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thanosibe 07/29/18 6:34:18 PM #51:	Questionmarktarius posted... thanosibe posted... Why does this board have such a hard on for Tactics? The gameplay and character advancement is vastly beyond the scope of the rest of the franchise. Also the plot is structured the exact opposite of the usual, in that Ramza remains just as clueless about what's going on as the player, all the way throughout. He's not some headstrong prettyboy out to defeat some prettier-boy whitehair or an evil tree, he just ends up doing those things anyway while getting dumped on by the plot. Also he's voiced by Phil Lamarr in the PSP port, which is always neat. It's even heavily implied, despite the bad translation(s), that all the shit Ramza's gang is doing isn't even the main plot. See I found it be massively boring. I think I played it between 8 and 9 and to me it just wasnt as good as 7 and 8. I gave it my all but tbf to the debate I didnt play the whole game and since have sold it. And that was at the height of FFs popularity and I heard almost zero about it. I guess it since gotten a following. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:905929591] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>Why does this board have such a hard on for Tactics?</quote> The gameplay and character advancement is vastly beyond the scope of the rest of the franchise. Also the plot is structured the exact opposite of the usual, in that Ramza remains just as clueless about what's going on as the player, all the way throughout. He's not some headstrong prettyboy out to defeat some prettier-boy whitehair or an evil tree, he just ends up doing those things anyway while getting dumped on by the plot. Also he's voiced by Phil Lamarr in the PSP port, which is always neat. It's even heavily implied, despite the bad translation(s), that all the shit Ramza's gang is doing isn't even the main plot.</quote>See I found it be massively boring. I think I played it between 8 and 9 and to me it just wasnt as good as 7 and 8. I gave it my all but tbf to the debate I didnt play the whole game and since have sold it. And that was at the height of FFs popularity and I heard almost zero about it. I guess it since gotten a following.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 07/29/18 6:35:52 PM #52:	thanosibe posted... See I found it be massively boring. I think I played it between 8 and 9 and to me it just wasnt as good as 7 and 8. I gave it my all but tbf to the debate I didnt play the whole game and since have sold it. And that was at the height of FFs popularity and heard almost zero about it. I guess it since gotten a following. I don't think it became really popular until War of the Lions on the PSP (Or was it the Vita?) where the story was a lot easier to understand. I hate that version, btw, but this topic isn't for that --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:905929662] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>See I found it be massively boring. I think I played it between 8 and 9 and to me it just wasnt as good as 7 and 8. I gave it my all but tbf to the debate I didnt play the whole game and since have sold it. And that was at the height of FFs popularity and heard almost zero about it. I guess it since gotten a following.</quote> I don't think it became really popular until War of the Lions on the PSP (Or was it the Vita?) where the story was a lot easier to understand. I hate that version, btw, but this topic isn't for that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yomi 07/29/18 6:36:35 PM #53:	Final Fantasy IX for me, it /really/ felt like a fantasy world. Everybody speaks very highly of VI and Tactics and I've never played those so I can't talk about them >_> but they're definitely on my list. --- Chez moi, il fait beau. <cite>Yomi posted [p:905929702] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>Final Fantasy IX for me, it /really/ felt like a fantasy world. Everybody speaks very highly of VI and Tactics and I've never played those so I can't talk about them >_> but they're definitely on my list.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 07/29/18 6:40:58 PM #54:	Yomi posted... Final Fantasy IX for me, it /really/ felt like a fantasy world. Everybody speaks very highly of VI and Tactics and I've never played those so I can't talk about them >_> but they're definitely on my list. Out of the numbered games, I do think 9 is a fantastic game. The only issue I had with it was the slow as fuck ATB, which I don't think is an issue anymore, but it was when I was playing it and it put a sour taste in my mouth. I have it at #3 on my favorite numbered (VII, V, IX) game, and #2 on best (VI, IX) --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:905929917] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Yomi posted...</cite> <quote>Final Fantasy IX for me, it /really/ felt like a fantasy world. Everybody speaks very highly of VI and Tactics and I've never played those so I can't talk about them >_> but they're definitely on my list.</quote> Out of the numbered games, I do think 9 is a fantastic game. The only issue I had with it was the slow as fuck ATB, which I don't think is an issue anymore, but it was when I was playing it and it put a sour taste in my mouth. I have it at #3 on my favorite numbered (VII, V, IX) game, and #2 on best (VI, IX)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 07/29/18 6:42:22 PM #55:	Bad_Mojo posted... thanosibe posted... See I found it be massively boring. I think I played it between 8 and 9 and to me it just wasnt as good as 7 and 8. I gave it my all but tbf to the debate I didnt play the whole game and since have sold it. And that was at the height of FFs popularity and heard almost zero about it. I guess it since gotten a following. I don't think it became really popular until War of the Lions on the PSP (Or was it the Vita?) where the story was a lot easier to understand. I hate that version, btw, but this topic isn't for that I was just curious. Tactics gets a lot of praise here so I was just trying to grasp the phenomenon. To the OP I voted FF8. Though another day I may vote FF7. Theyre almost at a tie. