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gatorsPENSbucs 07/27/18 4:22:10 PM #51:	Didn't they explain all of this in the Batman lego movie. --- https://imgur.com/pqMQZyw <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:905822743] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Didn't they explain all of this in the Batman lego movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 07/27/18 4:23:22 PM #52:	s0nicfan posted... Batman not killing Joker because he's hanging on to his own sanity by a thread is a perfectly fine explanation. The question that doesn't have a good answer is "why has no Gotham PD cop ever just capped him during an arrest or during transport?" I can buy Batman having the willpower to stop himself, but every single officer with a gun in a city constantly terrorized by him? Yea, no. At least one of them would have had a family member killed. Why does every single Arkham guard accept that dude's bribes? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:905822812] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Batman not killing Joker because he's hanging on to his own sanity by a thread is a perfectly fine explanation. The question that doesn't have a good answer is "why has no Gotham PD cop ever just capped him during an arrest or during transport?" I can buy Batman having the willpower to stop himself, but every single officer with a gun in a city constantly terrorized by him? Yea, no. At least one of them would have had a family member killed.</quote> Why does every single Arkham guard accept that dude's bribes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Authentic_fan 07/27/18 4:26:34 PM #53:	He does make immoral decisions. There are comics where Batman is a sadistic torturer. Also, isn't the existence of Robin arguably immoral? Certainly, it's highly questionable. The thing about robin is nobody would have questioned that had ~~The writers not killed him off in gruesome fashion~~ That, I believe, was good for the overall story of the character. But it's been told, I want to see another major moral lapse by Batman, not a miscalculation (which you could argue the Robin thing was), lead to some disaster. I guess it's also fair to say that Batman let's Catwoman go quite often as well. All this being said I haven't read all of the comics. I haven't read a Batman comic i haven't liked so far, maybe i should pick up another set. <cite>Authentic_fan posted [p:905822985] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><quote> He does make immoral decisions. There are comics where Batman is a sadistic torturer. Also, isn't the existence of Robin arguably immoral? Certainly, it's highly questionable.</quote> The thing about robin is nobody would have questioned that had The writers not killed him off in gruesome fashion That, I believe, was good for the overall story of the character. But it's been told, I want to see another major moral lapse by Batman, not a miscalculation (which you could argue the Robin thing was), lead to some disaster. I guess it's also fair to say that Batman let's Catwoman go quite often as well. All this being said I haven't read all of the comics. I haven't read a Batman comic i haven't liked so far, maybe i should pick up another set.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/27/18 4:30:53 PM #54:	Authentic_fan posted... I haven't read a Batman comic i haven't liked so far You liked Batman #50? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:905823199] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Authentic_fan posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't read a Batman comic i haven't liked so far</quote> You liked Batman #50?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Authentic_fan 07/27/18 4:34:46 PM #55:	Tyranthraxus posted... Authentic_fan posted... I haven't read a Batman comic i haven't liked so far You liked Batman #50? I should have phrased that as I haven't seen or read a Batman story I haven't liked so far. Most of my Batman knowledge is from watching movies, cartoons, and playing video games. The ones I've read have been the graphic novels, which are separate stories but still canon I think? I don't know. I've read a few Batman comics but not in order or anything. I don't even know if I read Batman #50 <cite>Authentic_fan posted [p:905823415] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Authentic_fan posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't read a Batman comic i haven't liked so far</quote> You liked Batman #50?</quote> I should have phrased that as I haven't seen or read a Batman story I haven't liked so far. Most of my Batman knowledge is from watching movies, cartoons, and playing video games. The ones I've read have been the graphic novels, which are separate stories but still canon I think? I don't know. I've read a few Batman comics but not in order or anything. I don't even know if I read Batman #50</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fony 07/27/18 4:35:22 PM #56:	Panthera posted... The argument that killing a mass murdering lunatic who cannot be stopped by any other means will automatically make you turn into a serial killer for shits and giggles has always been a dumb one --- It's not the end of the world, but we can see it from here. <cite>Fony posted [p:905823453] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Panthera posted...</cite> <quote>The argument that killing a mass murdering lunatic who cannot be stopped by any other means will automatically make you turn into a serial killer for shits and giggles has always been a dumb one</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 07/27/18 4:38:46 PM #57:	A_Good_Boy posted... Donomark posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Donomark posted... Here's the thing. If Batman kills the Joker, why would he not kill the Scarecrow, or Black Mask, or Mr. Zsaz (assuming he's not already dead) etc.? I get that he wouldn't necessarily become an uncontrollable killing machine, but what limiting principle would exist whereby killing the Joker is justified and permissible, but killing half of his other rogues gallery (who are serial killers) isn't? I don't see anything wrong with that either. Batman positions himself to be in conflict with terrorists and mass murderers. He'd have an excuse for not killing them if his conflicts with them would actually make their sprees stop, but they don't. The most Batman ever seems to do is prepare to put them away once they've escaped and committed more murders. It's just ridiculous that his writers insist on how intelligent he is while at the same time insisting that he's incapable of telling the difference between Hitler and a dude that ticks the wrong box on his taxes. Okay, well that would make him a murderer. He has no authority whatsoever to determine who is and is not worthy of life. He is not a judge. He has not been elected by the people to pass such judgment. Batman is not a murderer, and I prefer him that way. This has always been a pretty poor argument to me to. If dude cared about respecting laws so much then he wouldn't be a vigilante that routinely goes to war with the cops. At best he'd be a lobbyist or someone that contracts his surveillance tech out to the government. But he doesn't do any of that. He goes out at night in a mask and fucks people up, commits dozens of crimes each night, and refuses to place himself under any oversight that he can't easily undermine. Even in joining the Justice League he only does it only so that he can be the final authority over right and wrong, where anyone that disagrees with him can be subject to one of his contingency plans. If he was gonna blink when confronted with the reality of being judge, jury, and executioner; he shouldn't pride himself on how effective he is at being judge and jury. Hmm. Your argument seems to boil down to "Why be a control-freak vigilante if you're not also going to be a murderer?" There is a finality to killing which differentiates it with the other crimes Batman commits (aggravated assault etc.). Batman does not want to be a killer, because he thinks that if he were, that's all he would ever be. That's not who he sees himself as. