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Antifar 07/24/18 11:46:09 PM #1:	https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/political-capital ...Though the 2016 party platform explicitly included a policy of finally passing statehood for the District of Columbia, most lawmakers who are even aware of the issue continue to see it as morally righteous but politically irrelevant. Few, if any, Democrats would give D.C. statehood a higher priority than policy issues that directly concern the voters in their state, says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. This subject is well down the agenda for almost all senators, and I doubt that changes. Its natural for Democrats to prioritize parochial concerns that matter for their constituencies. But from a long-term, institutional perspective, the Democratic silence on statehood is a tactical oddity. Any future state centered around the current district would be all but certain to elect left-leaning Democrats to its two Senate seats and one House seat. Its a margin that would have doomed the Republican tax reform bill and Neil Gorsuchs Supreme Court career, and one that would help a future Democratic president avoid the gridlock of an opposition-controlled Congress. The low priority Democrats place on D.C. statehood speaks to their squeamishness about framing the issue as a win for their party. Even when we go and have closed-door meetings with the staff of members of Congress, people do not talk in those terms, says Keshini Ladduwahetty, chair of the pro-statehood group DC for Democracy, a progressive advocacy group that is one of at least a half-dozen organizations pushing for statehood. Eleanor Holmes Norton, the districts longtime Democratic, nonvoting House delegate, contends that the partisan implications are best left unspoken. If that isnt self-evident, nothing is, she says. A hungrier Democratic Party might decide to ditch the subtlety. Two decades of framing this as a moral issue and not as a partisan one has not paid any meaningful dividends, says David Faris, a political science professor at Roosevelt University and author of Its Time to Fight Dirty: How Democrats Can Build a Lasting Majority in American Politics. So my question would be: Who are we pretending for? Faris and others envision a stiffer-spined Democratic Partyone that could see statehood as the partisan gift that it is, and gun the proposal through Congress and a Democratic White House at the next opportunity. There would be significant political risks, and Republicans would resist at every turn. (Ohio governor and 2016 Republican presidential candidate John Kasich warned that statehood would mean just more votes in the Democratic Party.) The effort would require Democrats to marshal uncharacteristic ruthlessness. The failure to prioritize D.C. statehood over the last administration is reflective of an overall problem of the Democratic Party, which is not focusing on how to build and develop power to push more the inclusive populist reforms our country needs, says Neil Sroka, communications director for Democracy for America, a political action committee started by Howard Dean. The reality is, if the shoe were on the other foot . . . theres not a doubt in my mind Republicans would have jammed statehood through decades ago. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905674448] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>https://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/july-august-2018/political-capital <quote>...Though the 2016 party platform explicitly included a policy of finally passing statehood for the District of Columbia, most lawmakers who are even aware of the issue continue to see it as morally righteous but politically irrelevant. Few, if any, Democrats would give D.C. statehood a higher priority than policy issues that directly concern the voters in their state, says Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia. This subject is well down the agenda for almost all senators, and I doubt that changes. Its natural for Democrats to prioritize parochial concerns that matter for their constituencies. But from a long-term, institutional perspective, the Democratic silence on statehood is a tactical oddity. Any future state centered around the current district would be all but certain to elect left-leaning Democrats to its two Senate seats and one House seat. Its a margin that would have doomed the Republican tax reform bill and Neil Gorsuchs Supreme Court career, and one that would help a future Democratic president avoid the gridlock of an opposition-controlled Congress. The low priority Democrats place on D.C. statehood speaks to their squeamishness about framing the issue as a win for their party. Even when we go and have closed-door meetings with the staff of members of Congress, people do not talk in those terms, says Keshini Ladduwahetty, chair of the pro-statehood group DC for Democracy, a progressive advocacy group that is one of at least a half-dozen organizations pushing for statehood. Eleanor Holmes Norton, the districts longtime Democratic, nonvoting House delegate, contends that the partisan implications are best left unspoken. If that isnt self-evident, nothing is, she says. A hungrier Democratic Party might decide to ditch the subtlety. Two decades of framing this as a moral issue and not as a partisan one has not paid any meaningful dividends, says David Faris, a political science professor at Roosevelt University and author of Its Time to Fight Dirty: How Democrats Can Build a Lasting Majority in American Politics. So my question would be: Who are we pretending for? Faris and others envision a stiffer-spined Democratic Partyone that could see statehood as the partisan gift that it is, and gun the proposal through Congress and a Democratic White House at the next opportunity. There would be significant political risks, and Republicans would resist at every turn. (Ohio governor and 2016 Republican presidential candidate John Kasich warned that statehood would mean just more votes in the Democratic Party.) The effort would require Democrats to marshal uncharacteristic ruthlessness. The failure to prioritize D.C. statehood over the last administration is reflective of an overall problem of the Democratic Party, which is not focusing on how to build and develop power to push more the inclusive populist reforms our country needs, says Neil Sroka, communications director for Democracy for America, a political action committee started by Howard Dean. The reality is, if the shoe were on the other foot . . . theres not a doubt in my mind Republicans would have jammed statehood through decades ago.