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Doom_Art
07/10/18 9:58:56 AM
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And that a random street gang in the first place controlled towns in the US like some third world insurgent rebel force?
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 10:00:06 AM
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uhhh, no?
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Doom_Art
07/10/18 10:01:08 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
uhhh, no?

So then you agree Trump was lying
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solosnake
07/10/18 10:01:54 AM
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proof?
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Bio1590
07/10/18 10:02:20 AM
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TheoryzC
07/10/18 10:04:13 AM
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Probably another case of "what he really means is..."
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spudger
07/10/18 10:05:37 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
darkjedilink posted...
uhhh, no?

So then you agree Trump was lying

Got eeeem
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DifferentialEquation
07/10/18 10:11:00 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
And that a random street gang in the first place controlled towns in the US like some third world insurgent rebel force?


So since MS-13 doesn't control towns in the 100% literal sense of the word, we shouldn't go after them? Is that what you're saying? You do realize that they run human trafficking rings and hack people apart with machetes, right?

I like how liberals jump back and forth between "you don't how hard it is for kids growing up in bad neighborhoods, the gangs are so powerful there and the kids feel trapped and that joining a gang is their only option" and "Lol, MS-13 isn't a problem. Fuck Trump."
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 10:48:09 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
darkjedilink posted...
uhhh, no?

So then you agree Trump was lying

If he said that, yeah.

Have I ever said he wasn't?
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eston
07/10/18 10:50:17 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Doom_Art posted...
And that a random street gang in the first place controlled towns in the US like some third world insurgent rebel force?


So since MS-13 doesn't control towns in the 100% literal sense of the word, we shouldn't go after them? Is that what you're saying? You do realize that they run human trafficking rings and hack people apart with machetes, right?

I like how liberals jump back and forth between "you don't how hard it is for kids growing up in bad neighborhoods, the gangs are so powerful there and the kids feel trapped and that joining a gang is their only option" and "Lol, MS-13 isn't a problem. Fuck Trump."

TC is debunking a very specific claim made by The Donald, something he claims he saw personally
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gunplagirl
07/10/18 10:50:31 AM
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Well remember that time that Elton John had records and Trump broke them but not with his (Trump's) instruments because he has none but rather, his voice and we're doing really amazing things and breaking records?
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/10/18 10:51:38 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Doom_Art posted...
And that a random street gang in the first place controlled towns in the US like some third world insurgent rebel force?


So since MS-13 doesn't control towns in the 100% literal sense of the word, we shouldn't go after them? Is that what you're saying? You do realize that they run human trafficking rings and hack people apart with machetes, right?

I like how liberals jump back and forth between "you don't how hard it is for kids growing up in bad neighborhoods, the gangs are so powerful there and the kids feel trapped and that joining a gang is their only option" and "Lol, MS-13 isn't a problem. Fuck Trump."

ITT: only salvadoran gangs do this, there aren't droves of white gangs that are making heroin and trafficking humans right now
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Taharqa_
07/10/18 10:56:29 AM
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Trump does, but then again he's a moron so...
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DifferentialEquation
07/10/18 10:56:42 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Doom_Art posted...
And that a random street gang in the first place controlled towns in the US like some third world insurgent rebel force?


So since MS-13 doesn't control towns in the 100% literal sense of the word, we shouldn't go after them? Is that what you're saying? You do realize that they run human trafficking rings and hack people apart with machetes, right?

I like how liberals jump back and forth between "you don't how hard it is for kids growing up in bad neighborhoods, the gangs are so powerful there and the kids feel trapped and that joining a gang is their only option" and "Lol, MS-13 isn't a problem. Fuck Trump."

ITT: only salvadoran gangs do this, there aren't droves of white gangs that are making heroin and trafficking humans right now


There are white gangs that do horrible things. But no one is defending them the way that the left is siding with MS-13 over Trump.
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/10/18 11:05:52 AM
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I mean there probably people that do. You have to remember that a good number of Trump supporters don't have two brain cells to rub together and would believe anything he says.

It's scary how cultish it is.

He convinced people that have never seen a Mexican that they are gonna lose their jobs to Mexicans without his help.

He convinced a nation of immigrants who have a statue standing out in a harbor stating "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore send those the homeless tempest tossed to me." that all Muslims are evil and refugees should be turned away out of irrational fear of terrorism.

He convinced people that claim to be free market that trade wars are good.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/10/18 11:10:28 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
There are white gangs that do horrible things. But no one is defending them the way that the left is siding with MS-13 over Trump.

well it's really not so unreasonable to want to be sympathetic to gangs these days
a lot of people are enlightened to the fact that gang violence is not the problem, it's a symptom.