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:905823632] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>Here's the thing. If Batman kills the Joker, why would he not kill the Scarecrow, or Black Mask, or Mr. Zsaz (assuming he's not already dead) etc.? I get that he wouldn't necessarily become an uncontrollable killing machine, but what limiting principle would exist whereby killing the Joker is justified and permissible, but killing half of his other rogues gallery (who are serial killers) isn't?</quote> I don't see anything wrong with that either. Batman positions himself to be in conflict with terrorists and mass murderers. He'd have an excuse for not killing them if his conflicts with them would actually make their sprees stop, but they don't. The most Batman ever seems to do is prepare to put them away once they've escaped and committed more murders. It's just ridiculous that his writers insist on how intelligent he is while at the same time insisting that he's incapable of telling the difference between Hitler and a dude that ticks the wrong box on his taxes.</quote> Okay, well that would make him a murderer. He has no authority whatsoever to determine who is and is not worthy of life. He is not a judge. He has not been elected by the people to pass such judgment. Batman is not a murderer, and I prefer him that way.</quote> This has always been a pretty poor argument to me to. If dude cared about respecting laws so much then he wouldn't be a vigilante that routinely goes to war with the cops. At best he'd be a lobbyist or someone that contracts his surveillance tech out to the government. But he doesn't do any of that. He goes out at night in a mask and fucks people up, commits dozens of crimes each night, and refuses to place himself under any oversight that he can't easily undermine. Even in joining the Justice League he only does it only so that he can be the final authority over right and wrong, where anyone that disagrees with him can be subject to one of his contingency plans. If he was gonna blink when confronted with the reality of being judge, jury, and executioner; he shouldn't pride himself on how effective he is at being judge and jury.</quote> Hmm. Your argument seems to boil down to "Why be a control-freak vigilante if you're not also going to be a murderer?" There is a finality to killing which differentiates it with the other crimes Batman commits (aggravated assault etc.). Batman does not want to be a killer, because he thinks that if he were, that's all he would ever be. That's not who he sees himself as.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Typhon 07/27/18 4:47:15 PM #58:	Where does the "batman doesn't kill" bs come from? Dude has killed plenty of people. <cite>Typhon posted [p:905824068] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Where does the "batman doesn't kill" bs come from? Dude has killed plenty of people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingWhiteKnight 07/27/18 4:50:02 PM #60:	Batman who laughs became evil cause he got infected by a nanotoxin not cause he killed Joker <cite>KingWhiteKnight posted [p:905824237] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Batman who laughs became evil cause he got infected by a nanotoxin not cause he killed Joker</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/27/18 4:53:40 PM #61:	Typhon posted... Where does the "batman doesn't kill" bs come from? Dude has killed plenty of people. It's an old comic policy. Some time I think in 1940 an artist drew Batman killing someone with a gun and the owners were like "Never do this shit again. Good guys do not use guns and good guys do not kill people." So they took an executive command and wove it into the story. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:905824431] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Typhon posted...</cite> <quote>Where does the "batman doesn't kill" bs come from? Dude has killed plenty of people.</quote> It's an old comic policy. Some time I think in 1940 an artist drew Batman killing someone with a gun and the owners were like "Never do this shit again. Good guys do not use guns and good guys do not kill people." So they took an executive command and wove it into the story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 07/27/18 4:57:13 PM #62:	Is Zikten just gonna completely ignore the fact that he's totally wrong about Batman Who Laughs's origin? --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:905824598] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Is Zikten just gonna completely ignore the fact that he's totally wrong about Batman Who Laughs's origin?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 07/27/18 4:57:53 PM #63:	Typhon posted... Where does the "batman doesn't kill" bs come from? Dude has killed plenty of people. He's probably left hundreds if not thousands with life long debilitating conditions are the very least. From mental trauma, to severe harm to many simply likely being paraplegics. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:905824632] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Typhon posted...</cite> <quote>Where does the "batman doesn't kill" bs come from? Dude has killed plenty of people.</quote> He's probably left hundreds if not thousands with life long debilitating conditions are the very least. From mental trauma, to severe harm to many simply likely being paraplegics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/27/18 4:58:37 PM #64:	DrizztLink posted... Is Zikten just gonna completely ignore the fact that he's totally wrong about Batman Who Laughs's origin? I guess I just interpreted it differently. Yes, ok. he gets gassed. but I saw him as being changed even before the gas. maybe it wouldn't have played out exactly the same if he wasn't gassed. but I still think the mental torture ruined him and he would have been effected in some way <cite>Zikten posted [p:905824672] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>DrizztLink posted...</cite> <quote>Is Zikten just gonna completely ignore the fact that he's totally wrong about Batman Who Laughs's origin?</quote> I guess I just interpreted it differently. Yes, ok. he gets gassed. but I saw him as being changed even before the gas. maybe it wouldn't have played out exactly the same if he wasn't gassed. but I still think the mental torture ruined him and he would have been effected in some way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shotgunnova 07/27/18 5:00:12 PM #65:	Batman: I don't kill my enemies. Penguin: Maybe that's why you got so many? This line from the Telltale Batman series cracked me up. --- Take me down from the ridge where the summer ends And watch the city spread out just like a jet's flame <cite>Shotgunnova posted [p:905824754] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><quote>Batman: I don't kill my enemies. Penguin: Maybe that's why you got so many?