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ASithLord7 08/02/18 2:33:24 PM #51:	Questionmarktarius posted... If you need an artificial pill to plug a hole in your diet, you're doing it wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:906151235] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>If you need an artificial pill to plug a hole in your diet, you're doing it wrong.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/02/18 2:33:33 PM #52:	Pepys Monster posted... s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... CookieV3 posted... Meat is delicious and nothing stops other omnivores from eating both. Diet reasons too, Chicken is a great source of protein for instance. My appetite is more important than your suffering can apply to every meat eater, not just humans. Humans are not obligate omnivores, and are capable of considering choice and morality that other animals are not. Nothing about this argument holds any water whatsoever. There's nothing amoral about eating animals unless you're religious. How do you figure? If anything, religious people use the excuse "God made the animals for us to eat" instead of thinking critically about how we're all animals and there's no good reason to cause unnecessary suffering and death to others. Exactly. We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill. Morality only comes into play with religion and humanity's perceived otherness. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:906151240] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pepys Monster posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CookieV3 posted...</cite> <quote>Meat is delicious and nothing stops other omnivores from eating both. Diet reasons too, Chicken is a great source of protein for instance. My appetite is more important than your suffering can apply to every meat eater, not just humans.</quote> Humans are not obligate omnivores, and are capable of considering choice and morality that other animals are not. Nothing about this argument holds any water whatsoever.</quote> There's nothing amoral about eating animals unless you're religious.</quote> How do you figure? If anything, religious people use the excuse "God made the animals for us to eat" instead of thinking critically about how we're all animals and there's no good reason to cause unnecessary suffering and death to others.</quote> Exactly. We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill. Morality only comes into play with religion and humanity's perceived otherness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 08/02/18 2:34:09 PM #53:	s0nicfan posted... We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill Are you going out and hunting your own prey? --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:906151276] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill</quote> Are you going out and hunting your own prey?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/02/18 2:36:03 PM #54:	ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill Are you going out and hunting your own prey? Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:906151367] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill</quote> Are you going out and hunting your own prey?</quote> Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
meestermj 08/02/18 2:37:05 PM #55:	I've killed and cooked my own food before. I could get a piglet, name it, raise it and love it, then turn it into a delicious Christmas ham. --- Psn: beastlytoast Left-handed fire-slapsies leave me feeling confused about life. - Merydia <cite>meestermj posted [p:906151420] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote>I've killed and cooked my own food before. I could get a piglet, name it, raise it and love it, then turn it into a delicious Christmas ham.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 08/02/18 2:37:15 PM #56:	s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill Are you going out and hunting your own prey? Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:906151431] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill</quote> Are you going out and hunting your own prey?</quote> Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it</quote> You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/02/18 2:37:56 PM #57:	ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill Are you going out and hunting your own prey? Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms. What's the difference absent god? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:906151473] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill</quote> Are you going out and hunting your own prey?</quote> Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it</quote> You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms.</quote> What's the difference absent god?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 08/02/18 2:38:43 PM #58:	s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill Are you going out and hunting your own prey? Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms. What's the difference absent god? What's the difference? Factory farms contribute greatly to climate change and pollution, and the animals are subjected to torturous conditions before being inhumanely killed? --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:906151519] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill</quote> Are you going out and hunting your own prey?</quote> Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it</quote> You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms.</quote> What's the difference absent god?</quote> What's the difference? Factory farms contribute greatly to climate change and pollution, and the animals are subjected to torturous conditions before being inhumanely killed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/02/18 2:41:07 PM #59:	ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill Are you going out and hunting your own prey? Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms. What's the difference absent god? What's the difference? Factory farms contribute greatly to climate change and pollution, and the animals are subjected to torturous conditions before being inhumanely killed? No other animal considers the suffering of its food. If humans are just animals and not God's creation, why should we be any different? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:906151643] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill</quote> Are you going out and hunting your own prey?</quote> Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it</quote> You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms.</quote> What's the difference absent god?</quote> What's the difference? Factory farms contribute greatly to climate change and pollution, and the animals are subjected to torturous conditions before being inhumanely killed?</quote> No other animal considers the suffering of its food. If humans are just animals and not God's creation, why should we be any different?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 08/02/18 2:41:32 PM #60:	s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... ASithLord7 posted... s0nicfan posted... We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill Are you going out and hunting your own prey? Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms. What's the difference absent god? What's the difference? Factory farms contribute greatly to climate change and pollution, and the animals are subjected to torturous conditions before being inhumanely killed? No other animal considers the suffering of its food. If humans are just animals and not God's creation, why should we be any different? You ignored the other half of my post. --- https://imgur.com/VZeCB RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:906151665] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>We're animals, and like all other animals with canines we get to eat the things we can kill</quote> Are you going out and hunting your own prey?</quote> Irrelevant if your argument is the morality of it</quote> You said "we can kill," so no it's not. And while I think hunting is immoral too, I have far less problem with that than someone who supports factory farms.</quote> What's the difference absent god?</quote> What's the difference? Factory farms contribute greatly to climate change and pollution, and the animals are subjected to torturous conditions before being inhumanely killed?</quote> No other animal considers the suffering of its food. If humans are just animals and not God's creation, why should we be any different?</quote> You ignored the other half of my post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/02/18 2:44:42 PM #61:	ASithLord7 posted... You ignored the other half of my post. If you want to argue the long-term benefit or harm of factory farming relative to environmental damage we can do that, but only if you concede that it's not a moral argument but a practical one. Those are two very different things. You have yet to convince me that doing something that every other animal on the planet does is amoral just because we do it better. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:906151830] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote> You ignored the other half of my post.</quote> If you want to argue the long-term benefit or harm of factory farming relative to environmental damage we can do that, but only if you concede that it's not a moral argument but a practical one. Those are two very different things. You have yet to convince me that doing something that every other animal on the planet does is amoral just because we do it better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krojen 08/02/18 2:54:48 PM #62:	ASithLord7 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... If you need an artificial pill to plug a hole in your diet, you're doing it wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature Even if we accept the ~nature feels appeal~, b12 was more likely naturally gotten from drinking untreated water from ponds than eating steak and eggs every day. We chlorinate water now and live in anything but a natural environment. You're not getting b12 the way nature intended from factory farmed animals that are stuffed with the supplements themselves. Or fortified foods/cereals, which is how many non vegans are getting a bulk of their b12 anyway. --- https://imgur.com/hI4hAMb <cite>Krojen posted [p:906152433] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>If you need an artificial pill to plug a hole in your diet, you're doing it wrong.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature</quote> Even if we accept the ~nature feels appeal~, b12 was more likely naturally gotten from drinking untreated water from ponds than eating steak and eggs every day. We chlorinate water now and live in anything but a natural environment. You're not getting b12 the way nature intended from factory farmed animals that are stuffed with the supplements themselves. Or fortified foods/cereals, which is how many non vegans are getting a bulk of their b12 anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lordgold666 08/02/18 2:58:43 PM #63:	Bc i need beef, chicken, or pork --- 3DS: 1848-2391-0198 "May the Father of Understanding guide us" <cite>Lordgold666 posted [p:906152638] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote>Bc i need beef, chicken, or pork</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/02/18 3:24:15 PM #64:	And here we see that once a vegetarian has failed to convince you that meat is amoral, they completely collapse in on their own argument and slink away, because outside of a sense of moral superiority they don't actually have a functional argument that would change their mind if the problem was solved. This is also why Sith took issue with hunters... there's no "factory pollution" argument to be made, but he STILL didn't like it... because the whole basis for his flawed perspective is moral in nature. Take that away... and he has nothing. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:906154073] in Why aren't... [t:76855441]...</cite> <quote>And here we see that once a vegetarian has failed to convince you that meat is amoral, they completely collapse in on their own argument and slink away, because outside of a sense of moral superiority they don't actually have a functional argument that would change their mind if the problem was solved. This is also why Sith took issue with hunters... there's no "factory pollution" argument to be made, but he STILL didn't like it... because the whole basis for his flawed perspective is moral in nature. Take that away... and he has nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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