with white supremacists.
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 11:04:58 PM
#135:


gunplagirl posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.

So they WEREN'T afraid of being beat to a pulp? Instead, they were afraid of being doxxed... By antifa counter protestors who would capture footage of the supremacists and spread their faces like wildfire. The same antifa folk who actually publicly mocked the supremacists in person... And who actually show up in groups magnitudes higher than the supremacists at these events.

Gosh, that's some Olympic podium levels of mental gymnastics you just did just to deny antifa their victory.


i realize youre really eager for political violence because of how you want Marxists to execute anyone who is successful, but this is all delusional. Antifa people got doxxed and faced punishment too. no one actually likes them that isn't them, and there's ample evidence of this.

the sane portions of society vocally oppose both groups because both groups represent a humanitarian and civil crisis just waiting to happen if their brand of violent authoritarianism takes over.


And your basis for the impending antifa humanitarian crisis is...?


the fact that antifa is just violent stalinist / maoist communism festering beneath the hood, and we all know the horrors of the Red Guard in China and the Antifaschistische Aktion in Germany

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html
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gunplagirl
08/12/18 11:08:29 PM
#136:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Did anyone in this topic rightfully thank antifa tactics for this flop white supremacist rally?


violent antifa didn't do shit. it was public mockery and discourse that accomplished this.

So they WEREN'T afraid of being beat to a pulp? Instead, they were afraid of being doxxed... By antifa counter protestors who would capture footage of the supremacists and spread their faces like wildfire. The same antifa folk who actually publicly mocked the supremacists in person... And who actually show up in groups magnitudes higher than the supremacists at these events.

Gosh, that's some Olympic podium levels of mental gymnastics you just did just to deny antifa their victory.


i realize youre really eager for political violence because of how you want Marxists to execute anyone who is successful, but this is all delusional. Antifa people got doxxed and faced punishment too. no one actually likes them that isn't them, and there's ample evidence of this.

the sane portions of society vocally oppose both groups because both groups represent a humanitarian and civil crisis just waiting to happen if their brand of violent authoritarianism takes over.


And your basis for the impending antifa humanitarian crisis is...?


the fact that antifa is just violent stalinist / maoist communism festering beneath the hood, and we all know the horrors of the Red Guard in China and the Antifaschistische Aktion in Germany

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html


lol an opinion piece

And you always conflate vocal black bloc participants with antifa. Literally anyone who opposes fascism is antifa. Anyone who advocates for women to have equal rights is feminist. Etc. And there's plenty of different mindsets from antifa groups that vary. Like, can you maybe give some fucking effort or should I just shitpost all over your topics since it's still more intellectually stimulating than any of the utter lies you espouse on a regular basis.
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Funbazooka
08/12/18 11:09:52 PM
#137:


A_Good_Boy posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Like come on!, this is fucking courting hardcore neo-nazi and KKK groups

Pretty sure funbazooka is still stuck in 2016 and is pretending like some of those symbols don't have an association with white supremacists.

I haven't commented about symbols.

I can post a Pepe if that'll make you happy though. I have a few rare Pepes too
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 11:11:46 PM
#138:


nope. Antifa is a very specific thing that has a lot more to it than simply opposing fascism. that's a dishonest definition. just like it's dishonest to say feminism is anyone who advocates for equal rights. anyone who hasn't lived under a rock, and who exhibits the capacity for even a iota of nuance, understands the connotation behind both modern interpretations of those words.

no doubt there are anti-fascists who aren't stalinists or maoists. but the overwhelming trend and underlying force beneath those masked thugs who hit people over the head with tire locks and who riot...is exactly as i described. it's not a secret, plenty of the organized groups outright say that they're Marxist. like the Red Guard.
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The Great Muta 22
08/12/18 11:11:48 PM
#139:


Funbazooka posted...
You'd think Antifa would have been happy about the pathetically low turnout but they had to go and assault cops anyway.

They came to fight and doggone it, they're gonna do their best to make it happen.


I really want to know your rationale for the first one still. What does tearing down statues that were erected well past the Civil War and in a time of Civil Rights have to do to make a neo-nazi march have some "rationale"?
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The Great Muta 22
08/12/18 11:12:55 PM
#140:


Funbazooka posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
The Great Muta 22 posted...
Like come on!, this is fucking courting hardcore neo-nazi and KKK groups

Pretty sure funbazooka is still stuck in 2016 and is pretending like some of those symbols don't have an association with white supremacists.

I haven't commented about symbols.

I can post a Pepe if that'll make you happy though. I have a few rare Pepes too


Imagine still clinging to Pepe in 2018. Dude, get some new material lmao
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King_Hellebuyck
08/12/18 11:14:03 PM
#141:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
@Funbazooka posted...
You'd think Antifa would have been happy about the pathetically low turnout but they had to go and assault cops anyway.

They came to fight and doggone it, they're gonna do their best to make it happen.

Just curious, how many counter protesters have been accused of assault?

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gunplagirl
08/12/18 11:17:13 PM
#143:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
nope. Antifa is a very specific thing that has a lot more to it than simply opposing fascism. that's a dishonest definition. just like it's dishonest to say feminism is anyone who advocates for equal rights. anyone who hasn't lived under a rock, and who exhibits the capacity for even a iota of nuance, understands the connotation behind both modern interpretations of those words.

no doubt there are anti-fascists who aren't stalinists or maoists. but the overwhelming trend and underlying force beneath those masked thugs who hit people over the head with tire locks and who riot...is exactly as i described. it's not a secret, plenty of the organized groups outright say that they're Marxist. like the Red Guard.