</quote>This line from the Telltale Batman series cracked me up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 07/27/18 5:01:09 PM #66:	I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty. <cite>nemu posted [p:905824806] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 07/27/18 5:05:02 PM #67:	nemu posted... I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty. Arkham is the home of the criminally insane; they ostensibly meet the strictures of the insanity defense for their jurisdiction. Would they in real life? Perhaps not. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:905824992] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty.</quote> Arkham is the home of the criminally insane; they ostensibly meet the strictures of the insanity defense for their jurisdiction. Would they in real life? Perhaps not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 07/27/18 5:06:38 PM #68:	Donomark posted... nemu posted... I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty. Arkham is the home of the criminally insane; they ostensibly meet the strictures of the insanity defense for their jurisdiction. Would they in real life? Perhaps not. I can buy that the first time. The hundredth after so many mass killings? I just don't buy it at that point. Not in a place that very much likely has it. Or how, as someone else said, a cop didn't just kill them on transit/capture. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:905825075] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty.</quote> Arkham is the home of the criminally insane; they ostensibly meet the strictures of the insanity defense for their jurisdiction. Would they in real life? Perhaps not.</quote> I can buy that the first time. The hundredth after so many mass killings? I just don't buy it at that point. Not in a place that very much likely has it. Or how, as someone else said, a cop didn't just kill them on transit/capture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Southernfatman 07/27/18 5:09:33 PM #69:	You'd think there would be more attempts to kill Joker (and other villains) by other vigilantes, meaning some regular citizen who is pissed off because he keeps getting away with mass murder or someone wanting to have their revenge or avenge one or more of his victims. Hell the cops should just kill him when Bats ain't looking and say they felt their lives were in danger. Anyone who kills the joker should be getting a medal anyway. Then again Batman would just be there in the nick of time and stop them and blah blah killing is bad. Batman only works in this way if you accept that he is already insane. Gotham needs the Punisher instead of Batman. --- https://imgur.com/hslUvRN When I sin I sin real good. <cite>Southernfatman posted [p:905825221] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>You'd think there would be more attempts to kill Joker (and other villains) by other vigilantes, meaning some regular citizen who is pissed off because he keeps getting away with mass murder or someone wanting to have their revenge or avenge one or more of his victims. Hell the cops should just kill him when Bats ain't looking and say they felt their lives were in danger. Anyone who kills the joker should be getting a medal anyway. Then again Batman would just be there in the nick of time and stop them and blah blah killing is bad. Batman only works in this way if you accept that he is already insane. Gotham needs the Punisher instead of Batman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 07/27/18 5:12:01 PM #70:	Funkydog posted... Donomark posted... nemu posted... I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty. Arkham is the home of the criminally insane; they ostensibly meet the strictures of the insanity defense for their jurisdiction. Would they in real life? Perhaps not. I can buy that the first time. The hundredth after so many mass killings? I just don't buy it at that point. Not in a place that very much likely has it. Or how, as someone else said, a cop didn't just kill them on transit/capture. Surpirsingly, the frequency of the conduct may actually enhance their defense. Part of one definition of the insanity defense is the inability to conform conduct to the requirements of law. That said, obviously the primary rationale here is that DC doesn't want to shred Batman's rogues gallery. Readers are just going to have to accept that. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:905825351] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funkydog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nemu posted...</cite> <quote>I can get that Batman doesn't want to kill people. What I don't get is the easily escapable asylum instead of a death penalty.</quote> Arkham is the home of the criminally insane; they ostensibly meet the strictures of the insanity defense for their jurisdiction. Would they in real life? Perhaps not.</quote> I can buy that the first time. The hundredth after so many mass killings? I just don't buy it at that point. Not in a place that very much likely has it. Or how, as someone else said, a cop didn't just kill them on transit/capture.</quote> Surpirsingly, the frequency of the conduct may actually enhance their defense. Part of one definition of the insanity defense is the inability to conform conduct to the requirements of law. That said, obviously the primary rationale here is that DC doesn't want to shred Batman's rogues gallery. Readers are just going to have to accept that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/27/18 5:12:21 PM #71:	Southernfatman posted... You'd think there would be more attempts to kill Joker (and other villains) by other vigilantes, meaning some regular citizen who is pissed off because he keeps getting away with mass murder or someone wanting to have their revenge or avenge one or more of his victims. Hell the cops should just kill him when Bats ain't looking and say they felt their lives were in danger. Anyone who kills the joker should be getting a medal anyway. Then again Batman would just be there in the nick of time and stop them and blah blah killing is bad. Batman only works in this way if you accept that he is already insane. Gotham needs the Punisher instead of Batman. I remember this happening with Dick once. I think the story was called Joker's Last Laugh. Dick at one point has the chance to kill Joker. and Batman stops him <cite>Zikten posted [p:905825371] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>You'd think there would be more attempts to kill Joker (and other villains) by other vigilantes, meaning some regular citizen who is pissed off because he keeps getting away with mass murder or someone wanting to have their revenge or avenge one or more of his victims. Hell the cops should just kill him when Bats ain't looking and say they felt their lives were in danger. Anyone who kills the joker should be getting a medal anyway. Then again Batman would just be there in the nick of time and stop them and blah blah killing is bad. Batman only works in this way if you accept that he is already insane. Gotham needs the Punisher instead of Batman.