It's a symptom of a struggling economy and a world where people have no father figures or incomes, so they band together with people who can act as father figures and provide income

then these people are glamorized by the radio and television, and yeah sometimes that's a real issue too

if it weren't so blindingly obvious that trump is publicly targeting MS-13 just because they're brown, I'd totally be on Trump's side
but it all reeks of disingenuous bullshit
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DifferentialEquation
07/10/18 11:20:40 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
if it weren't so blindingly obvious that trump is publicly targeting MS-13 just because they're brown, I'd totally be on Trump's side
but it all reeks of disingenuous bullshit


But MS-13 are the ones that are being defended, which is why Trump speaks about them. No one is defending the Bloods or Crips or any of the neo nazi or white supremacists gangs, thankfully the whole country agrees that these gangs are terrible. But Trump has to double down against MS-13 because for some reason a big chunk of the left is overlooking all the terrible things they're doing.
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Webmaster4531
07/10/18 11:21:48 AM
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MS-13 committed the bowling green massacre.
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 11:24:40 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
if it weren't so blindingly obvious that trump is publicly targeting MS-13 just because they're brown, I'd totally be on Trump's side
but it all reeks of disingenuous bullshit

You really believe that the only reason Trump is going after a gang that routinely butchers people is because they're Hispanic?

Seriously?
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LastTomorrow
07/10/18 11:26:37 AM
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Are there people seriously defending MS-13?
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
07/10/18 11:34:34 AM
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LastTomorrow posted...
Are there people seriously defending MS-13?


No one has defended ms-13. No. Reading is hard though so I won't judge you too hard.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/10/18 11:42:06 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
You really believe that the only reason Trump is going after a gang that routinely butchers people is because they're Hispanic?

No
I think the reason he does it with such aplomb is because they're brown
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 11:47:18 AM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
LastTomorrow posted...
Are there people seriously defending MS-13?


No one has defended ms-13. No. Reading is hard though so I won't judge you too hard.

Except that California mayor who literally tipped off MS-13 gang members of the ICE raid targeting them.

And all those reporters and Democrats attacking Trump for attacking MS-13.

And that town that protested ICE arresting a bunch of MS-13 gang members involved in human sex trafficking.

And TC.

And @YOUHAVENOHOPE.

But other than that, yean, literally nobody defends MS-13.
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ThyCorndog
07/10/18 11:48:50 AM
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differentialequation is one of the most committed gimmicks on this site. props
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BruceWayneJr
07/10/18 11:52:19 AM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
I mean there probably people that do. You have to remember that a good number of Trump supporters don't have two brain cells to rub together and would believe anything he says.

It's scary how cultish it is.

He convinced people that have never seen a Mexican that they are gonna lose their jobs to Mexicans without his help.

He convinced a nation of immigrants who have a statue standing out in a harbor stating "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free. The wretched refuse of your teeming shore send those the homeless tempest tossed to me." that all Muslims are evil and refugees should be turned away out of irrational fear of terrorism.

He convinced people that claim to be free market that trade wars are good.


Don't give him too much credit. Right wing media, including Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and fringe freaks like Alex Jones has been priming their audiences to hate the immigrant taking jobs that they don't want and to love the businessman who doesn't want to pay a living wage. They've been conditioned to believe that all their problems are somehow the fault of a minority, and their radio reminds them throughout the day. Trump shamelessly took advantage of a lot of ignorant right wing shittiness that was already there.
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Peter_Giffyndor
07/10/18 11:52:25 AM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You really believe that the only reason Trump is going after a gang that routinely butchers people is because they're Hispanic?

No
I think the reason he does it with such aplomb is because they're brown


Or, crazy thought, maybe we have a president now who thinks there shouldn't be huge nation wide drug/trafficking/murder gangs with a foothold in a first world country?

Nah, he's racist
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Heineken14
07/10/18 11:55:49 AM
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TheoryzC posted...
Probably another case of "what he really means is..."


"I like Donnie because he tells it like it is.... but what he REALLY meant was..... "
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DifferentialEquation
07/10/18 11:57:42 AM
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darkjedilink posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
LastTomorrow posted...
Are there people seriously defending MS-13?


No one has defended ms-13. No. Reading is hard though so I won't judge you too hard.

Except that California mayor who literally tipped off MS-13 gang members of the ICE raid targeting them.

And all those reporters and Democrats attacking Trump for attacking MS-13.

And that town that protested ICE arresting a bunch of MS-13 gang members involved in human sex trafficking.

And TC.

And @YOUHAVENOHOPE.

But other than that, yean, literally nobody defends MS-13.


All of this. Liberals are crying that Trump is just going after MS-13 because he's a racist which is bullshit.

