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Forlorn_Ass
08/01/18 12:47:45 PM
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cerealbox760 posted...
Untraceable fully automatic guns. Here we come. How long until we have guns that can make it past security clearance? You know a sort of Lego gun that can be put together after passing security? Theres no end to how creative people can get, especially those who want to a make statement.


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darkjedilink
08/01/18 12:53:24 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/3d-printed-gun-cody-wilson-says-gun-access-fundamental-human-right/
But to fund his legal fight, Wilson's company sells milling machines, which come pre-loaded with design files that allow anyone to make their own AR-15 or 1911 handgun in about two days with no serial number and no screening. They retail for $2,000 and there's a three-month backlog.

Go to their website and see how wrong you are.
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 12:54:34 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Whats more concerning right now is that the GameFAQs guy who bought his P90 could potentially get around every single current gun law and make his P90 fully automatic.

Not with plastic, he can't.
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Foppe
08/01/18 12:55:21 PM
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Why ask when they are already out there?
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 12:56:08 PM
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Superlinkbro posted...
With some way to permit people and a fee for the plans, sure.

Do we even know how well these work compared to a real gun? I can't imagine these being good as a real firearm.

They are 'real' firearms. It's just the chassis of the gun - the barrel, chamber, select-fire mechanism, safety, etc. are all metal replacement parts for a 'real' gun.
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AlephZero
08/01/18 12:58:34 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
Whats more concerning right now is that the GameFAQs guy who bought his P90 could potentially get around every single current gun law and make his P90 fully automatic.

Auto sears are not complicated technology. The USPTO freely distributes the knowledge needed to make one and has for decades (probably close to a century now).
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ssjevot
08/01/18 12:59:37 PM
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LightHawKnight posted...
ssjevot posted...
cerealbox760 posted...
Untraceable fully automatic guns. Here we come. How long until we have guns that can make it past security clearance? You know a sort of Lego gun that can be put together after passing security? Theres no end to how creative people can get, especially those who want to a make statement.


How would you get the bullets through security?


Use one of those portable 3D printers once past security?


Bullets require an explosive. You can't print explosive chemicals. Those chemicals will be detected going through security. It's just not going to happen.
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ssjevot
08/01/18 1:09:47 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
ssjevot posted...
Those chemicals will be detected going through security. It's just not going to happen.

Thats putting a lot of faith in security. I can think of a few ways around that depending on the situation and level of security.


How would you get the chemicals into the bullet even if you could get them through? It just prints plastic. I mean if you think you can sneak a functional bullet that easily people could just use a hammer and a pipe to make a crude single shot gun.
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 1:15:06 PM
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ssjevot posted...
It just prints plastic.

Nuh-uh! A pocket 3D printer can make a fully-loaded and fully-automatic AR-15 in seconds, anywhere in the world!

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Gun grabbers aren't worthy of respect.
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 1:26:31 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/3d-printed-gun-cody-wilson-says-gun-access-fundamental-human-right/
But to fund his legal fight, Wilson's company sells milling machines, which come pre-loaded with design files that allow anyone to make their own AR-15 or 1911 handgun in about two days with no serial number and no screening. They retail for $2,000 and there's a three-month backlog.

Go to their website and see how wrong you are.

I tried after I saw the CBS article. Either their mobile version sucks or theyve locked down the site to non-registered users. Not that it matters, whether or not you can print a full AR15 or not is beside the point. The point is that people can use the printer to game the system and gain access to unregistered weapons (by milling what they need and buying the rest on the used market) or make weapon mods.

Another thing to consider is that youre not just limited to plastic in all cases. I used to own a laser engraver and the same company also sold a CNC milling machine that worked with metal. So you cant just say that this plastic stuff is junk and isnt usable, because were fast approaching a time where that wont be the case.

Banning this stuff is about getting ahead of the problem and not waiting for it to become an epidemic.

It's not 'gaming the system.' Making your own weapons is 100 percent legal - not a loophole.
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AlephZero
08/01/18 1:26:33 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
The point is that people can use the printer to game the system and gain access to unregistered weapons (by milling what they need and buying the rest on the used market) or make weapon mods.

Home manufacturing of firearms has been legal since the founding of this country.
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Freddie_Mercury
08/01/18 1:27:17 PM
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weve tried nothing and were all out of ideas
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 1:29:42 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
ssjevot posted...
How would you get the chemicals into the bullet even if you could get them through? It just prints plastic.

What? You just buy a normal bullet. What are you talking about?

Those won't pass a metal detector.
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AlephZero
08/01/18 1:30:16 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
ssjevot posted...
How would you get the chemicals into the bullet even if you could get them through? It just prints plastic.

What? You just buy a normal bullet. What are you talking about?

How are you planning to get ammunition containing both metal and explosives through security?
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 1:33:02 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
AlephZero posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
The point is that people can use the printer to game the system and gain access to unregistered weapons (by milling what they need and buying the rest on the used market) or make weapon mods.

Home manufacturing of firearms has been legal since the founding of this country.