</quote> I remember this happening with Dick once. I think the story was called Joker's Last Laugh. Dick at one point has the chance to kill Joker. and Batman stops him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mistere Man 07/27/18 5:19:12 PM #72:	You would think the court system or a trigger happy cop or victims family member would have done so already. --- Water+Fall=Radiation. <cite>Mistere Man posted [p:905825713] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>You would think the court system or a trigger happy cop or victims family member would have done so already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 07/27/18 6:57:07 PM #73:	Donomark posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Donomark posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Donomark posted... Here's the thing. If Batman kills the Joker, why would he not kill the Scarecrow, or Black Mask, or Mr. Zsaz (assuming he's not already dead) etc.? I get that he wouldn't necessarily become an uncontrollable killing machine, but what limiting principle would exist whereby killing the Joker is justified and permissible, but killing half of his other rogues gallery (who are serial killers) isn't? I don't see anything wrong with that either. Batman positions himself to be in conflict with terrorists and mass murderers. He'd have an excuse for not killing them if his conflicts with them would actually make their sprees stop, but they don't. The most Batman ever seems to do is prepare to put them away once they've escaped and committed more murders. It's just ridiculous that his writers insist on how intelligent he is while at the same time insisting that he's incapable of telling the difference between Hitler and a dude that ticks the wrong box on his taxes. Okay, well that would make him a murderer. He has no authority whatsoever to determine who is and is not worthy of life. He is not a judge. He has not been elected by the people to pass such judgment. Batman is not a murderer, and I prefer him that way. This has always been a pretty poor argument to me to. If dude cared about respecting laws so much then he wouldn't be a vigilante that routinely goes to war with the cops. At best he'd be a lobbyist or someone that contracts his surveillance tech out to the government. But he doesn't do any of that. He goes out at night in a mask and fucks people up, commits dozens of crimes each night, and refuses to place himself under any oversight that he can't easily undermine. Even in joining the Justice League he only does it only so that he can be the final authority over right and wrong, where anyone that disagrees with him can be subject to one of his contingency plans. If he was gonna blink when confronted with the reality of being judge, jury, and executioner; he shouldn't pride himself on how effective he is at being judge and jury. Hmm. Your argument seems to boil down to "Why be a control-freak vigilante if you're not also going to be a murderer?" There is a finality to killing which differentiates it with the other crimes Batman commits (aggravated assault etc.). Batman does not want to be a killer, because he thinks that if he were, that's all he would ever be. That's not who he sees himself as. That's a pretty piss-poor summation of my argument. My posts are all there, you can paraphrase my argument a lot more accurately than you're attempting. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:905830322] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>Here's the thing. If Batman kills the Joker, why would he not kill the Scarecrow, or Black Mask, or Mr. Zsaz (assuming he's not already dead) etc.? I get that he wouldn't necessarily become an uncontrollable killing machine, but what limiting principle would exist whereby killing the Joker is justified and permissible, but killing half of his other rogues gallery (who are serial killers) isn't?</quote> I don't see anything wrong with that either. Batman positions himself to be in conflict with terrorists and mass murderers. He'd have an excuse for not killing them if his conflicts with them would actually make their sprees stop, but they don't. The most Batman ever seems to do is prepare to put them away once they've escaped and committed more murders. It's just ridiculous that his writers insist on how intelligent he is while at the same time insisting that he's incapable of telling the difference between Hitler and a dude that ticks the wrong box on his taxes.</quote> Okay, well that would make him a murderer. He has no authority whatsoever to determine who is and is not worthy of life. He is not a judge. He has not been elected by the people to pass such judgment. Batman is not a murderer, and I prefer him that way.</quote> This has always been a pretty poor argument to me to. If dude cared about respecting laws so much then he wouldn't be a vigilante that routinely goes to war with the cops. At best he'd be a lobbyist or someone that contracts his surveillance tech out to the government. But he doesn't do any of that. He goes out at night in a mask and fucks people up, commits dozens of crimes each night, and refuses to place himself under any oversight that he can't easily undermine. Even in joining the Justice League he only does it only so that he can be the final authority over right and wrong, where anyone that disagrees with him can be subject to one of his contingency plans. If he was gonna blink when confronted with the reality of being judge, jury, and executioner; he shouldn't pride himself on how effective he is at being judge and jury.</quote> Hmm. Your argument seems to boil down to "Why be a control-freak vigilante if you're not also going to be a murderer?" There is a finality to killing which differentiates it with the other crimes Batman commits (aggravated assault etc.). Batman does not want to be a killer, because he thinks that if he were, that's all he would ever be. That's not who he sees himself as.</quote> That's a pretty piss-poor summation of my argument. My posts are all there, you can paraphrase my argument a lot more accurately than you're attempting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/27/18 7:17:48 PM #74:	Southernfatman posted... Gotham needs the Punisher instead of Batman. They already have that. He's called Jason Todd. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:905831378] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Southernfatman posted...</cite> <quote>Gotham needs the Punisher instead of Batman.</quote> They already have that. He's called Jason Todd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Illuminoius 07/27/18 7:36:30 PM #75:	batmans* <cite>Illuminoius posted [p:905832238] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>batmans*</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/27/18 7:41:14 PM #76:	Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly and who has poor mental health. The one thing that's kept him from going off the deep end is having one ironclad rule about not intentionally killing. If he breaks that for the Joker, there's no way it stops there once the taboo is broken. He very likely ends up killing the rest of his rogues gallery for all the recurrent death and destruction they cause. Then there's the possibility of escalating to very serious criminals in general. The police will have to get involved once he starts killing his rogues gallery and then he might have to start maiming or killing police. At that point, he's public enemy number one and has few if any principles, may find that he enjoys being the executioner after all, or may find that he lost his already weak grip on sanity. Makes sense not to do it to me. Like others have said, it's the system's fault for not killing the Joker or having him locked up on the moon. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905832421] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly and who has poor mental health. The one thing that's kept him from going off the deep end is having one ironclad rule about not intentionally killing. If he breaks that for the Joker, there's no way it stops there once the taboo is broken. He very likely ends up killing the rest of his rogues gallery for all the recurrent death and destruction they cause. Then there's the possibility of escalating to very serious criminals in general. The police will have to get involved once he starts killing his rogues gallery and then he might have to start maiming or killing police. At that point, he's public enemy number one and has few if any principles, may find that he enjoys being the executioner after all, or may find that he lost his already weak grip on sanity. Makes sense not to do it to me. Like others have said, it's the system's fault for not killing the Joker or having him locked up on the moon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayerblade11 07/27/18 8:49:07 PM #77:	legendary_zell posted... Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand. <cite>Slayerblade11 posted [p:905835489] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly </quote> Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 07/27/18 8:50:28 PM #78:	Slayerblade11 posted... legendary_zell posted... Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand. >hits people with his car >tosses people off roof tops >doesn't believe in excessive violence --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:905835546] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slayerblade11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly </quote> Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand.</quote> >hits people with his car >tosses people off roof tops >doesn't believe in excessive violence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/27/18 8:56:37 PM #79:	If i have a sip of beer i turn into a raging alcoholic. If i shoot a deer i become a serial killer. If i play a violent video game i must act it out in person. If i play dnd i cannot tell where fantasy ends and reality begins. If i ever skip a day of school ill never attend another day. If i ever eat fast food then i can never stop until obesity kills me. If i run a red light then ill never stop for them ever again. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:905835811] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>If i have a sip of beer i turn into a raging alcoholic. If i shoot a deer i become a serial killer. If i play a violent video game i must act it out in person. If i play dnd i cannot tell where fantasy ends and reality begins. If i ever skip a day of school ill never attend another day. If i ever eat fast food then i can never stop until obesity kills me. If i run a red light then ill never stop for them ever again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/27/18 8:58:18 PM #80:	VandorLee posted... If i have a sip of beer i turn into a raging alcoholic. If i shoot a deer i become a serial killer. If i play a violent video game i must act it out in person. If i play dnd i cannot tell where fantasy ends and reality begins. If i ever skip a day of school ill never attend another day. If i ever eat fast food then i can never stop until obesity kills me. If i run a red light then ill never stop for them ever again. your not bruce wayne though. you didn;t watch your parents gunned down when you were a child. nothing caused your mind to snap and think differently than normal people <cite>Zikten posted [p:905835891] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>If i have a sip of beer i turn into a raging alcoholic. If i shoot a deer i become a serial killer. If i play a violent video game i must act it out in person. If i play dnd i cannot tell where fantasy ends and reality begins. If i ever skip a day of school ill never attend another day. If i ever eat fast food then i can never stop until obesity kills me. If i run a red light then ill never stop for them ever again.</quote> your not bruce wayne though. you didn;t watch your parents gunned down when you were a child. nothing caused your mind to snap and think differently than normal people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/27/18 9:00:46 PM #81:	Zikten posted... VandorLee posted... If i have a sip of beer i turn into a raging alcoholic. If i shoot a deer i become a serial killer. If i play a violent video game i must act it out in person. If i play dnd i cannot tell where fantasy ends and reality begins. If i ever skip a day of school ill never attend another day. If i ever eat fast food then i can never stop until obesity kills me. If i run a red light then ill never stop for them ever again. your not bruce wayne though. you didn;t watch your parents gunned down when you were a child. nothing caused your mind to snap and think differently than normal people So break his legs and arms. Cut em off. Hell live. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:905836003] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>VandorLee posted...</cite> <quote>If i have a sip of beer i turn into a raging alcoholic. If i shoot a deer i become a serial killer. If i play a violent video game i must act it out in person. If i play dnd i cannot tell where fantasy ends and reality begins. If i ever skip a day of school ill never attend another day. If i ever eat fast food then i can never stop until obesity kills me. If i run a red light then ill never stop for them ever again.</quote> your not bruce wayne though. you didn;t watch your parents gunned down when you were a child. nothing caused your mind to snap and think differently than normal people</quote> So break his legs and arms. Cut em off. Hell live.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 07/27/18 9:01:14 PM #82:	Batman is literally insane. You think that a normal person would train their ass off, beat people up in a high tech bat suit, barely sleep, become obsessed with his turf and not let anyone else handle his villains? The justification is that killing Joker would be a tipping point for Batman who is already so close to the edge. He takes in orphans who are just as damaged as him and prevents them from doing it too. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:905836032] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Batman is literally insane. You think that a normal person would train their ass off, beat people up in a high tech bat suit, barely sleep, become obsessed with his turf and not let anyone else handle his villains? The justification is that killing Joker would be a tipping point for Batman who is already so close to the edge. He takes in orphans who are just as damaged as him and prevents them from doing it too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayerblade11 07/27/18 9:01:43 PM #83:	A_Good_Boy posted... Slayerblade11 posted... legendary_zell posted... Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand. >hits people with his car >tosses people off roof tops >doesn't believe in excessive violence Maby in the Arkham games <cite>Slayerblade11 posted [p:905836051] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Slayerblade11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly </quote> Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand.</quote> >hits people with his car >tosses people off roof tops >doesn't believe in excessive violence</quote> Maby in the Arkham games</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/27/18 9:04:12 PM #84:	So batman either doesnt do anything that would cause permanent damage, beats up joker despite him showing tolerence and possible enjoyment to pain and sends him to places he easily escapes. Batman is the problem --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:905836182] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>So batman either doesnt do anything that would cause permanent damage, beats up joker despite him showing tolerence and possible enjoyment to pain and sends him to places he easily escapes. Batman is the problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayerblade11 07/27/18 9:16:01 PM #85:	Batman's own willingness to kill Joker is irrelevant to whether he lives or not Joker is too popular to kill off permanently. Joker will always be protected by almighty plot-armor. This is why you will never see The Punisher put a bullet in The Kingpin's head. <cite>Slayerblade11 posted [p:905836699] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Batman's own willingness to kill Joker is irrelevant to whether he lives or not Joker is too popular to kill off permanently. Joker will always be protected by almighty plot-armor. This is why you will never see The Punisher put a bullet in The Kingpin's head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VandorLee 07/27/18 9:19:36 PM #86:	Slayerblade11 posted... Batman's own willingness to kill Joker is irrelevant to weather he lives or not Joker is too popular to kill off permanently. Joker will always be protected by almighty plot-armor. This is why you will never see The Punisher put a bullet in The Kingpin's head. Thats the real reason but the teason they give is lame. --- "God didn't create humans, no, it's humans who created God." Dr. Londes, Cowboy Bebop: "Brain Scratch" (#1.23) (1999) <cite>VandorLee posted [p:905836858] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slayerblade11 posted...</cite> <quote>Batman's own willingness to kill Joker is irrelevant to weather he lives or not Joker is too popular to kill off permanently. Joker will always be protected by almighty plot-armor. This is why you will never see The Punisher put a bullet in The Kingpin's head.</quote> Thats the real reason but the teason they give is lame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 07/27/18 9:20:11 PM #87:	Even killing a bad person can fuck you up. It probably wouldn't turn any real person into a mass murderers themselves, but you can definitely feel like shit purely because you took a life, even if you have no sympathy for the specific fucker you killed. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:905836873] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Even killing a bad person can fuck you up. It probably wouldn't turn any real person into a mass murderers themselves, but you can definitely feel like shit purely because you took a life, even if you have no sympathy for the specific fucker you killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 07/27/18 11:01:00 PM #88:	A_Good_Boy posted... Donomark posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Donomark posted... A_Good_Boy posted... Donomark posted... Here's the thing. If Batman kills the Joker, why would he not kill the Scarecrow, or Black Mask, or Mr. Zsaz (assuming he's not already dead) etc.? I get that he wouldn't necessarily become an uncontrollable killing machine, but what limiting principle would exist whereby killing the Joker is justified and permissible, but killing half of his other rogues gallery (who are serial killers) isn't? I don't see anything wrong with that either. Batman positions himself to be in conflict with terrorists and mass murderers. He'd have an excuse for not killing them if his conflicts with them would actually make their sprees stop, but they don't. The most Batman ever seems to do is prepare to put them away once they've escaped and committed more murders. It's just ridiculous that his writers insist on how intelligent he is while at the same time insisting that he's incapable of telling the difference between Hitler and a dude that ticks the wrong box on his taxes. Okay, well that would make him a murderer. He has no authority whatsoever to determine who is and is not worthy of life. He is not a judge. He has not been elected by the people to pass such judgment. Batman is not a murderer, and I prefer him that way. This has always been a pretty poor argument to me to. If dude cared about respecting laws so much then he wouldn't be a vigilante that routinely goes to war with the cops. At best he'd be a lobbyist or someone that contracts his surveillance tech out to the government. But he doesn't do any of that. He goes out at night in a mask and fucks people up, commits dozens of crimes each night, and refuses to place himself under any oversight that he can't easily undermine. Even in joining the Justice League he only does it only so that he can be the final authority over right and wrong, where anyone that disagrees with him can be subject to one of his contingency plans. If he was gonna blink when confronted with the reality of being judge, jury, and executioner; he shouldn't pride himself on how effective he is at being judge and jury. Hmm. Your argument seems to boil down to "Why be a control-freak vigilante if you're not also going to be a murderer?" There is a finality to killing which differentiates it with the other crimes Batman commits (aggravated assault etc.). Batman does not want to be a killer, because he thinks that if he were, that's all he would ever be. That's not who he sees himself as. That's a pretty piss-poor summation of my argument. My posts are all there, you can paraphrase my argument a lot more accurately than you're attempting. Okay. If you don't like it, why don't you spell out exactly what disservice I'm doing to your point of view? You seem to be saying "Batman is a control freak. He doesn't care about the law because he breaks laws. So, since he is breaking laws, why doesn't he break the law against murder?" Tell me exactly what I'm getting wrong. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:905841298] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote><cite>A_Good_Boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Donomark posted...</cite> <quote>Here's the thing. If Batman kills the Joker, why would he not kill the Scarecrow, or Black Mask, or Mr. Zsaz (assuming he's not already dead) etc.? I get that he wouldn't necessarily become an uncontrollable killing machine, but what limiting principle would exist whereby killing the Joker is justified and permissible, but killing half of his other rogues gallery (who are serial killers) isn't?</quote> I don't see anything wrong with that either. Batman positions himself to be in conflict with terrorists and mass murderers. He'd have an excuse for not killing them if his conflicts with them would actually make their sprees stop, but they don't. The most Batman ever seems to do is prepare to put them away once they've escaped and committed more murders. It's just ridiculous that his writers insist on how intelligent he is while at the same time insisting that he's incapable of telling the difference between Hitler and a dude that ticks the wrong box on his taxes.