There are other gangs in this country that are predominantly hispanic or black. Trump hasn't said anything about these gangs because no one is defending them or trying to help them, so there's no need for him to speak up. So the whole "wwaahhh! Trump just doesn't like brown people" argument is bullshit.

A large poriton of the left has decided to ally themselves with a very dangerous and deadly gang because of their identity politics. That's why they're getting Trump's attention.
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Heineken14
07/10/18 11:57:51 AM
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Webmaster4531 posted...
MS-13 committed the bowling green massacre.


#NeverForget!
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ThyCorndog
07/10/18 11:58:08 AM
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I survived the bowling green massacre
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Webmaster4531
07/10/18 12:13:41 PM
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ThyCorndog posted...
I survived the bowling green massacre

#FakeNews no one survived bowling green.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/10/18 12:15:52 PM
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Peter_Giffyndor posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You really believe that the only reason Trump is going after a gang that routinely butchers people is because they're Hispanic?

No
I think the reason he does it with such aplomb is because they're brown


Or, crazy thought, maybe we have a president now who thinks there shouldn't be huge nation wide drug/trafficking/murder gangs with a foothold in a first world country?

Nah, he's racist

you're not arguing with anybody here
i've never denied that they're bad
and i never said trump going after them was so bad

but i said he's only doing it so publicly because they're brown
why doesn't he also advertise that he's cleaning up white nationalist heroin gangs
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Bishop9800
07/10/18 12:19:57 PM
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darkjedilink posted...

Except that California mayor who literally tipped off MS-13 gang members of the ICE raid targeting them.


She didn't "tip off" MS-13 gang members. She warned immergrets about a raid. That's it.
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DifferentialEquation
07/10/18 12:25:36 PM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
why doesn't he also advertise that he's cleaning up white nationalist heroin gangs


Again, no one is defending these gangs. Both the left and right agree that white nationalist gangs are terrible people and no one is standing up for them.

People on the left are actually standing up for MS-13 which is why Trump has to speak out against them repeatedly.
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Lordgold666
07/10/18 12:28:46 PM
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Where are all the gangs even getting h from anyways??
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/10/18 12:33:00 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
People on the left are actually standing up for MS-13 which is why Trump has to speak out against them repeatedly.

Trump is the one with the bully pulpit

People wouldn't be talking about them if he weren't bringing them up so boisterously
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Bio1590
07/10/18 12:34:13 PM
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Man it's actually crazy how much people are stretching the phrase "standing up for" here.
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Heineken14
07/10/18 1:06:00 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Man it's actually crazy how much people are stretching the phrase "standing up for" here.


If you don't say you want them nuked anytime the letters MS-13 are even close to each other in a sentence, then you are obviously pro-MS-13 and stand up for everything they believe.

Meanwhile, literally saying there are some "fine people" on the side of a march full of people who say they are Nazis, wear Nazi symbols, and chant Nazi slogans.... meh, not ALL of them were Nazis!
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DifferentialEquation
07/10/18 1:21:29 PM
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Heineken14 posted...
Meanwhile, literally saying there are some "fine people" on the side of a march full of people who say they are Nazis, wear Nazi symbols, and chant Nazi slogans.... meh, not ALL of them were Nazis!


There were lots of people at that rally. There were white supremacists, neo nazis, antifa, BLM and then there were people unaffiliated with any group. When Trump said "fine people on both sides" the "both sides" he was referring to were people not affiliated with any such groups... just the average, every day people who were having a civilized debate on whether or not the statues should be classified as important historical artifacts and thus stay up. Trump harshly condemned the actual white supremacists and neo nazis just as any other president would have.
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darkjedilink
07/10/18 1:30:52 PM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Peter_Giffyndor posted...
YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You really believe that the only reason Trump is going after a gang that routinely butchers people is because they're Hispanic?

No
I think the reason he does it with such aplomb is because they're brown


Or, crazy thought, maybe we have a president now who thinks there shouldn't be huge nation wide drug/trafficking/murder gangs with a foothold in a first world country?

Nah, he's racist

you're not arguing with anybody here
i've never denied that they're bad
and i never said trump going after them was so bad

but i said he's only doing it so publicly because they're brown
why doesn't he also advertise that he's cleaning up white nationalist heroin gangs

You literally said he's only going after them cuz racizms.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/10/18 11:00:12 PM
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darkjedilink posted...
You literally said he's only going after them cuz racizms.

holy shit are you able to read
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Bio1590
07/10/18 11:37:12 PM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
darkjedilink posted...
You literally said he's only going after them cuz racizms.

holy shit are you able to read

No, he's not. All he posts is outlandish shit no one actually thinks or agrees with and pulls literal fake news from his own asshole.
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