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/24/18 11:53:16 PM #2:	Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:905674721] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/24/18 11:57:51 PM #3:	no. the capital is not supposed to be a state. we did that on purpose long ago. it's not a mistake. it was by design <cite>Zikten posted [p:905674916] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>no. the capital is not supposed to be a state. we did that on purpose long ago. it's not a mistake. it was by design</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/24/18 11:57:55 PM #4:	Damn_Underscore posted... Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city. Two nigh-guaranteed democrat senators. That's why. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905674919] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city.</quote> Two nigh-guaranteed democrat senators. That's why.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/24/18 11:58:16 PM #5:	Damn_Underscore posted... Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city. In order to give its citizens - and there are more of them than people in Wyoming - representation in Congress. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905674936] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city.</quote> In order to give its citizens - and there are more of them than people in Wyoming - representation in Congress.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KILBOTz 07/24/18 11:58:26 PM #6:	Damn_Underscore posted... Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city. So the people can be represented by people they elected. --- https://imgur.com/O3syCWD https://imgur.com/k3YiBdG <cite>KILBOTz posted [p:905674945] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Why should it be a state? It's literally just a city.</quote> So the people can be represented by people they elected.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/24/18 11:58:45 PM #7:	Zikten posted... no. the capital is not supposed to be a state. we did that on purpose long ago. it's not a mistake. it was by design We did a lot of things on purpose long ago. Not all of them were good. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905674957] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>no. the capital is not supposed to be a state. we did that on purpose long ago. it's not a mistake. it was by design</quote> We did a lot of things on purpose long ago. Not all of them were good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/24/18 11:59:43 PM #8:	why do you think DC not being a state is bad? <cite>Zikten posted [p:905675008] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>why do you think DC not being a state is bad?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 07/25/18 12:01:39 AM #9:	I am not even sure if Democrats have ever owned all three branches of government. When was the last time the SCOTUS was democrat? Warren? Not even sure Warren was democrat, but I think he was the closest to the left. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:905675083] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>I am not even sure if Democrats have ever owned all three branches of government. When was the last time the SCOTUS was democrat? Warren? Not even sure Warren was democrat, but I think he was the closest to the left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 07/25/18 12:01:52 AM #10:	Just make Washington a city in Maryland and make the government area its own area --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:905675096] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>Just make Washington a city in Maryland and make the government area its own area</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/25/18 12:04:04 AM #11:	DC not being a state is something I have always respected about America. too many countries make their captial their biggest oldest city and that's wrong. We do it all over country actually. all the state capitals are never the big metro cities. that's on purpose and its for the same reason that DC is not a state. we should never change it because it would be a huge mistake. we are americans not europeans. we don't need to do what they do in europe <cite>Zikten posted [p:905675166] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>DC not being a state is something I have always respected about America. too many countries make their captial their biggest oldest city and that's wrong. We do it all over country actually. all the state capitals are never the big metro cities. that's on purpose and its for the same reason that DC is not a state. we should never change it because it would be a huge mistake. we are americans not europeans. we don't need to do what they do in europe</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/25/18 12:04:11 AM #12:	Zikten posted... why do you think DC not being a state is bad? Because it has no representation in congress, an entity which nonetheless has the ability to overturn and impede city laws --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905675170] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>why do you think DC not being a state is bad?</quote> Because it has no representation in congress, an entity which nonetheless has the ability to overturn and impede city laws</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:05:00 AM #13:	Damn_Underscore posted... Just make Washington a city in Maryland and make the government area its own area This. Contract the boundary to just the handful of capitol buildings and surrounding grounds, then absorb the rest into Maryland. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905675208] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>Just make Washington a city in Maryland and make the government area its own area</quote> This. Contract the boundary to just the handful of capitol buildings and surrounding grounds, then absorb the rest into Maryland.