</quote> Okay, well that would make him a murderer. He has no authority whatsoever to determine who is and is not worthy of life. He is not a judge. He has not been elected by the people to pass such judgment. Batman is not a murderer, and I prefer him that way.</quote> This has always been a pretty poor argument to me to. If dude cared about respecting laws so much then he wouldn't be a vigilante that routinely goes to war with the cops. At best he'd be a lobbyist or someone that contracts his surveillance tech out to the government. But he doesn't do any of that. He goes out at night in a mask and fucks people up, commits dozens of crimes each night, and refuses to place himself under any oversight that he can't easily undermine. Even in joining the Justice League he only does it only so that he can be the final authority over right and wrong, where anyone that disagrees with him can be subject to one of his contingency plans. If he was gonna blink when confronted with the reality of being judge, jury, and executioner; he shouldn't pride himself on how effective he is at being judge and jury.</quote> Hmm. Your argument seems to boil down to "Why be a control-freak vigilante if you're not also going to be a murderer?" There is a finality to killing which differentiates it with the other crimes Batman commits (aggravated assault etc.). Batman does not want to be a killer, because he thinks that if he were, that's all he would ever be. That's not who he sees himself as.</quote> That's a pretty piss-poor summation of my argument. My posts are all there, you can paraphrase my argument a lot more accurately than you're attempting.</quote> Okay. If you don't like it, why don't you spell out exactly what disservice I'm doing to your point of view? You seem to be saying "Batman is a control freak. He doesn't care about the law because he breaks laws. So, since he is breaking laws, why doesn't he break the law against murder?" Tell me exactly what I'm getting wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/27/18 11:11:05 PM #89:	Slayerblade11 posted... legendary_zell posted... Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand. The way he hits people in the comics and movies would mess people up for life. He breaks limbs, punches people with his peak human strength and master technique, etc. It really doesn't take that much to permanently injure someone. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905841770] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slayerblade11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly </quote> Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand.</quote> The way he hits people in the comics and movies would mess people up for life. He breaks limbs, punches people with his peak human strength and master technique, etc. It really doesn't take that much to permanently injure someone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pres_madagascar 07/27/18 11:13:37 PM #90:	I subscribe to rhe idea that batman is just as nutty as the people he hunts, the only thing keeping him grounded is his batman life and the hunt of the joker. --- https://imgur.com/23CCcZB https://imgur.com/32mwCo1 https://imgur.com/oqklqKC <cite>pres_madagascar posted [p:905841877] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>I subscribe to rhe idea that batman is just as nutty as the people he hunts, the only thing keeping him grounded is his batman life and the hunt of the joker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sylverlolol 07/27/18 11:13:42 PM #91:	Panthera posted... The argument that killing a mass murdering lunatic who cannot be stopped by any other means will automatically make you turn into a serial killer for shits and giggles has always been a dumb one This. --- This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. <cite>sylverlolol posted [p:905841881] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Panthera posted...</cite> <quote>The argument that killing a mass murdering lunatic who cannot be stopped by any other means will automatically make you turn into a serial killer for shits and giggles has always been a dumb one</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Donomark 07/27/18 11:15:17 PM #92:	I also disagree with your assessment that Batman only joined the League so that he can be the final arbiter of right and wrong. He joined the League so that he can assist other heroes in protecting people against threats and develop intel against powerful members in the event they turn rogue. I disagree that his motivation is as authoritarian and selfish as your say. --- "You can do it your way, or you can be effective." http://dbznextdimension.libsyn.com/ http://cbfrevue.libsyn.com/ <cite>Donomark posted [p:905841958] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>I also disagree with your assessment that Batman only joined the League so that he can be the final arbiter of right and wrong. He joined the League so that he can assist other heroes in protecting people against threats and develop intel against powerful members in the event they turn rogue. I disagree that his motivation is as authoritarian and selfish as your say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slayerblade11 07/27/18 11:20:02 PM #93:	legendary_zell posted... Slayerblade11 posted... legendary_zell posted... Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand. The way he hits people in the comics and movies would mess people up for life. He breaks limbs, punches people with his peak human strength and master technique, etc. It really doesn't take that much to permanently injure someone. Criminals who carry weapons and try to kill people. Is he supposed to pull punches and wear kid gloves vs violent criminals? <cite>Slayerblade11 posted [p:905842182] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Slayerblade11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly </quote> Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand.</quote> The way he hits people in the comics and movies would mess people up for life. He breaks limbs, punches people with his peak human strength and master technique, etc. It really doesn't take that much to permanently injure someone.</quote> Criminals who carry weapons and try to kill people. Is he supposed to pull punches and wear kid gloves vs violent criminals?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SolKarellen 07/27/18 11:35:04 PM #94:	I liked how Trigun dealt with this trope deeply. Vash is superhuman and could find ways to defeat bad dudes without killing them...until he couldn't. Monev guns down an entire street of innocents (including children) then it's made clear that Vash could've used the gun hidden in his prosthetic arm to kill Monev at the very beginning, but he didn't and has a freak out. Vash is really only allowed to practice his absolute moral code because he's superhuman...and has horrific scars to attest to it. Wolfwood, an ordinary guy, dies trying to emulate Vash by sparing his opponent (granted, said opponent was going to let him go but Knives mind-controlled him into shooting Wolfwood). --- We were thinking of naming the baby Ellipsis, but it seemed so...typographical. <cite>SolKarellen posted [p:905842899] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>I liked how Trigun dealt with this trope deeply. Vash is superhuman and could find ways to defeat bad dudes without killing them...until he couldn't. Monev guns down an entire street of innocents (including children) then it's made clear that Vash could've used the gun hidden in his prosthetic arm to kill Monev at the very beginning, but he didn't and has a freak out. Vash is really only allowed to practice his absolute moral code because he's superhuman...and has horrific scars to attest to it. Wolfwood, an ordinary guy, dies trying to emulate Vash by sparing his opponent (granted, said opponent was going to let him go but Knives mind-controlled him into shooting Wolfwood).