Yeah, because there use to be a skill gap there. A skill gap that no longer exists. Thats the point. Thats exactly why this wasnt an issue before now.

There really wasn't a 'skill gap' at all - carve a lower out of a tree, buy the rest from a smith.
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 1:34:03 PM
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Freddie_Mercury posted...
weve tried nothing and were all out of ideas

De-facto gun bans are 'nothing?'
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 1:37:20 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
AlephZero posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
ssjevot posted...
How would you get the chemicals into the bullet even if you could get them through? It just prints plastic.

What? You just buy a normal bullet. What are you talking about?

How are you planning to get ammunition containing both metal and explosives through security?

Like I said, it depends on security. Youre probably not getting past permanent security with dogs and metal detectors. But a minimum temp security for like an outdoor concert or just bare minimum security like a school? Sneaking in bullets wouldnt be difficult.

At that point, you could sneak in a regular firearm, so why are 3D-printed ones the problem?
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AlephZero
08/01/18 1:37:35 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
AlephZero posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
ssjevot posted...
How would you get the chemicals into the bullet even if you could get them through? It just prints plastic.

What? You just buy a normal bullet. What are you talking about?

How are you planning to get ammunition containing both metal and explosives through security?

Like I said, it depends on security. Youre probably not getting past permanent security with dogs and metal detectors. But a minimum temp security for like an outdoor concert or just bare minimum security like a school? Sneaking in bullets wouldnt be difficult.

If that's the security you're talking about then why does it matter if the firearm is printed or not? How is that situation any different than with a traditionally manufactured firearm?
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Foppe
08/01/18 1:38:01 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
AlephZero posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
The point is that people can use the printer to game the system and gain access to unregistered weapons (by milling what they need and buying the rest on the used market) or make weapon mods.

Home manufacturing of firearms has been legal since the founding of this country.

Yeah, because there use to be a skill gap there. A skill gap that no longer exists. Thats the point. Thats exactly why this wasnt an issue before now.

What are you talking about?
We have always had improved firearms in USA. Zip Guns were extremely popular in the 50s.
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josifrees
08/01/18 2:19:18 PM
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Here is a vice story that was done about Wilson and Defense Distributed...FIVE YEARS AGO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA" data-time="

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darkjedilink
08/01/18 2:20:40 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
AlephZero posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
The point is that people can use the printer to game the system and gain access to unregistered weapons (by milling what they need and buying the rest on the used market) or make weapon mods.

Home manufacturing of firearms has been legal since the founding of this country.

Yeah, because there use to be a skill gap there. A skill gap that no longer exists. Thats the point. Thats exactly why this wasnt an issue before now.

There really wasn't a 'skill gap' at all - carve a lower out of a tree, buy the rest from a smith.

Are you serious? Is your argument really that it takes no skill to make the lower part of an assault rifle out of a tree?

In 1776, no, it didn't.
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AlephZero
08/01/18 2:21:11 PM
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josifrees posted...
Here is a viceland story that was done about Wilson and Defense Distributed...FIVE YEARS AGO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA" data-time="

i was told that these plans would cause irreparable harm and millions of people would die if they were available for even a day

how is it possible that they've been available for years without any issues
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josifrees
08/01/18 2:21:50 PM
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What does having the skill to make firearms have to do with having the right to own firearms
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darkjedilink
08/01/18 6:04:36 PM
#83:


ClunkerSlim posted...
AlephZero posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
AlephZero posted...
ClunkerSlim posted...
ssjevot posted...
How would you get the chemicals into the bullet even if you could get them through? It just prints plastic.

What? You just buy a normal bullet. What are you talking about?

How are you planning to get ammunition containing both metal and explosives through security?

Like I said, it depends on security. Youre probably not getting past permanent security with dogs and metal detectors. But a minimum temp security for like an outdoor concert or just bare minimum security like a school? Sneaking in bullets wouldnt be difficult.

If that's the security you're talking about then why does it matter if the firearm is printed or not? How is that situation any different than with a traditionally manufactured firearm?

I never said it was. Somebody just said you couldnt sneak bullets past security and I said thats false. And lets face it, its easier to sneak in a few bullets than a full gun.

But how is it easier to get an AR-15 with a 3D-printed lower past security than a metal one?
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ssjevot
08/01/18 10:15:48 PM
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So is no one going to ask him to actually post instances of people sneaking bullets past security? Between the chemicals and metal it just isn't happening. I get my bag flagged if it has a metal button in it.
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darkjedilink
08/02/18 12:13:52 PM
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ClunkerSlim posted...
darkjedilink posted...
But how is it easier to get an AR-15 with a 3D-printed lower past security than a metal one?

I was thinking of the all plastic handgun. But I'm not the one who brought up sneaking stuff past security like something out of a spy movie. I just said that it's potentially possible when someone else claimed it wasn't. I said the biggest concerning was unregistered weapons and creating a path for people to get around background checks and other gun laws.

Show me an all-plastic handgun that can actually function.
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