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 07/25/18 12:05:41 AM #14:	Literally taxation without representation. I feel like there was a war about this. --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:905675243] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>Literally taxation without representation. I feel like there was a war about this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 07/25/18 12:08:10 AM #15:	I don't even care if it becomes a state. It should still get representation as if it were a state. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:905675344] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>I don't even care if it becomes a state. It should still get representation as if it were a state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/25/18 12:10:18 AM #16:	Would you just do DC proper or would you want the entire Metropolitan area? That's like 6 million people instead which would put it in the top 20 population-wise. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:905675444] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>Would you just do DC proper or would you want the entire Metropolitan area? That's like 6 million people instead which would put it in the top 20 population-wise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:11:17 AM #17:	MorbidFaithless posted... Literally taxation without representation. I feel like there was a war about this. I don't understand the purpose of denying "outlying areas" a (voting) seat in the House anyway. Puerto Rico and the rest of the Caribbean territories should have a guy; Guam, American Samoa, and the handful of other Pacific islands should have a guy; and DC should have a guy. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905675491] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>Literally taxation without representation. I feel like there was a war about this.</quote> I don't understand the purpose of denying "outlying areas" a (voting) seat in the House anyway. Puerto Rico and the rest of the Caribbean territories should have a guy; Guam, American Samoa, and the handful of other Pacific islands should have a guy; and DC should have a guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bacon_Pancakes 07/25/18 12:11:41 AM #18:	MorbidFaithless posted... Literally taxation without representation. I feel like there was a war about this. Yeah, over a 10% tax on tea. Surprised people nowadays are even remotely ok with thef..taxes of any sort. <cite>Bacon_Pancakes posted [p:905675510] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>Literally taxation without representation. I feel like there was a war about this.</quote> Yeah, over a 10% tax on tea. Surprised people nowadays are even remotely ok with thef..taxes of any sort.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlephZero 07/25/18 12:12:50 AM #19:	breaking news democrats want two free senators --- "There is value in segregation." - qwertyman2002 01001100 01010101 01000101 00100000 00110100 00110000 00110010 <cite>AlephZero posted [p:905675554] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>breaking news democrats want two free senators</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 07/25/18 12:13:03 AM #20:	It's an interesting idea. I mean it makes sense to not have the capitol be a state in a union of states, but there are a ton of people who live there and don't have a voice in Congress. They could make D.C. proper be federal land and then the outlying "city" be a state? --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:905675562] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>It's an interesting idea. I mean it makes sense to not have the capitol be a state in a union of states, but there are a ton of people who live there and don't have a voice in Congress. They could make D.C. proper be federal land and then the outlying "city" be a state?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:14:34 AM #21:	Bio1590 posted... Would you just do DC proper or would you want the entire Metropolitan area? Uh... why? DC already has a boundary. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Washington%2C_D.C._locator_map.svg <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905675624] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>Would you just do DC proper or would you want the entire Metropolitan area?</quote> Uh... why? DC already has a boundary. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Washington%2C_D.C._locator_map.svg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Letron_James 07/25/18 12:16:20 AM #22:	Imagine if the next dem president combines North/South Carolinas and Dakotas while making D.C and Puerto Rico states --- Ask me if I would eat da booty. <cite>Letron_James posted [p:905675714] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote>Imagine if the next dem president combines North/South Carolinas and Dakotas while making D.C and Puerto Rico states</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 07/25/18 12:19:59 AM #23:	Questionmarktarius posted... Bio1590 posted... Would you just do DC proper or would you want the entire Metropolitan area? Uh... why? DC already has a boundary. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Washington%2C_D.C._locator_map.svg 6 million would get you even more Congress seats though, no? --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:905675878] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>Would you just do DC proper or would you want the entire Metropolitan area?</quote> Uh... why? DC already has a boundary. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/Washington%2C_D.C._locator_map.svg</quote> 6 million would get you even more Congress seats though, no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 12:20:32 AM #24:	Letron_James posted... Imagine if the next dem president combines North/South Carolinas and Dakotas while making D.C and Puerto Rico states We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/althistory/images/7/74/US_flag_with_57_stars_by_Hellerick.svg Bio1590 posted... 