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marc55 07/27/18 11:37:18 PM #95:	i always thought the main reason he couldnt kill is he would end up being targeted by the cops too because why would he stop just at the joker ? --- There is no sound, no voice, no cry in all the world that can be heard... until someone listens. <cite>marc55 posted [p:905843016] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>i always thought the main reason he couldnt kill is he would end up being targeted by the cops too because why would he stop just at the joker ?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 07/27/18 11:39:14 PM #96:	Dark Nights Metal is fantastic. --- "Never seen a group of people more obsessed with a man's naked, hairy ass than the men at Current Events." -SBAllen 2018 We live in a society <cite>Garioshi posted [p:905843112] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Dark Nights Metal is fantastic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendary_zell 07/27/18 11:40:50 PM #97:	Slayerblade11 posted... legendary_zell posted... Slayerblade11 posted... legendary_zell posted... Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand. The way he hits people in the comics and movies would mess people up for life. He breaks limbs, punches people with his peak human strength and master technique, etc. It really doesn't take that much to permanently injure someone. Criminals who carry weapons and try to kill people. Is he supposed to pull punches and wear kid gloves vs violent criminals? I'm not disagreeing with the danger they pose or their evilness. I'm saying Batman already doles out a lot of physical punishment. Escalating that would make make it difficult for there to be hard limits on what he does, even taking his sanity out of the equation. When you add the fact that he's at least traumatized and crazy enough to take to the streets in a bat costume despite a life as a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist...maybe killing a limit on killing peeps isn't a bad idea. --- https://imgur.com/0Bi86cp <cite>legendary_zell posted [p:905843189] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slayerblade11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Slayerblade11 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendary_zell posted...</cite> <quote>Batman is already a very violent vigilante that cripples people nightly </quote> Where do people get this from? Bruce tends to frown upon excessive force. The only time he severely injuries someone is if they really force his hand.</quote> The way he hits people in the comics and movies would mess people up for life. He breaks limbs, punches people with his peak human strength and master technique, etc. It really doesn't take that much to permanently injure someone.</quote> Criminals who carry weapons and try to kill people. Is he supposed to pull punches and wear kid gloves vs violent criminals?</quote> I'm not disagreeing with the danger they pose or their evilness. I'm saying Batman already doles out a lot of physical punishment. Escalating that would make make it difficult for there to be hard limits on what he does, even taking his sanity out of the equation. When you add the fact that he's at least traumatized and crazy enough to take to the streets in a bat costume despite a life as a genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist...maybe killing a limit on killing peeps isn't a bad idea.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 07/27/18 11:58:31 PM #98:	Never heard of the Batman who Deeds. Pretty bad ass --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://imgur.com/r9xK2NR <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:905843895] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Never heard of the Batman who Deeds. Pretty bad ass</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 07/28/18 12:20:41 AM #99:	marc55 posted... i always thought the main reason he couldnt kill is he would end up being targeted by the cops too because why would he stop just at the joker ? That's stupid. After everything batman did for them? Even if Batman went the punisher route, I'm sure the police would look the other way. It's not like the cops go after any of the other superheroes and anti-heroes who kill. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:905844816] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote>i always thought the main reason he couldnt kill is he would end up being targeted by the cops too because why would he stop just at the joker ?</quote> That's stupid. After everything batman did for them? Even if Batman went the punisher route, I'm sure the police would look the other way. It's not like the cops go after any of the other superheroes and anti-heroes who kill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/28/18 12:23:07 AM #100:	GiftedACIII posted... marc55 posted... i always thought the main reason he couldnt kill is he would end up being targeted by the cops too because why would he stop just at the joker ? That's stupid. After everything batman did for them? Even if Batman went the punisher route, I'm sure the police would look the other way. It's not like the cops go after any of the other superheroes and anti-heroes who kill. The cops go after Punisher. Sometimes an individual cop works with him secretly but officially cops are ordered to take him down. He is considered a wanted man <cite>Zikten posted [p:905844927] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>marc55 posted...</cite> <quote>i always thought the main reason he couldnt kill is he would end up being targeted by the cops too because why would he stop just at the joker ?</quote> That's stupid. After everything batman did for them? Even if Batman went the punisher route, I'm sure the police would look the other way. It's not like the cops go after any of the other superheroes and anti-heroes who kill.</quote> The cops go after Punisher. Sometimes an individual cop works with him secretly but officially cops are ordered to take him down. He is considered a wanted man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 07/28/18 12:25:55 AM #101:	Batman doesnt have to kill The Joker, he just needs to not save him. But but slippery slope! It all hinges on this one case! --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:905845049] in To anyone ... [t:76846942]...</cite> <quote>Batman doesnt have to kill The Joker, he just needs to not save him. But but slippery slope! It all hinges on this one case!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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