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:905929985] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bad_Mojo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>See I found it be massively boring. I think I played it between 8 and 9 and to me it just wasnt as good as 7 and 8. I gave it my all but tbf to the debate I didnt play the whole game and since have sold it. And that was at the height of FFs popularity and heard almost zero about it. I guess it since gotten a following.</quote> I don't think it became really popular until War of the Lions on the PSP (Or was it the Vita?) where the story was a lot easier to understand. I hate that version, btw, but this topic isn't for that</quote>I was just curious. Tactics gets a lot of praise here so I was just trying to grasp the phenomenon. To the OP I voted FF8. Though another day I may vote FF7. Theyre almost at a tie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 07/29/18 6:54:08 PM #56:	I don't like FF but I really really admire VI. Everything about the presentation and story is outstanding. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:905930515] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>I don't like FF but I really really admire VI. Everything about the presentation and story is outstanding.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TRC 07/29/18 10:09:04 PM #57:	FFT love going on here, I like it! :D <cite>TRC posted [p:905939428] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>FFT love going on here, I like it! :D</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SnoicFactor 07/29/18 10:10:45 PM #58:	tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest --- nt <cite>SnoicFactor posted [p:905939526] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
catboy0_0 07/29/18 10:12:47 PM #59:	Nomadic View posted... 6 (3 American) and 7 are the only two worth playing. wrong --- I obviously like you at least a little to even talk to you -cornman one day I hope to post a message so great it ends up in someones sig -Two_Dee <cite>catboy0_0 posted [p:905939637] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote>6 (3 American) and 7 are the only two worth playing.</quote> wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 07/29/18 11:34:31 PM #60:	TRC posted... FFT love going on here, I like it! :D I've been putting work in getting more and more people to play it At least that's what I think is happening since it's the game I always talk about on here for the past 17 years, lol --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:905943767] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>TRC posted...</cite> <quote>FFT love going on here, I like it! :D</quote> I've been putting work in getting more and more people to play it At least that's what I think is happening since it's the game I always talk about on here for the past 17 years, lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 07/29/18 11:50:07 PM #61:	SnoicFactor posted... tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:905944490] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>SnoicFactor posted...</cite> <quote>tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest</quote>Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pauIie 07/29/18 11:56:39 PM #62:	didn't expect y'all to get this right good on ya --- https://imgur.com/O5APL http://www.last.fm/user/jaeganja <cite>pauIie posted [p:905944769] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>didn't expect y'all to get this right good on ya</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
squarion 07/29/18 11:58:54 PM #63:	7 obviously --- Favorite Game of All Time: Donkey Kong Country 2 Favorite Characters: Solid Snake, Cloud Strife, Fei Fong Wong, Akuma & Mewtwo <cite>squarion posted [p:905944860] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>7 obviously</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 07/30/18 12:00:53 AM #64:	Mildly disappointed that mah boi VI is in 4th place, but at least grateful that IX isn't winning. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:905944933] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>Mildly disappointed that mah boi VI is in 4th place, but at least grateful that IX isn't winning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Second_Chances 07/30/18 12:01:51 AM #65:	V or IVDS <cite>Second_Chances posted [p:905944970] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>V or IVDS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 07/30/18 12:07:14 AM #66:	I'm amazed that Final Fantasy Tactics gets so much love. Although I think that it is a top five Final Fantasy, it has so many glaring flaws that are almost impossible to ignore. If we're speaking about its initial versions, the translation was so poor that, many times, it was difficult to follow some of the story. In terms of gameplay, too much time is spent on party management, but despite this, the game was so unbalanced and had a few ridiculous spikes in difficulty that, to most new players, were unavoidable. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:905945189] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>I'm amazed that Final Fantasy Tactics gets so much love. Although I think that it is a top five Final Fantasy, it has so many glaring flaws that are almost impossible to ignore. If we're speaking about its initial versions, the translation was so poor that, many times, it was difficult to follow some of the story. In terms of gameplay, too much time is spent on party management, but despite this, the game was so unbalanced and had a few ridiculous spikes in difficulty that, to most new players, were unavoidable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 07/30/18 12:07:41 AM #67:	masterpug53 posted... Mildly disappointed that mah boi VI is in 4th place, but at least grateful that IX isn't winning. Nine is greater than six. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:905945208] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote>Mildly disappointed that mah boi VI is in 4th place, but at least grateful that IX isn't winning.</quote> Nine is greater than six.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 07/30/18 1:31:12 AM #68:	Lathissamus posted... I'm amazed that Final Fantasy Tactics gets so much love. Although I think that it is a top five Final Fantasy, it has so many glaring flaws that are almost impossible to ignore. If we're speaking about its initial versions, the translation was so poor that, many times, it was difficult to follow some of the story. In terms of gameplay, too much time is spent on party management, but despite this, the game was so unbalanced and had a few ridiculous spikes in difficulty that, to most new players, were unavoidable. I strongly disagree. FFT was my first Tactical RPG game I ever played, and I didn't have any real issues with any of the fights in the game. Of course I struggled here and there, but nothing major to say it had a "ridiculous spike in difficulty" As for the story, I didn't have any real issues following it either. But to be fair, I don't really pay attention to too many video game stories. I don't skip anything, I just don't really think about it too much. (I know FFT's story really well now, though, lol) Too much time on party management? How so? I guess I've forgotten about this since I only do Solo Ramza runs now and I don't even do the random maps in between But hey, that's just my opinion. Thanks for sharing your's --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:905948370] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lathissamus posted...</cite> <quote>I'm amazed that Final Fantasy Tactics gets so much love. Although I think that it is a top five Final Fantasy, it has so many glaring flaws that are almost impossible to ignore. If we're speaking about its initial versions, the translation was so poor that, many times, it was difficult to follow some of the story. In terms of gameplay, too much time is spent on party management, but despite this, the game was so unbalanced and had a few ridiculous spikes in difficulty that, to most new players, were unavoidable.</quote> I strongly disagree. FFT was my first Tactical RPG game I ever played, and I didn't have any real issues with any of the fights in the game. Of course I struggled here and there, but nothing major to say it had a "ridiculous spike in difficulty" As for the story, I didn't have any real issues following it either. But to be fair, I don't really pay attention to too many video game stories. I don't skip anything, I just don't really think about it too much. (I know FFT's story really well now, though, lol) Too much time on party management? How so? I guess I've forgotten about this since I only do Solo Ramza runs now and I don't even do the random maps in between But hey, that's just my opinion. Thanks for sharing your's</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ving_Rhames 07/31/18 4:42:12 AM #70:	thanosibe posted... SnoicFactor posted... tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years. You said you voted for FF8. I dont think you have any room to talk. --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:906012418] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SnoicFactor posted...</cite> <quote>tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest</quote>Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years.</quote> You said you voted for FF8. I dont think you have any room to talk.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/31/18 10:01:03 AM #71:	thanosibe posted... SnoicFactor posted... tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years. Challenge accepted. Tactics > Blue Dragon > Bravely Default/Second > 5 > 10-2 > 3 > Octopath > FFMQ > 4HOL, i guess > the rest > 2 <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906020002] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SnoicFactor posted...</cite> <quote>tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest</quote>Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years.</quote> Challenge accepted. Tactics > Blue Dragon > Bravely Default/Second > 5 > 10-2 > 3 > Octopath > FFMQ > 4HOL, i guess > the rest > 2</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 07/31/18 11:02:31 AM #72:	Ving_Rhames posted... thanosibe posted... SnoicFactor posted... tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years. You said you voted for FF8. I dont think you have any room to talk. FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. Questionmarktarius posted... thanosibe posted... SnoicFactor posted... tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years. Challenge accepted. Tactics > Blue Dragon > Bravely Default/Second > 5 > 10-2 > 3 > Octopath > FFMQ > 4HOL, i guess > the rest > 2 Its pretty awful 7 and 8 are the rest and Tactics is that high. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:906022697] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ving_Rhames posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SnoicFactor posted...</cite> <quote>tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest</quote>Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years.</quote> You said you voted for FF8. I dont think you have any room to talk.</quote>FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SnoicFactor posted...</cite> <quote>tactics > 10 > 7 > 6 > 9 > rest</quote>Ranking 10 that high could be the worst opinion Ive seen on this forum in 10 years.</quote> Challenge accepted. Tactics > Blue Dragon > Bravely Default/Second > 5 > 10-2 > 3 > Octopath > FFMQ > 4HOL, i guess > the rest > 2</quote>Its pretty awful 7 and 8 are the rest and Tactics is that high.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
K181 07/31/18 11:03:20 AM #73:	VI and then IX. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. <cite>K181 posted [p:906022744] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>VI and then IX.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 07/31/18 11:05:29 AM #74:	8 Come at me bro --- 53 LIII p16 0x35 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:906022871] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>8 Come at me bro</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/31/18 11:10:51 AM #75:	thanosibe posted... FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. FF8 is one of the few games where I wanted to reach through the television and throttle several characters, on several occasions. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906023135] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. </quote> FF8 is one of the few games where I wanted to reach through the television and throttle several characters, on several occasions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 07/31/18 1:48:31 PM #76:	Questionmarktarius posted... thanosibe posted... FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. FF8 is one of the few games where I wanted to reach through the television and throttle several characters, on several occasions. That's exactly how I feel about 10 --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:906031554] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. </quote> FF8 is one of the few games where I wanted to reach through the television and throttle several characters, on several occasions.</quote>That's exactly how I feel about 10</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/31/18 2:25:50 PM #77:	thanosibe posted... That's exactly how I feel about 10 10-2 is arguably worse about it, but at least the weird 'dress-up' job system is amusing. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906033644] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>That's exactly how I feel about 10</quote> 10-2 is arguably worse about it, but at least the weird 'dress-up' job system is amusing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 08/01/18 1:13:23 AM #78:	8 is far, far worse than 10. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:906065989] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>8 is far, far worse than 10.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 08/01/18 7:01:59 AM #79:	thanosibe posted... FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. More forgettable than the non-Squall/Rinoa characters that had zero actual plot significance or relevance? 8 is down there with 2, theyre both bad for different reasons, but still both really fucking bad lol. --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:906073800] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. </quote> More forgettable than the non-Squall/Rinoa characters that had zero actual plot significance or relevance? 8 is down there with 2, theyre both bad for different reasons, but still both really fucking bad lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/02/18 4:35:43 AM #80:	Ving_Rhames posted... thanosibe posted... FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. More forgettable than the non-Squall/Rinoa characters that had zero actual plot significance or relevance? 8 is down there with 2, theyre both bad for different reasons, but still both really fucking bad lol. Easy now. The characters weren't the reason that 8 was great. I have it AND 10 in my top 5 numbered FFs. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:906129421] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ving_Rhames posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. </quote> More forgettable than the non-Squall/Rinoa characters that had zero actual plot significance or relevance? 8 is down there with 2, theyre both bad for different reasons, but still both really fucking bad lol.</quote> Easy now. The characters weren't the reason that 8 was great. I have it AND 10 in my top 5 numbered FFs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neverwin 08/02/18 5:05:20 AM #81:	FFXIV is the only real answer --- If you're so great then why do you corrupt those who are just as great? https://imgur.com/S0RN1 <cite>neverwin posted [p:906129919] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>FFXIV is the only real answer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 08/02/18 9:28:30 AM #82:	Kineth posted... The characters weren't the reason that 8 was great. I like Triple Triad and the Junction system as much as any FF8 fan. But everything else about that game is extremely questionable. And badly written characters can make a mediocre plot awful. --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:906136037] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>The characters weren't the reason that 8 was great. </quote> I like Triple Triad and the Junction system as much as any FF8 fan. But everything else about that game is extremely questionable. And badly written characters can make a mediocre plot awful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 08/02/18 9:34:27 AM #83:	I don't disagree, so ultimately, I think you're being too hard on the characters and the plot.. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:906136249] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>I don't disagree, so ultimately, I think you're being too hard on the characters and the plot..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 08/02/18 10:14:48 AM #84:	Kineth posted... Ving_Rhames posted... thanosibe posted... FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. More forgettable than the non-Squall/Rinoa characters that had zero actual plot significance or relevance? 8 is down there with 2, theyre both bad for different reasons, but still both really fucking bad lol. Easy now. The characters weren't the reason that 8 was great. I have it AND 10 in my top 5 numbered FFs. No they were only part of the reason. The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone. Instead of leveling up materia you draw spells and get familiarity with the GFs. So the battle and level up system weren't all that different, so it was easy to go from FF7 to FF8. Characters and story only play so much into my assessment of a good game. I've played FF8 many times since I bought it release day and I still don't know (or care really) wtf the story is about. All I know is no character in FF8 is as insufferable to the point I can't play the game, like Titus. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:906137908] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ving_Rhames posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>FF8 is a great game with mostly likeable characters. Titus could be the most insufferable protagonist ever and the rest of the characters were forgettable at best. </quote> More forgettable than the non-Squall/Rinoa characters that had zero actual plot significance or relevance? 8 is down there with 2, theyre both bad for different reasons, but still both really fucking bad lol.</quote> Easy now. The characters weren't the reason that 8 was great. I have it AND 10 in my top 5 numbered FFs.</quote>No they were only part of the reason. The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone. Instead of leveling up materia you draw spells and get familiarity with the GFs. So the battle and level up system weren't all that different, so it was easy to go from FF7 to FF8. Characters and story only play so much into my assessment of a good game. I've played FF8 many times since I bought it release day and I still don't know (or care really) wtf the story is about. All I know is no character in FF8 is as insufferable to the point I can't play the game, like Titus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 08/02/18 10:27:13 AM #85:	thanosibe posted... The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone. ... What? --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:906138487] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone.</quote> ... What?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 08/02/18 10:32:10 AM #86:	For the life of me ill never understand how anyone can enjoy 12. Terrible characters, horrible storyline and a game that can play itself if you know how to work the code system <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:906138695] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>For the life of me ill never understand how anyone can enjoy 12. Terrible characters, horrible storyline and a game that can play itself if you know how to work the code system</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/02/18 10:43:13 AM #87:	Ivany2008 posted... For the life of me ill never understand how anyone can enjoy 12. Terrible characters, horrible storyline and a game that can play itself if you know how to work the code system Not all the characters were bad. Actually it had some really good characters, they just never joined your party permanently in most cases. Ashe is a great character. Larsa is great. Cid (both of them) are great characters. Gabranth is good. The weakest parts of 12 was the monotonous gameplay which was addressed a bit in the TZA version with 4x speed and not everyone has identical license boards. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:906139248] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>For the life of me ill never understand how anyone can enjoy 12. Terrible characters, horrible storyline and a game that can play itself if you know how to work the code system</quote> Not all the characters were bad. Actually it had some really good characters, they just never joined your party permanently in most cases. Ashe is a great character. Larsa is great. Cid (both of them) are great characters. Gabranth is good. The weakest parts of 12 was the monotonous gameplay which was addressed a bit in the TZA version with 4x speed and not everyone has identical license boards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 08/02/18 11:36:13 AM #88:	TrevorBlack79 posted... thanosibe posted... The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone. ... What? I can understand your confusion since you made it a point not to quote my explanation. So its all on you. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:906141863] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone.</quote> ... What?</quote>I can understand your confusion since you made it a point not to quote my explanation. So its all on you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 08/02/18 11:50:45 AM #89:	thanosibe posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... thanosibe posted... The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone. ... What? I can understand your confusion since you made it a point not to quote my explanation. So its all on you. Except they have literally nothing in common with one another, and the rest of your post does nothing to explain how they are remotely similar, nevermind being a "clone." --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:906142596] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone.</quote> ... What?</quote>I can understand your confusion since you made it a point not to quote my explanation. So its all on you.</quote> Except they have literally nothing in common with one another, and the rest of your post does nothing to explain how they are remotely similar, nevermind being a "clone."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eevee-Trainer 08/02/18 12:14:35 PM #90:	GFs are more akin to FF6's Espers on steroids than FF7's materia system imo. --- See me on Discord! ^.^ Eevee's Mystery Dungeon: https://discord.gg/qavbtaQ <cite>Eevee-Trainer posted [p:906143775] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote>GFs are more akin to FF6's Espers on steroids than FF7's materia system imo.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/02/18 12:16:13 PM #91:	Eevee-Trainer posted... GFs are more akin to FF6's Espers on steroids than FF7's materia system imo. Whose brilliant idea was it to have to junction "Item"? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906143853] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Eevee-Trainer posted...</cite> <quote>GFs are more akin to FF6's Espers on steroids than FF7's materia system imo.</quote> Whose brilliant idea was it to have to junction "Item"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 08/02/18 12:41:58 PM #92:	TrevorBlack79 posted... thanosibe posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... thanosibe posted... The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone. ... What? I can understand your confusion since you made it a point not to quote my explanation. So its all on you. Except they have literally nothing in common with one another, and the rest of your post does nothing to explain how they are remotely similar, nevermind being a "clone." You battle to draw spells from enemies to strengthen your own spells and GFs. You battle to level up your materia which levels up your spells/summons/commands. The only big difference is one character sticking to one GF to raise familiarity. Literally anyone in FF7 can preform any feat, just same as FF8. Does that help? Or are you just taking a random opinion on the internet too seriously? --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:906145212] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>The junction system and Gf's were basically a materia clone.</quote> ... What?</quote>I can understand your confusion since you made it a point not to quote my explanation. So its all on you.</quote> Except they have literally nothing in common with one another, and the rest of your post does nothing to explain how they are remotely similar, nevermind being a "clone."</quote>You battle to draw spells from enemies to strengthen your own spells and GFs. You battle to level up your materia which levels up your spells/summons/commands. The only big difference is one character sticking to one GF to raise familiarity. Literally anyone in FF7 can preform any feat, just same as FF8. Does that help? Or are you just taking a random opinion on the internet too seriously?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/02/18 12:45:06 PM #93:	thanosibe posted... The only big difference is one character sticking to one GF to raise familiarity. The big difference is that, in FF8, the button could be clamped down while you go do something else, then come back later and have a full stack of spells drawn. In contrast, ff7's materia usually don't level up enough to split off until somewhere into disc 3. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:906145374] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>The only big difference is one character sticking to one GF to raise familiarity.</quote> The big difference is that, in FF8, the button could be clamped down while you go do something else, then come back later and have a full stack of spells drawn. In contrast, ff7's materia usually don't level up enough to split off until somewhere into disc 3.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 08/02/18 1:08:36 PM #94:	thanosibe posted... You battle to draw spells from enemies Only if you're doing it wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Equipping GFs to junction spells to stats where the stat boost is directly proportional to the quantity of spells in inventory is nothing like equipping Materia to gring AP and unlock new spells as the Materia levels up. There is no reasonable way to call 8 a clone of 7. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:906146583] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>You battle to draw spells from enemies</quote> Only if you're doing it wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Equipping GFs to junction spells to stats where the stat boost is directly proportional to the quantity of spells in inventory is nothing like equipping Materia to gring AP and unlock new spells as the Materia levels up. There is no reasonable way to call 8 a clone of 7.