Ah yes so you concede words have taken on additional meanings lately? Like how thug is a coded word for black people. Glad you agree.

As for masks, the police fire tear gas like it's a party favor at this point.

And you really won't even stop to consider why comparing them to the red guard is intellectually dishonest.

For what it's worth, Putin is a capitalist and Russia isn't communist and hasn't been in decades. I'm unsure if you're in the "embrace Russia" school of thought or the "if Russia did actually do anything and trump can't get out, play the red scare mindset card" school.
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08/12/18 11:17:20 PM
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Capitalism had nothing to do with any of those things. Slavery, genocide, revolution, wars, conquest...they all existed and were practiced before capitalism was even a thing.

Communism as an economic and philosophical model necessary collapses economies and countries, though, and that is why we can argue that it is responsible for the mass starvation and poverty it introduced into places like the Soviet Union and various eastern European countries and etc.
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King_Hellebuyck
08/12/18 11:17:46 PM
#145:


Godnorgosh posted...
Let's take Proudclad's very twisted reality for granted and assume that Marxism and Stalinism are basically the same. If we consider the slave trade, colonial-era genocides, the bourgeois revolutions of the 17th-21st centuries, wars motivated by imperialism, and so on, capitalism's death toll is obscenely higher, and thus anyone caught advocating for such a system ought to be reviled just on the basis of that figure.

How about instead of both of you getting into annoying arguments you just stop engaging his stupid rhetoric and explain how you want communism to work without starving half the population
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DrizztLink
08/12/18 11:18:48 PM
#146:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
Capitalism had nothing to do with any of those things. Slavery,

...yes clearly the buying and selling of goods has nothing to do with the buying and selling of people
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 11:19:00 PM
#147:


gunplagirl posted...
Ah yes so you concede words have taken on additional meanings lately? Like how thug is a coded word for black people. Glad you agree.

As for masks, the police fire tear gas like it's a party favor at this point.


How is any of this relevant? And you're basically conceding that I'm right and that it's incorrect and reductive to say that antifa just means anyone who opposes fascism.

gunplagirl posted...
And you really won't even stop to consider why comparing them to the red guard is intellectually dishonest.


Uh, there's a modern group that still calls itself the Red Guard. And they're still active. >_>

gunplagirl posted...
For what it's worth, Putin is a capitalist and Russia isn't communist and hasn't been in decades. I'm unsure if you're in the "embrace Russia" school of thought or the "if Russia did actually do anything and trump can't get out, play the red scare mindset card" school.


Good job trying so hard to formulate some bizarre Catch-22 where you're always right and I'm always wrong.
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 11:19:59 PM
#148:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Let's take Proudclad's very twisted reality for granted and assume that Marxism and Stalinism are basically the same. If we consider the slave trade, colonial-era genocides, the bourgeois revolutions of the 17th-21st centuries, wars motivated by imperialism, and so on, capitalism's death toll is obscenely higher, and thus anyone caught advocating for such a system ought to be reviled just on the basis of that figure.

How about instead of both of you getting into annoying arguments you just stop engaging his stupid rhetoric and explain how you want communism to work without starving half the population


He has tried, I have a lot of those conversations saved. His worldview is completely incoherent and falls apart whenever he tries to explain the logistics at all. You can trust me when I say that he has no idea how it could work without reverting humanity to a backbreaking agricultural type of living.
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gunplagirl
08/12/18 11:20:24 PM
#149:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Let's take Proudclad's very twisted reality for granted and assume that Marxism and Stalinism are basically the same. If we consider the slave trade, colonial-era genocides, the bourgeois revolutions of the 17th-21st centuries, wars motivated by imperialism, and so on, capitalism's death toll is obscenely higher, and thus anyone caught advocating for such a system ought to be reviled just on the basis of that figure.

How about instead of both of you getting into annoying arguments you just stop engaging his stupid rhetoric and explain how you want communism to work without starving half the population


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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 11:21:14 PM
#150:


DrizztLink posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Capitalism had nothing to do with any of those things. Slavery,

...yes clearly the buying and selling of goods has nothing to do with the buying and selling of people


Societies thought of other people as less than human before capitalism was a thing.

Ironically, the greatest collapse in slavery occurred as the planet became more capitalistic. Because commerce and markets and currency replaced the need for war and conquest as means through which you can acquire land/property/resources. Which made society much more peaceful and free than what it was a few hundred years ago.

You should read The Better Angels of Our Nature for a graphical breakdown of how violence, slavery, etc, have declined for these and other reasons.
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FLUFFYGERM
08/12/18 11:21:48 PM
#151:


gunplagirl posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Godnorgosh posted...
Let's take Proudclad's very twisted reality for granted and assume that Marxism and Stalinism are basically the same. If we consider the slave trade, colonial-era genocides, the bourgeois revolutions of the 17th-21st centuries, wars motivated by imperialism, and so on, capitalism's death toll is obscenely higher, and thus anyone caught advocating for such a system ought to be reviled just on the basis of that figure.

How about instead of both of you getting into annoying arguments you just stop engaging his stupid rhetoric and explain how you want communism to work without starving half the population


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I mean, thanks for not even hiding it anymore and outright admitting that what I said was right. Some of the communists on CE still hide and pretend that they're not really after violent slaughter of entire classes of people.

@ASithLord7

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