6 million would get you even more Congress seats though, no? Stealing bits from Maryland wouldn't matter in the red/blue calculus. Attempting to do so to Virginia would be a shitstorm. Or maybe not. Virginia has been "blue" since 2008. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905675904] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Letron_James posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if the next dem president combines North/South Carolinas and Dakotas while making D.C and Puerto Rico states</quote> We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/althistory/images/7/74/US_flag_with_57_stars_by_Hellerick.svg <cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>6 million would get you even more Congress seats though, no?</quote> Stealing bits from Maryland wouldn't matter in the red/blue calculus. Attempting to do so to Virginia would be a shitstorm. Or maybe not. Virginia has been "blue" since 2008.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/25/18 10:20:29 AM #25:	AlephZero posted... breaking news democrats want two free senators On the contrary, history and even prevent rhetoric suggests they don't. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905690600] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlephZero posted...</cite> <quote>breaking news democrats want two free senators</quote> On the contrary, history and even prevent rhetoric suggests they don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 07/25/18 10:22:39 AM #26:	Questionmarktarius posted... Letron_James posted... Imagine if the next dem president combines North/South Carolinas and Dakotas while making D.C and Puerto Rico states We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/althistory/images/7/74/US_flag_with_57_stars_by_Hellerick.svg Bio1590 posted... 6 million would get you even more Congress seats though, no? Stealing bits from Maryland wouldn't matter in the red/blue calculus. Attempting to do so to Virginia would be a shitstorm. Or maybe not. Virginia has been "blue" since 2008. Virginia being blue is in part because of the DC suburbs. If you take that to add to DC, suddenly fucking Corey Stewart is a senator. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:905690680] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Letron_James posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if the next dem president combines North/South Carolinas and Dakotas while making D.C and Puerto Rico states</quote> We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/althistory/images/7/74/US_flag_with_57_stars_by_Hellerick.svg <cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>6 million would get you even more Congress seats though, no?</quote> Stealing bits from Maryland wouldn't matter in the red/blue calculus. Attempting to do so to Virginia would be a shitstorm. Or maybe not. Virginia has been "blue" since 2008.</quote> Virginia being blue is in part because of the DC suburbs. If you take that to add to DC, suddenly fucking Corey Stewart is a senator.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 10:52:45 AM #28:	Antifar posted... Virginia being blue is in part because of the DC suburbs. If you take that to add to DC, suddenly fucking Corey Stewart is a senator. Huh. I suppose that's right. Still, there's no useful purpose in carving out any more bits of Maryland or Virginia than has already been carved out for the little square. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905691950] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Virginia being blue is in part because of the DC suburbs. If you take that to add to DC, suddenly fucking Corey Stewart is a senator.</quote> Huh. I suppose that's right. Still, there's no useful purpose in carving out any more bits of Maryland or Virginia than has already been carved out for the little square.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/25/18 2:10:52 PM #29:	Questionmarktarius posted... We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? why stop at DC we could make 25 californias and still have more population in each than north dakota, south dakota, montana, alaska, idaho, vermont, and rhode island --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:905701890] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? </quote> why stop at DC we could make 25 californias and still have more population in each than north dakota, south dakota, montana, alaska, idaho, vermont, and rhode island</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/25/18 2:12:07 PM #30:	Darkman124 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? why stop at DC we could make 25 californias and still have more population in each than north dakota, south dakota, montana, alaska, idaho, vermont, and rhode island Hyperbole or not, balkanization is not a "bad" thing. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905701954] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>We're gonna get Obama's "57 states" huh? </quote> why stop at DC we could make 25 californias and still have more population in each than north dakota, south dakota, montana, alaska, idaho, vermont, and rhode island</quote> Hyperbole or not, balkanization is not a "bad" thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/25/18 2:14:03 PM #31:	Questionmarktarius posted... Hyperbole or not, balkanization is not a "bad" thing. i have mixed feelings about it but yeah overall it really isn't. the senate was never meant to give so much power to so few voters. and states like CA and Texas, with so much economic power that they can literally rival their federal government, probably were not meant to exist. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:905702071] in Democrats ... [t:76839124]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Hyperbole or not, balkanization is not a "bad" thing. </quote> i have mixed feelings about it but yeah overall it really isn't. the senate was never meant to give so much power to so few voters. and states like CA and Texas, with so much economic power that they can literally rival their federal government, probably were not meant to exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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