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 08/02/18 1:50:23 PM #95:	TrevorBlack79 posted... thanosibe posted... You battle to draw spells from enemies Only if you're doing it wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Equipping GFs to junction spells to stats where the stat boost is directly proportional to the quantity of spells in inventory is nothing like equipping Materia to gring AP and unlock new spells as the Materia levels up. There is no reasonable way to call 8 a clone of 7. I loved the junctioning system. It's the reason 8 is my favorite. I strongly disliked the materia system. It's why I don't have any desire to replay 7. The last time I tried, I lost interest after midgar. So yeah... clone is a weird descriptor to use. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:906148939] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>You battle to draw spells from enemies</quote> Only if you're doing it wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Equipping GFs to junction spells to stats where the stat boost is directly proportional to the quantity of spells in inventory is nothing like equipping Materia to gring AP and unlock new spells as the Materia levels up. There is no reasonable way to call 8 a clone of 7.</quote> I loved the junctioning system. It's the reason 8 is my favorite. I strongly disliked the materia system. It's why I don't have any desire to replay 7. The last time I tried, I lost interest after midgar. So yeah... clone is a weird descriptor to use.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 08/02/18 1:54:18 PM #96:	Tyranthraxus posted... Ivany2008 posted... For the life of me ill never understand how anyone can enjoy 12. Terrible characters, horrible storyline and a game that can play itself if you know how to work the code system Not all the characters were bad. Actually it had some really good characters, they just never joined your party permanently in most cases. Ashe is a great character. Larsa is great. Cid (both of them) are great characters. Gabranth is good. The weakest parts of 12 was the monotonous gameplay which was addressed a bit in the TZA version with 4x speed and not everyone has identical license boards. And that's a fair way to put it, I mean, I really liked Reddas, he was by far my favorite character in the game. But his length of stay was way too short, and then they went and made sure he wouldn't come back.... <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:906149143] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ivany2008 posted...</cite> <quote>For the life of me ill never understand how anyone can enjoy 12. Terrible characters, horrible storyline and a game that can play itself if you know how to work the code system</quote> Not all the characters were bad. Actually it had some really good characters, they just never joined your party permanently in most cases. Ashe is a great character. Larsa is great. Cid (both of them) are great characters. Gabranth is good. The weakest parts of 12 was the monotonous gameplay which was addressed a bit in the TZA version with 4x speed and not everyone has identical license boards.</quote> And that's a fair way to put it, I mean, I really liked Reddas, he was by far my favorite character in the game. But his length of stay was way too short, and then they went and made sure he wouldn't come back....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 08/02/18 3:07:29 PM #97:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... thanosibe posted... You battle to draw spells from enemies Only if you're doing it wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Equipping GFs to junction spells to stats where the stat boost is directly proportional to the quantity of spells in inventory is nothing like equipping Materia to gring AP and unlock new spells as the Materia levels up. There is no reasonable way to call 8 a clone of 7. I loved the junctioning system. It's the reason 8 is my favorite. I strongly disliked the materia system. It's why I don't have any desire to replay 7. The last time I tried, I lost interest after midgar. So yeah... clone is a weird descriptor to use. I enjoy both, but they're simply nothing alike. If anything, 7's Materia is a watered down clone of 6's Espers. 8's Junction was an experimental reboot on character growth that has nothing in common with 6 or 7. I'm genuinely baffled how he came up with 8 being a clone of 7. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:906153130] in Best Final... [t:76851120]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>thanosibe posted...</cite> <quote>You battle to draw spells from enemies</quote> Only if you're doing it wrong, but that is neither here nor there. Equipping GFs to junction spells to stats where the stat boost is directly proportional to the quantity of spells in inventory is nothing like equipping Materia to gring AP and unlock new spells as the Materia levels up. There is no reasonable way to call 8 a clone of 7.</quote> I loved the junctioning system. It's the reason 8 is my favorite. I strongly disliked the materia system. It's why I don't have any desire to replay 7. The last time I tried, I lost interest after midgar. So yeah... clone is a weird descriptor to use.</quote> I enjoy both, but they're simply nothing alike. If anything, 7's Materia is a watered down clone of 6's Espers. 8's Junction was an experimental reboot on character growth that has nothing in common with 6 or 7. I'm genuinely baffled how he came up with 8 being a clone of 7.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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